When will this shit end?

[Leyrulion]

2 hours ago, zahidf said:

Gahhh.... 

 

Fuck me. Seeing it in black and white that it might be illegal to meet your mates until April is depressing. 

One thing I've been thinking about recently is just how long it takes from vaccination through to protection and seeing that in the data. So even at the point where all over 50s are vaccinated there's a gap of more than 4 weeks before seeing it in the data. 

[Leyrulion]

2 hours ago, xxialac said:

*THIS* is the key to controlled mass events like festivals re-opening.

For festivals it's perfect.

The cost of the event is already high so the extra test cost can be built into the pricing model.

It's quick.

It's reliable.

Some festivals in 2021 should now go ahead.

I dunno I'll believe it when I'm half cut in the queue worrying about my test.

We've been here before with operation moonshot last year that never actually happened and those rapid tests from China which turned out to be junk.

[xxialac]

1 hour ago, aj6658 said:

Think the issue for something like this is the accuracy. Say you got Glastonbury tickets and you get to the festival and they deny you. That would be worse than not getting a ticket. At that point, Glastonbury are out of pocket, you're out of pocket. 

 

I personally think that once everyone is 2 jabbed up we should need them but for the interim its fine.

Both customer and festival wouldn’t both be out of pocket in your example.

And what’s being overlooked here is that positivity rate by the summer should be extremely low.

Very few people will test positive on a given day but that’s just the random luck of the draw that is life.

[WestCountryGirl]

6 hours ago, Leyrulion said:

Fuck me. Seeing it in black and white that it might be illegal to meet your mates until April is depressing. 

Yeah, I already knew that indoor visits/overnight stays aren't going to make an appearance for a long while but seeing the rate this is going at is honestly making me quite despondent.

I remember when Christmas got cancelled and people like myself had to make a decision whether or not to go ahead with seeing family for the first time in months, or not. A lot of people here were touting that we'd only "have to wait a few more weeks", "a little bit longer" until such family visits would be properly allowed again anyway.

Well, I didn't see my parents at Christmas. I haven't seen my parents since August 9th. If we had known we would be no closer to being allowed to see each other in April ... well, we might have done Christmas differently. Or probably not, because the whole way through we've been trying to do "the right thing". Well it's sure as fuck not the right thing for us. 

I guess we can once again look forward to both travelling to Gloucester Services to enjoy a picnic for a few hours and then each driving 3 hours back home again. That's the real, quality family time that has sustained me throughout my life, right there.

[El Matador]

6 hours ago, efcfanwirral said:

Not a chance- they might aim for that but realistically will there be indoor events in winter? Id be very surprised 

If there aren't indoor events this winter then when will there be indoor events again? Every adult that wants the vaccine will have had both doses. No reason to delay getting on with normal life. 

[zahidf]

7 minutes ago, WestCountryGirl said:

Yeah, I already knew that indoor visits/overnight stays aren't going to make an appearance for a long while but seeing the rate this is going at is honestly making me quite despondent.

I remember when Christmas got cancelled and people like myself had to make a decision whether or not to go ahead with seeing family for the first time in months, or not. A lot of people here were touting that we'd only "have to wait a few more weeks", "a little bit longer" until such family visits would be properly allowed again anyway.

Well, I didn't see my parents at Christmas. I haven't seen my parents since August 9th. If we had known we would be no closer to being allowed to see each other in April ... well, we might have done Christmas differently. Or probably not, because the whole way through we've been trying to do "the right thing". Well it's sure as fuck not the right thing for us. 

I guess we can once again look forward to both travelling to Gloucester Services to enjoy a picnic for a few hours and then each driving 3 hours back home again. That's the real, quality family time that has sustained me throughout my life, right there.

That's the problem once people accept lockdowns: always pressure for 'a few weeks more, just to be sure". Next excuse will be "it's winter now, sorry, got to sure, stay locked in a few more months more '.

 

Once they've been vaccinated, I'm seeing friends/family. Don't give a crap myself about unenforceable rules myself. Social distancing can get in the bin where it belongs. 

[zahidf]

Just now, El Matador said:

If there aren't indoor events this winter then when will there be indoor events again? Every adult that wants the vaccine will have had both doses. No reason to delay getting on with normal life. 

Yeah strange how the goalposts have been moved again.

It's the same reason we don't ban smoking or alcohol: post vaccine roll out, the risks should be minimal and up to the an individual risk assessment.

[eFestivals]

24 minutes ago, El Matador said:

If there aren't indoor events this winter then when will there be indoor events again?

my guess is that the govt will at least trial all situations - so including indoor gigs - before the end of the summer.

That will give some data on transmission risks going into the more-risky winter, so that what's safe can happen and what's not safe can't.

[Ozanne]

Covid-19: Care home residents in England to be allowed one regular visitor https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-56133291

[zahidf]

9 minutes ago, eFestivals said:

my guess is that the govt will at least trial all situations - so including indoor gigs - before the end of the summer.

That will give some data on transmission risks going into the more-risky winter, so that what's safe can happen and what's not safe can't.

Theatre was trialled last June (I was there at the palladium!)

There are trials at the 100 club and another place for gigs in March as far as I know

[eFestivals]

1 minute ago, zahidf said:

Theatre was trialled last June (I was there at the palladium!)

they were masked and socially distanced tho weren't they?

But also, we need new trials now people are vaccinated.

Edited February 20, 2021 by eFestivals

[mcshed]

32 minutes ago, zahidf said:

That's the problem once people accept lockdowns: always pressure for 'a few weeks more, just to be sure". Next excuse will be "it's winter now, sorry, got to sure, stay locked in a few more months more '.

To be fair the reverse of this is also true, whatever state we are in, locked down or not, has a degree of inertia ensuring that we stay in that state for longer than we should. 

[zahidf]

32 minutes ago, eFestivals said:

they were masked and socially distanced tho weren't they?

But also, we need new trials now people are vaccinated.

I think the trials in the theatres went well, so not sure they'd need another one for that aspect (especially as I think they'd keep masks in the seats as a policy anyway)

Heres the gig trials, with 25% capacity 

 

https://www.nme.com/news/music/uk-music-venues-to-trial-health-passports-covid-coronavirus-you-check-2872710

[Fuzzy Afro]

What’s even the point in having the fastest vaccination programme of any large nation in the world if we are going with the snail’s pace reopening that’s going to criminalise indoor socialising for another 3 or 4 months? There is literally zero benefit of a fast vaccination programme if that isn’t converted into a reopening of society. 

[st dan]

5 minutes ago, Fuzzy Afro said:

What’s even the point in having the fastest vaccination programme of any large nation in the world if we are going with the snail’s pace reopening that’s going to criminalise indoor socialising for another 3 or 4 months? There is literally zero benefit of a fast vaccination programme if that isn’t converted into a reopening of society. 

Agreed - we’re basically being ‘punished’ for good compliance with previous lockdowns. If we’d kicked up a fuss like most countries have, then they’d have been forced into relaxing them sooner. 

[eFestivals]

9 minutes ago, Fuzzy Afro said:

There is literally zero benefit of a fast vaccination programme if that isn’t converted into a reopening of society. 

well, apart from the un-dead of course.

😛 

[jparx]

I’ve been very pro-lockdown, but I have to say even I think April until we can even mix with ONE household outdoors isn’t good enough for this roadmap. I really thought the Tories would move quickly with this given the success of vaccinations, and I’m really quite surprised we’re going this slowly.

I felt sure March 8th would be schools and limited outdoor socialising. To push the outdoor socialising back another month is a massive kick in the bollocks, especially since I can almost guarantee my work will want us back in before then.

It’s also hilarious to me how the sycophants at the Sun are painting this as great news, that Boris is doing us a real favour by allowing us to socialise outdoors in limited capacity in a month and a half, when I’d suggest most of the country are expecting that date to be sooner.

[March Hare]

8 minutes ago, st dan said:

Agreed - we’re basically being ‘punished’ for good compliance with previous lockdowns. If we’d kicked up a fuss like most countries have, then they’d have been forced into relaxing them sooner. 

It’s not too late. Join one of the lockdown protests

[RobertProsineckisLighter]

9 minutes ago, jparx said:

 

 

9 minutes ago, jparx said:

I’ve been very pro-lockdown, but I have to say even I think April until we can even mix with ONE household outdoors isn’t good enough for this roadmap. I really thought the Tories would move quickly with this given the success of vaccinations, and I’m really quite surprised we’re going this slowly.

I felt sure March 8th would be schools and limited outdoor socialising. To push the outdoor socialising back another month is a massive kick in the bollocks, especially since I can almost guarantee my work will want us back in before then.

It’s also hilarious to me how the sycophants at the Sun are painting this as great news, that Boris is doing us a real favour by allowing us to socialise outdoors in limited capacity in a month and a half, when I’d suggest most of the country are expecting that date to be sooner.

My worry with the going so slow approach is that the closer to autumn / winter you get and any loosening of restrictions then is:

How do you know what the cause of any potential case rise is. The relaxation of rules, or a seasonal fluctuation of the virus. 

Edited February 20, 2021 by RobertProsineckisLighter

[DeanoL]

10 hours ago, BobWillis said:

If that leak is true then we’re going to be in tier 4 (minus outdoor sport) in April even with all over 50’s offered a vaccine?! Diabolical. 
 

Do the government not realise that this will lead to a lot of people saying “fuck this” and to start meeting their family and friends anyway, potentially indoors. They need to be reasonable and give people covid secure places to meet up. 

I mean, maybe they do? Maybe the official rules are to open up really slow because they expect a massive drop off in compliance regardless. Plenty of people even on here have said they won’t follow any rules regardless once the vulnerable are jabbed. Maybe they are accounting for that so keeping the rules relatively strict in order to have some handle on it when a good proportion of people stop following them.

[eFestivals]

Just now, DeanoL said:

I mean, maybe they do? Maybe the official rules are to open up really slow because they expect a massive drop off in compliance regardless. Plenty of people even on here have said they won’t follow any rules regardless once the vulnerable are jabbed. Maybe they are accounting for that so keeping the rules relatively strict in order to have some handle on it when a good proportion of people stop following them.

I think they need to open up a bit slower this time because of schools going back, the fact we're still in winter and not spring/summer, and because the lower the virus rate is when lockdown ends, the better chance we have of keeping it low. It's unlikely to go down after things open up again.

[JoeyT]

10 minutes ago, jparx said:

I’ve been very pro-lockdown, but I have to say even I think April until we can even mix with ONE household outdoors isn’t good enough for this roadmap. I really thought the Tories would move quickly with this given the success of vaccinations, and I’m really quite surprised we’re going this slowly.

I felt sure March 8th would be schools and limited outdoor socialising. To push the outdoor socialising back another month is a massive kick in the bollocks, especially since I can almost guarantee my work will want us back in before then.

It’s also hilarious to me how the sycophants at the Sun are painting this as great news, that Boris is doing us a real favour by allowing us to socialise outdoors in limited capacity in a month and a half, when I’d suggest most of the country are expecting that date to be sooner.

I get the need to strike the right balance but by being too careful the government are only going to end up alienating everyone to a point where they break rules to an extreme extent.

Surely by giving a bit more than it looks like they may it would actually result in more compliance and in the end be safer?

[jparx]

I’ve followed the rules to the letter over the last year, but there’s a good chance my parents and grandparents will have had the jab, and a good three gap for it to kick in before Easter. If cases are so low, which they should be really, I’ll really struggle to see the incentive behind not just having a big roast dinner together indoors. 

If this is the plan, they need to explain very clearly and specifically why they’re essentially extending the national lockdown for another month and massively kicking the can down the road.

[eFestivals]

I see the Tory Death Squad Covid Recovery Group could do some recruiting ... 😛

[jparx]

1 minute ago, JoeyT said:

I get the need to strike the right balance but by being too careful the government are only going to end up alienating everyone to a point where they break rules to an extreme extent.

Surely by giving a bit more than it looks like they may it would actually result in more compliance and in the end be safer?

Indeed.

Both my neighbours on either side have not followed this lockdown at all. People coming and going, no loud parties or anything but it’s fairly obvious they’ve had parents over, other family etc. The big issue the govt will have with this is people like me who has followed the rules while those around me haven’t - my patience is utterly drained and I’m starting to feel like a total sucker for playing by the rules. Easter is simply too far away for even the most restricted of socialising.