When will this shit end?

[waltere]

4 hours ago, DeanoL said:

What jobs won't be viable by October if all restrictions are lifted at that point and everyone has been jabbed?

I'm not saying it won't be viable by October per se, but I think the theatre industry could well take a long time to get properly going again. Not so much in the West End, where the big, long-running musicals should be able to up and start again as soon as they're able, but smaller and regional theatres are reliant on touring shows, which take a lot of organisation, logistics, pre-planning etc. which are far harder/less likely to have been undertaken during the last year or so, especially with almost no certainty around an end date.

[zahidf]

Gahhh.... 

 

[hodgey123]

22 minutes ago, zahidf said:

Usual tabloid leaks. with the thrilling prospect (according to The Sun) of being able at some point next March to visit the three remaining clothes retailers, so as to buy a lovely new outfit to sit in at home. Followed by meeting with one other household outside at Easter. I'm practically wetting myself with excitement.

Meanwhile, apparently overnight stays are off until June (if we're lucky - the Government will probably stall and string the suffering out beyond that.) Pubs by September? Any interesting cultural event April 2022?

and let's have ebery single child back in school and licking each others faces. What could go wrong?

Really does sum up what is likely to be a very disappointing announcement for a lot of us. Meeting one household outside when it’s still constantly raining. Great!

[zahidf]

23 minutes ago, hodgey123 said:

Really does sum up what is likely to be a very disappointing announcement for a lot of us. Meeting one household outside when it’s still constantly raining. Great!

I agree with this. Being too cautious now. It's ridiculous 

All sense of "not one second longer than necessary" has melted away to "well probably just keep doing something like that for a while becuase it'll help". 

After the over 50s are done, the negatives of lockdown outweigh the positives IMO. We should be looking to reopen a lot faster.

Edited February 19, 2021 by zahidf

[hodgey123]

Will the data informing the roadmap be made available? You would think so, but it may lead to questions if the government are still very cautious in spite of last night’s leaks re 2/3 transmission cuts after a single dose if true.

[Ryan1984]

28 minutes ago, hodgey123 said:

Really does sum up what is likely to be a very disappointing announcement for a lot of us. Meeting one household outside when it’s still constantly raining. Great!

Is it possible they’re underplaying the plans in all these leaks?
Spaffer likes nothing more than being popular and to show up on Monday with better news than most are expecting would put a spring in his step - and a bounce in the polls.

[DeanoL]

30 minutes ago, waltere said:

I'm not saying it won't be viable by October per se, but I think the theatre industry could well take a long time to get properly going again. Not so much in the West End, where the big, long-running musicals should be able to up and start again as soon as they're able, but smaller and regional theatres are reliant on touring shows, which take a lot of organisation, logistics, pre-planning etc. which are far harder/less likely to have been undertaken during the last year or so, especially with almost no certainty around an end date.

There’s some truth in that but equally there will be summer to start getting stuff together, plus all the cancelled shows from last year that are ready to go, plus you have stand-ups, smaller bands and smaller 1/2 person plays that don’t need that level of production, all competing for slots. Almost every comic I know has written a new show in lockdown and wants to go tour it. 
Actually think the west end may struggle more as it relies so much on completely selling out shows and does that with lots of foreign tourism and people on business trips, which won’t be happening half as much now people are seeing it’s not necessary.

[steviewevie]

So, govt not going to make a final decision before Monday and until they have got all the data, meanwhile briefing their newpaper mates all week.

[hodgey123]

6 minutes ago, Ryan1984 said:

Is it possible they’re underplaying the plans in all these leaks?
Spaffer likes nothing more than being popular and to show up on Monday with better news than most are expecting would put a spring in his step - and a bounce in the polls.

Think that is quite optimistic but let’s hope. Would be strange to actively brief newspapers with different information all week though. 

[stuartbert two hats]

7 minutes ago, steviewevie said:

So, govt not going to make a final decision before Monday and until they have got all the data, meanwhile briefing their newpaper mates all week.

Well, they're not making any final decisions apart from the very first relaxations. That's why it looks like they're doing it right this time.

[Guest]

14 minutes ago, Ryan1984 said:

Is it possible they’re underplaying the plans in all these leaks?
Spaffer likes nothing more than being popular and to show up on Monday with better news than most are expecting would put a spring in his step - and a bounce in the polls.

I don’t think so, as we get closer to Monday the leaks will become more like the real thing. The leaks are increasingly showing a cautious approach which is the right one, we want to make sure we stay out of lockdown once we come out of it and never have to go back into one. 

[stuartbert two hats]

Of course, following the data means that if hospitalisations fall off a cliff by the end of March, then we can probably open up more quickly. If not, it could take as long as some of the more pessimistic scenarios. We won't do anything "just in case". We hopefully will follow the data.

[BobWillis]

Based on the latest data March 8th should be tier 3. Anything else is far too cautious. 

[Guest]

1 minute ago, stuartbert two hats said:

Of course, following the data means that if hospitalisations fall off a cliff by the end of March, then we can probably open up more quickly. If not, it could take as long as some of the more pessimistic scenarios. We won't do anything "just in case". We hopefully will follow the data.

It will probably be a mixture of different data points not just cases for example. I can’t see them publishing a roadmap and speeding it up just because of the risks that would involve politically. But if they set out a firm schedule then people can start to plan and have some things to look forward to. If these leaks are true then the government are taking the right approach. 

[BobWillis]

If that leak is true then we’re going to be in tier 4 (minus outdoor sport) in April even with all over 50’s offered a vaccine?! Diabolical. 
 

Do the government not realise that this will lead to a lot of people saying “fuck this” and to start meeting their family and friends anyway, potentially indoors. They need to be reasonable and give people covid secure places to meet up. 

[Gilgamesh69]

... don't you folks have anything better to do on a Friday night? ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)

[stuartbert two hats]

2 minutes ago, Gilgamesh69 said:

... don't you folks have anything better to do on a Friday night? ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)

No, there's a national lockdown. I have nothing to do. 😆

[Fuzzy Afro]

3 minutes ago, Gilgamesh69 said:

... don't you folks have anything better to do on a Friday night? ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)

No, the pubs are closed

[Fuzzy Afro]

The idea that it will be a criminal offense to visit my partner even beyond the date when it looks like all over-40's will be vaccinated is a genuine disgrace. If they truly want to keep it to outdoor mixing for the time being could they not at least let non-cohabiting couples form support bubbles?

[waltere]

33 minutes ago, DeanoL said:

There’s some truth in that but equally there will be summer to start getting stuff together, plus all the cancelled shows from last year that are ready to go, plus you have stand-ups, smaller bands and smaller 1/2 person plays that don’t need that level of production, all competing for slots. Almost every comic I know has written a new show in lockdown and wants to go tour it. 
Actually think the west end may struggle more as it relies so much on completely selling out shows and does that with lots of foreign tourism and people on business trips, which won’t be happening half as much now people are seeing it’s not necessary.

Yeah these are all valid points. I may be being slightly skewed by the fact that the manager of where I work (large 'traditional' theatre in London but not West End) said in his latest e-mail to staff that even if things reopen then the calendar for the rest of the year is still currently empty. Also I mentioned the West End more for the fact that the technical setups etc. are still, presumably, in situations and ready to go, rather than the financial aspect of it.

[Mellotr0n]

5 hours ago, SwedgeAntilles said:

Reminds me of one of my favourite bits in Spaced 

"I had to dress as an elderly Israeli woman once" 

"Really?" 

"I didn't have to" 

Such a good line. 

[Ryan1984]

12 minutes ago, waltere said:

Yeah these are all valid points. I may be being slightly skewed by the fact that the manager of where I work (large 'traditional' theatre in London but not West End) said in his latest e-mail to staff that even if things reopen then the calendar for the rest of the year is still currently empty. Also I mentioned the West End more for the fact that the technical setups etc. are still, presumably, in situations and ready to go, rather than the financial aspect of it.

I wonder if a lot of theatres will go slowly at first but then all out for panto season. A risky approach...

[Mellotr0n]

6 minutes ago, Ryan1984 said:

I wonder if a lot of theatres will go slowly at first but then all out for panto season. A risky approach...

Oh no it’s not!!

 

 

(You gave me literally no choice).

Edited February 19, 2021 by Mellotr0n

[efcfanwirral]

49 minutes ago, Ryan1984 said:

I wonder if a lot of theatres will go slowly at first but then all out for panto season. A risky approach...

Not a chance- they might aim for that but realistically will there be indoor events in winter? Id be very surprised 

[aj6658]

2 hours ago, xxialac said:

*THIS* is the key to controlled mass events like festivals re-opening.

For festivals it's perfect.

The cost of the event is already high so the extra test cost can be built into the pricing model.

It's quick.

It's reliable.

Some festivals in 2021 should now go ahead.

Think the issue for something like this is the accuracy. Say you got Glastonbury tickets and you get to the festival and they deny you. That would be worse than not getting a ticket. At that point, Glastonbury are out of pocket, you're out of pocket. 

 

I personally think that once everyone is 2 jabbed up we should need them but for the interim its fine.