When will this shit end?

[Matt42]

1 minute ago, eFestivals said:

and if there is, Spaffer can say he was always cautious and his plan been a great success.

At this point who cares. Hopefully I won’t be jinxing it - but it feels like for the first time we are actually getting out of this. It’s been such a long wait.

Yes it may be the case that we become a vaccinated island, and we can’t exactly go around the world. But I’m a guy in his 20s who desperately misses friends and family, wants to make up for lost time where I can. It’s hard not to get excited.

[st dan]

3 minutes ago, Barry Fish said:

Bingo!  3 weeks / 5 weeks...  I don't think it makes a huge difference in the grand scale of our lives.

If the delay isn’t going to actually make much difference in preventing further hospitalisations and deaths, then I would rather prefer to have a month and half of my life back please. 
If 5 weeks is needed then that’s fine, but it would be good to know the exact reasons behind that timeframe. 

Edited February 22, 2021 by st dan

[Fuzzy Afro]

Given how much Spaffer U-turned on Christmas when the data was bad, let’s hope he u-turns on this when the data is good 

[st dan]

3 minutes ago, Fuzzy Afro said:

Given how much Spaffer U-turned on Christmas when the data was bad, let’s hope he u-turns on this when the data is good 

Yep, hopefully he had sight of this study from Scotland before his roadmap was set in stone. Assuming they were waiting on something more closer to home than Israel before getting too carried away with the success of the vaccines. 

Edited February 22, 2021 by st dan

[Chapple12345]

41 minutes ago, zahidf said:

Pfizer and AZ vaccines reduce hospital admissions by 85% and 94%, study suggests

The Covid vaccination programme has been linked to a substantial reduction in hospital admissions, PA Media is reporting. The PA story goes on:

Researchers examined coronavirus hospital admissions in Scotland among people who have had their first jab and compared them with those who had not yet received a dose of the vaccine.

Scientists from the University of Edinburgh, the University of Strathclyde and Public Health Scotland examined data on people who had received either the Pfizer/BioNTech jab or the one developed by experts at the University of Oxford with AstraZeneca.

By the fourth week after receiving the initial dose, the Pfizer and Oxford/AstraZeneca vaccines were shown to reduce the risk of hospital admission from Covid-19 by up to 85% and 94%, respectively, they found.

I really don't think people are ready for just how drastically the situation is going to improve in the next 2 months, not complete normality but something more positive we havent seen in well over a year now 

[tigger123]

3 minutes ago, Fuzzy Afro said:

Given how much Spaffer U-turned on Christmas when the data was bad, let’s hope he u-turns on this when the data is good 

I think given the upcoming elections, u-turning to a more positive timeline could be seen as a vote winner by the tories so wouldn’t be surprised if this turns out to be the case

[ace56blaa]

Maybe they are taking soo long to open up because they don't want younger people gathering in pubs etc before they're vaccinated. 

 

[ShakeyCrash]

Everyone get's that calling everything a U-turn is counter productive and more likely to have the opposite effect right?  If they release a plan now and people are expecting nothing to change between now and 20 weeks time then that's a tad unreasonable.  It's not thundercats!

[Homer]

14 minutes ago, Barry Fish said:

Bingo! 

 

[Toilet Duck]

10 minutes ago, Fuzzy Afro said:

Macron and the EU in absolute ruins. You love to see it. 

The EU is more than France and Germany though! (Agree they are being idiots about this)...Ireland got 36,000 doses of AZ last Monday (our first shipment), by Thursday 28,000+ were in arms and the rest were done between then and Sunday. Next shipment arrived over the weekend and will be administered this week. Not a single dose left sitting around looking for someone to take it. So, we're not all stupid! (we're doing the 12 week gap with AZ too, though it is being given to under 65s preferentially for the moment while over 65s are getting Pfizer/Moderna (we have more of that anyway)...but guidance is give whatever you have rather than none). Honestly, if Germany and France don't want the AZ doses they have received, we'll gladly take them! We'd be done by summer!

[Matt42]

I’m just worried I’m going to become a bloody huge lockdown sceptic in the following weeks 😕 

[steviewevie]

6 minutes ago, Barry Fish said:

Just for once its nice we seem to have got something right - actually pretty much everything right in terms of the vaccines.  I think its safe to pat ourselves on the back for once.

ok...I will...even though I made fuck all contribution to it.

[steviewevie]

20 minutes ago, Fuzzy Afro said:

Given how much Spaffer U-turned on Christmas when the data was bad, let’s hope he u-turns on this when the data is good 

if he's now following data not dates then things might open up quicker...but I think they'll be sticking to the slow start after schools go back.

[Guest]

2 minutes ago, steviewevie said:

ok...I will...even though I made fuck all contribution to it.

We’ve all made a contribution in a way, by staying at home etc. So I agree give yourself a pat on the back. 

[JoeyT]

6 minutes ago, Matt42 said:

I’m just worried I’m going to become a bloody huge lockdown sceptic in the following weeks 😕 

[steviewevie]

6 minutes ago, Matt42 said:

I’m just worried I’m going to become a bloody huge lockdown sceptic in the following weeks 😕 

you might have a frustrating few months ahead of you. Maybe you could go on one of the Icke/Corbyn anti-lockdown protests that are bound to start now the weather is improving.

[zahidf]

yup

 

 

 

 

 

 

[BobWillis]

I’m so excited, I can’t wait until 2 weeks time when I go for a walk with a friend and this time we’re legally allowed to stop and sit down. 

[zahidf]

1 minute ago, steviewevie said:

you might have a frustrating few months ahead of you. Maybe you could go on one of the Icke/Corbyn anti-lockdown protests that are bound to start now the weather is improving.

Or, just meet up with your mates if you think the govt are being over cautious

[steviewevie]

The four conditions that must be met at each phase of lockdown easing are:

1. The coronavirus vaccine programme continues to go to plan
2. Evidence shows vaccines are sufficiently reducing the number of people dying with the virus or needing hospital treatment
3. Infection rates do not risk a surge in hospital admissions
4. New variants of the virus do not fundamentally change the risk of lifting restrictions

[steviewevie]

2 minutes ago, zahidf said:

Or, just meet up with your mates if you think the govt are being over cautious

telling boris.

[st dan]

2 minutes ago, steviewevie said:

The four conditions that must be met at each phase of lockdown easing are:

1. The coronavirus vaccine programme continues to go to plan
2. Evidence shows vaccines are sufficiently reducing the number of people dying with the virus or needing hospital treatment
3. Infection rates do not risk a surge in hospital admissions
4. New variants of the virus do not fundamentally change the risk of lifting restrictions

1-3 looked nailed on and shouldn’t be a concern at all. The worry is 4 I guess, but hopefully won’t cause too much of an issue. 

[Zoo Music Girl]

I think I'm in the minority here that is feeling pretty positive with these announcements. I can see the end ahead of us and after the last few months personally I'm happy to go slowly to get there. 

[zahidf]

3 minutes ago, steviewevie said:

The four conditions that must be met at each phase of lockdown easing are:

1. The coronavirus vaccine programme continues to go to plan
2. Evidence shows vaccines are sufficiently reducing the number of people dying with the virus or needing hospital treatment
3. Infection rates do not risk a surge in hospital admissions
4. New variants of the virus do not fundamentally change the risk of lifting restrictions

So number 3.... that reads to me that if infections increasing doesn't lead to hospitalisation, they'll ignore it

[zahidf]

Just now, Zoo Music Girl said:

I think I'm in the minority here that is feeling pretty positive with these announcements. I can see the end ahead of us and after the last few months personally I'm happy to go slowly to get there. 

Its positive overall. I think I'm just frustrated that its too slow given the news on effectiveness of the vaccine. But lets see what happens in a month