When will this shit end?

[WestCountryGirl]

5 minutes ago, RobertProsineckisLighter said:

Parents been jabbed this morning both different types. My mum got Oxford/Az because she's allergic to penicillin. 

Oh, that's interesting to know as someone who is allergic to penicillin herself. I sat in on a big open-meetig with the top science bods from my university workplace a few weeks back and they assured that penicillin allergy wasn't a risk for either. Hmmm..

[RobertProsineckisLighter]

3 minutes ago, WestCountryGirl said:

Oh, that's interesting to know as someone who is allergic to penicillin herself. I sat in on a big open-meetig with the top science bods from my university workplace a few weeks back and they assured that penicillin allergy wasn't a risk for either. Hmmm..

I'm allergic to it too. I don't know if it's just extra precaution or what but that's what she was told this morning when they both arrived. 

[efcfanwirral]

1 hour ago, zahidf said:

Whereas I think sending them back for a few weeks before a 2 weeks holiday is pointless. May as well reopen more things fully after Easter if that's what they are worried about 

Its actually genius really- they get the optics of moving forward, especially with parents ahead of the local elections, they know cases will go up sharply when it happens  but they have a 2 week "firebreak" naturally built in to hide it and stop the exponential growth until mid to late April, after loads more vaccinations are done.

[dingbat2]

Its good to see you can still rely on good quality local journalism rather than sensationalist headlines...

https://www.edp24.co.uk/news/mannequin-legs-found-by-police-in-wretton-norfolk-7655998

Edited February 20, 2021 by dingbat2

[ShakeyCrash]

My Mum (67) had the jab yesterday with no side effects.

I have been thinking about this roadmap and why I am getting so frustrated by this slow reopening plan. My summation at this point is still that it’s utter horse shit for a solid plan to be published that tries to predict what we open up in July given how little we know. What would ease my concern is the potential for openings to be brought forwards if the evidence supports it (as well as things pushed back if shit happens yet again).  In fact a solid review of the plan 5 weeks after groups 1 to 4 had been given the dose makes good sense to me.

Without this I truly believe we will be wasting an opportunity to have normality in the summer and given what’s happened before the risk of the reset button being pressed again in September and we all go back a few steps.

This despite the fact vaccination will be almost complete, case numbers are down, that the vaccines reduce transmission, that the schools are out, that it will be warmer and all the improvements ventilation brings.

If there is a need to go slowly then of course most people will be on board if there’s a good reason why. Right now, for me I just can’t fathom what that reason would be because I can simply use my hypotheticals to argue against their hypotheticals.

[hodgey123]

1 minute ago, ShakeyCrash said:

My Mum (67) had the jab yesterday with no side effects.

I have been thinking about this roadmap and why I am getting so frustrated by this slow reopening plan. My summation at this point is still that it’s utter horse shit for a solid plan to be published that tries to predict what we open up in July given how little we know. What would ease my concern is the potential for openings to be brought forwards if the evidence supports it (as well as things pushed back if shit happens yet again).  In fact a solid review of the plan 5 weeks after groups 1 to 4 had been given the dose makes good sense to me.

Without this I truly believe we will be wasting an opportunity to have normality in the summer and given what’s happened before the risk of the reset button being pressed again in September and we all go back a few steps.

This despite the fact vaccination will be almost complete, case numbers are down, that the vaccines reduce transmission, that the schools are out, that it will be warmer and all the improvements ventilation brings.

If there is a need to go slowly then of course most people will be on board if there’s a good reason why. Right now, for me I just can’t fathom what that reason would be because I can simply use my hypotheticals to argue against their hypotheticals.

Pretty much agree with the entire post. There are two reasons for me that we may want to open slowly: to protect against variants/potential variants, and because there are still a lot of people in hospital. However, the first is a hypothetical scenario and will be an issue until there is zero COVID everywhere, and the second is getting better each week (and huge chunks of the population now very unlikely to be hospitalised after vaccination/prior infection). The scales are quickly tipping against lockdown and strong restrictions IMO but unfortunately I do not make the decisions.  

[zahidf]

4 minutes ago, hodgey123 said:

Pretty much agree with the entire post. There are two reasons for me that we may want to open slowly: to protect against variants/potential variants, and because there are still a lot of people in hospital. However, the first is a hypothetical scenario and will be an issue until there is zero COVID everywhere, and the second is getting better each week (and huge chunks of the population now very unlikely to be hospitalised after vaccination/prior infection). The scales are quickly tipping against lockdown and strong restrictions IMO but unfortunately I do not make the decisions.  

I'm not a behaviour scientist on SAGE but imho once the over 50s and vulnerables are done by end of March/early April, then there are millions of families who will ignore this restriction and meet up (at least in gardens) and to hell with if it's three or four households technically.

People have had enough of this.

[jparx]

39 minutes ago, WestCountryGirl said:

Oh, that's interesting to know as someone who is allergic to penicillin herself. I sat in on a big open-meetig with the top science bods from my university workplace a few weeks back and they assured that penicillin allergy wasn't a risk for either. Hmmm..

I wasn’t aware either! Penicillin nearly killed me as a kid...would rather not go through that again 😂

[steviewevie]

3 minutes ago, hodgey123 said:

Pretty much agree with the entire post. There are two reasons for me that we may want to open slowly: to protect against variants/potential variants, and because there are still a lot of people in hospital. However, the first is a hypothetical scenario and will be an issue until there is zero COVID everywhere, and the second is getting better each week (and huge chunks of the population now very unlikely to be hospitalised after vaccination/prior infection). The scales are quickly tipping against lockdown and strong restrictions IMO but unfortunately I do not make the decisions.  

aren't they working on vaccines for SA/Brazil type variants which will be available in the autumn...?

In the end there's a political element to this too...polling and focus groups must be showing public are on board with lockdowns and support govt sticking to scientific advise and a cautious easing...otherwise Johnson may be going quicker. He is doing pretty well in the polls at the moment.

[hodgey123]

1 minute ago, steviewevie said:

aren't they working on vaccines for SA/Brazil type variants which will be available in the autumn...?

In the end there's a political element to this too...polling and focus groups must be showing public are on board with lockdowns and support govt sticking to scientific advise and a cautious easing...otherwise Johnson may be going quicker. He is doing pretty well in the polls at the moment.

They are working on vaccines but the current crop that we have also protect against severe illness and death for these variants, which we were told are the main metrics for lockdown and thus by extension reopening. Until they aren’t. 

You’re right regarding the second point and I wonder whether that is down to the fact that the messaging this time around (rightly) has been a lot harsher regarding deaths etc. to increase compliance. Add to that every news outlet running relentless reports of every variant reported and how restrictions will be needed forever, a lot of people are petrified. 

[March Hare]

13 minutes ago, ShakeyCrash said:

My Mum (67) had the jab yesterday with no side effects.

I have been thinking about this roadmap and why I am getting so frustrated by this slow reopening plan. My summation at this point is still that it’s utter horse shit for a solid plan to be published that tries to predict what we open up in July given how little we know. What would ease my concern is the potential for openings to be brought forwards if the evidence supports it (as well as things pushed back if shit happens yet again).  In fact a solid review of the plan 5 weeks after groups 1 to 4 had been given the dose makes good sense to me.

Without this I truly believe we will be wasting an opportunity to have normality in the summer and given what’s happened before the risk of the reset button being pressed again in September and we all go back a few steps.

This despite the fact vaccination will be almost complete, case numbers are down, that the vaccines reduce transmission, that the schools are out, that it will be warmer and all the improvements ventilation brings.

If there is a need to go slowly then of course most people will be on board if there’s a good reason why. Right now, for me I just can’t fathom what that reason would be because I can simply use my hypotheticals to argue against their hypotheticals.

Well put sir

[steviewevie]

Just now, hodgey123 said:

They are working on vaccines but the current crop that we have also protect against severe illness and death for these variants. 

Do they though? I know there was that small trial of the AZ one and noone died or got severly ill, but at same time all people on trial were under 40 or something...

[zahidf]

1 minute ago, hodgey123 said:

They are working on vaccines but the current crop that we have also protect against severe illness and death for these variants, which we were told are the main metrics for lockdown and thus by extension reopening. Until they aren’t. 

You’re right regarding the second point and I wonder whether that is down to the fact that the messaging this time around (rightly) has been a lot harsher regarding deaths etc. to increase compliance. Add to that every news outlet running relentless reports of every variant reported and how restrictions will be needed forever, a lot of people are petrified. 

I reckon in a month's time when the deaths and hospitalisations are a fraction of what they are now, public support for being locked down in your own house will be a LOT lower.

[fraybentos1]

Basically everyone I know is already going walks with other households outside already and has been all through this lockdown..

[baggienick68]

My wife and I have both had the jab now. Me the Pfizer and her the AZ. Neither of us had any side effects. Same story with most of our friends. Chatting to a pal this morning he has friends who wont have it because they genuinely believe that there are nanobots in the vaccine. Social media has a lot to answer for!

[JoeyT]

2 minutes ago, fraybentos1 said:

Basically everyone I know is already going walks with other households outside already and has been all through this lockdown..

My Wife has just gone to the big Sainsbury’s near us with our daughter and her Mum.

To put this in to context my Wife has been super cautious throughout but has now reached her breaking point.

There will be so many more like her up and down the country now. If Boris doesn’t deliver something which the public deem reasonable enough there will be a tidal wave of rule breaking.

 

[RobertProsineckisLighter]

26 minutes ago, zahidf said:

I'm not a behaviour scientist on SAGE but imho once the over 50s and vulnerables are done by end of March/early April, then there are millions of families who will ignore this restriction and meet up (at least in gardens) and to hell with if it's three or four households technically.

People have had enough of this.

If just been out for a walk and it was striking today how many groups of couples were out walking dogs. 

How many families were out walking with other families and or what looked like grandparents. 

[st dan]

My wife’s hospital has moved from 6 Covid wards to 3 in just one week - from a high of 10 in mid/late January. 
They are also permanently rearranging the temporary Covid wards back to how they were previously, so I don’t think they are expecting another surge anytime soon. 

I know it was to be expected, but it’s good to see such improvements from somebody who is experiencing it first hand. 

Edited February 20, 2021 by st dan

[Guest]

This is an interesting study done by the UCL, it’s fairly frequently but the last one surveyed 70k people and had some interesting findings such as majority compliance with the lockdown is (when they did the survey) 96% which is the highest since last May. There’s lot of other stuff in there about mental health too. 

Edited February 20, 2021 by Ozanne

[gooner1990]

36 minutes ago, fraybentos1 said:

Basically everyone I know is already going walks with other households outside already and has been all through this lockdown..

Yeh same within the group of friends me and my girlfriend have.

Everyone i know is bending the rules now. 

[steviewevie]

25 minutes ago, RobertProsineckisLighter said:

If just been out for a walk and it was striking today how many groups of couples were out walking dogs. 

How many families were out walking with other families and or what looked like grandparents. 

Call the cops.

[Fuzzy Afro]

2 hours ago, Zoo Music Girl said:

I actually don't mind if they're outdoors as long as the weather is nice, but of course there is no guarantee of that at all in April. We'd happily meet in a park or garden (in a garden you have to go in to use the loo anyway, which always makes the rule feel a bit pointless, but we stuck to it last summer when that was the case. None of our parents were vaccinated then, though, and now they all are...

The outdoors rule would be easier with pubs and restaurants open too so you could eat out together. It is a bit limiting for people with our gardens. Parks are going to be busy.

I’m more than happy to meet my mates outdoors in the park for snacks and drinks in the summer. That’s good fun and we’d be doing that sort of thing pandemic or not.

 

I am NOT satisfied with:

 

A: Only being allowed to meet my partner outdoors

B: Only being allowed to meet my parents outdoors given that they live 450 miles away and thus a day trip is impractical. 

[steviewevie]

25 minutes ago, st dan said:

My wife’s hospital has moved from 6 Covid wards to 3 in just one week - from a high of 10 in mid/late January. 
They are also permanently rearranging the temporary Covid wards back to how they were previously, so I don’t think they are expecting another surge anytime soon. 

I know it was to be expected, but it’s good to see such improvements from somebody who is experiencing it first hand. 

there must be a bit of backlog of non covid stuff to get through...

[JoeyT]

23 minutes ago, Ozanne said:

This is an interesting study done by the UCL, it’s fairly frequently but the last one surveyed 70k people and had some interesting findings such as majority compliance with the lockdown is (when they did the survey) 96% which is the highest since last May. There’s lot of other stuff in there about mental health too. 

96% compliance?

That study is laughable.

[Guest]

Everyone I know is still following the rules, they’ve all kept to the rules throughout and are still doing so.

In my area when I go out for a walk I don’t see any groups at all, it’s all just couples or people on their own. The roads are a bit busier but everywhere else is really quiet.