When will this shit end?

[Losing my hair]

1 minute ago, squirrelarmy said:

Would you trust a vet to give you a prostate exam 😬

I thought it was just an injection in the arm, nobody mentioned a prostate exam - as they are setting up vaccination centres in car parks this could be a little embarrassing! Thanks for the warning.

[funkychick2007]

20 minutes ago, Jack.194 said:

Why the fuck have they not closed schools, seriously?

Also, how can a government that have cut education to its core, pushed forward with austerity, and consistently voted against free school meals for the last TEN YEARS genuinely claim that they’re keeping schools open to ‘limit the inequality that shutting schools would cause.’

I’m absolutely beyond fuming. Not only that but it’s FIVE DAYS until most schools go back now!! I spoke to my headteacher yesterday and she said she hadn’t heard a thing from the gov/LA about testing, opening etc etc. And to top it all off, I still don’t really know where my schools stands as it’s a SEN school, they didn’t mention us once in that speech Gavin made.

I was really hoping for ~a month full national long lockdown, push forward with vaccines, and then things might’ve been looking up.

Sorry to rant, I’ve tweeted all I can but I’m still really feeling it.

Absolutely agree with everything you are saying yet again this government seem to forget some of our most vulnerable members of society!!! 
you can only do what you can do tht moment in time and believe me you are doing the most amazing job in schools! 
absolutely struggling to understand why we didn’t have a full lockdown for a month to protect everyone including all us frontline staff who have continually worked through this! If less people are having contact with each other it lessens the risks to those who have to have contact with each other! 

[incident]

8 minutes ago, squirrelarmy said:

Would you trust a vet to give you a prostate exam 😬

No, but I'd certainly trust a vet to give me an injection under instruction, given that they're trained to do it to animals that are squirming about all over the place and still keep steady.

[Andre91]

1 hour ago, Ozanne said:

They haven't made that bit clear, possibly Army or the Reserves.

It can't be put on the teachers, they've had to deal with so much already and have done such a good job that they don't need that added stress too.

Am I fuck going near the noses of my set 9 Year 11s (all boys). 

Edited December 30, 2020 by Andre91

[HalfAnIdiot]

2 minutes ago, incident said:

No, but I'd certainly trust a vet to give me an injection under instruction, given that they're trained to do it to animals that are squirming about all over the place and still keep steady.

It took two vets to pin my dog down and give it a sedative jab. As a profession they would be well suited to vaccinating the less than keen of us 😁

[zahidf]

[Copperface]

1 minute ago, HalfAnIdiot said:

It took two vets to pin my dog down and give it a sedative jab. As a profession they would be well suited to vaccinating the less than keen of us 😁

That's why they are making us wear 'muzzles'.

[Copperface]

17 minutes ago, squirrelarmy said:

Would you trust a vet to give you a prostate exam 😬

My dog has his anal glands well squeezed without too much complaint.

[HalfAnIdiot]

2 minutes ago, Copperface said:

That's why they are making us wear 'muzzles'.

'groan'

 

Funnily enough tho, we did have to muzzle her too (the dog, not the vet).

[Crazyfool01]

[zahidf]

Praise for the UK govt from a Harvard scientist

 

[Copperface]

46 minutes ago, fraybentos1 said:

Im asking you cause ur saying the staff numbers needed as if it’s a stumbling block.

it’s around 25 mil I believe.

 

The good news is that it looks like they are constantly reviewing that staffing figure.

Not sure the bit that comes before it is particularly encouraging. They would be basing that on sufficient available streams of vaccine as well. And there was me thinking mid summer.

As at 8^th December 2020, NHSE&I is planning on the assumption it could vaccinate up to 25 million people with two doses throughout 2021 – combined with an expanded flu vaccination programme, this would be an increase of 64.1 million vaccinations compared to 2019-20. NHSE&I is continuing to review and update its assumptions about how many staff will be needed to support COVID-19 vaccinations in 2021.

[zahidf]

2 minutes ago, Copperface said:

The good news is that it looks like they are constantly reviewing that staffing figure.

Not sure the bit that comes before it is particularly encouraging. They would be basing that on sufficient available streams of vaccine as well. And there was me thinking mid summer.

As at 8^th December 2020, NHSE&I is planning on the assumption it could vaccinate up to 25 million people with two doses throughout 2021 – combined with an expanded flu vaccination programme, this would be an increase of 64.1 million vaccinations compared to 2019-20. NHSE&I is continuing to review and update its assumptions about how many staff will be needed to support COVID-19 vaccinations in 2021.

But this was 3 weeks ago. Theyve changed priorities to vaccinating 25 million with one dose.

[xxialac]

2 minutes ago, zahidf said:

Praise for the UK govt from a Harvard scientist

 

This is not inconsistent with what Tony Blair was proposing.

[Losing my hair]

1 minute ago, zahidf said:

But this was 3 weeks ago. Theyve changed priorities to vaccinating 25 million with one dose.

No they haven't. The 25 million still get 2 doses but with a gap of up to 12 weeks between doses instead of 3/4 enabling more people to get the first dose in a shorter time frame.

[Copperface]

2 minutes ago, zahidf said:

But this was 3 weeks ago. Theyve changed priorities to vaccinating 25 million with one dose.

It's not changing the two dose regimen, it's just delaying the second dose, is it not?

Plus, GPs are only getting paid on completion of the second dose so might be interesting to see if they have changed that s loads have already pulled out of the rollout because of that clause. 

[zahidf]

1 minute ago, Losing my hair said:

No they haven't. The 25 million still get 2 doses but with a gap of up to 12 weeks between doses instead of 3/4 enabling more people to get the first dose in a shorter time frame.

But my reading is that they will count one dose as counting as protective in terms of lifting restrictions, whereas before it was being counted as both doses

[zahidf]

1 minute ago, Copperface said:

It's not changing the two dose regimen, it's just delaying the second dose, is it not?

Plus, GPs are only getting paid on completion of the second dose so might be interesting to see if they have changed that s loads have already pulled out of the rollout because of that clause. 

That's interesting on the GPs.  Hopefully it changes to encourage more take up

[zahidf]

Bloody hell America 

 

[dotdash79]

2 minutes ago, Copperface said:

 

Plus, GPs are only getting paid on completion of the second dose so might be interesting to see if they have changed that s loads have already pulled out of the rollout because of that clause. 

That interesting as they will be most likely get QOF points for that. But if the second shot for most patients is after April then they won’t get paid until 2022. As the cut of for QOF is April 1st. 

[Losing my hair]

1 minute ago, zahidf said:

But my reading is that they will count one dose as counting as protective in terms of lifting restrictions, whereas before it was being counted as both doses

It may be that doing this way enables some restrictions to be lifted after the first dose but it's not a given. It's just that doing it this way gives more people some protection in a shorter time frame but everybody will still need 2 doses to gain full protection which ultimately will take the same amount of time. 

[Leyrulion]

Ok a counter point. In England 54% of Coronavirus deaths are in those aged 80+

They're in group 1 and 2 of the vaccine rollout which for the whole U.K appears to be about 6 million people. 

If we moved at 2 million a week the groups responsible for half the deaths will be vaccinated with good initial immunity by maybe 30th Jan, to give some leeway on numbers.

So, and someone check this for me, assuming infection distribution among age groups remains as it is now by the end of January we could have the exact same case numbers (50k a day) and half the deaths. 

I think JVT said today that one dose of vaccine is probably enough to stop you being hospitalised with severe disease. 

 

 

[Ayrshire Chris]

16 minutes ago, crazyfool1 said:

Showing your age with a play your cards right reference! Mind you, I can remember double your money in black and white!  Presented by Hughie Green, DNA tests proved he was Paula Yates real father, not Jess Yates  the guy who presented the religious programme on ITV! 

[ShakeyCrash]

21 minutes ago, Leyrulion said:

Ok a counter point. In England 54% of Coronavirus deaths are in those aged 80+

They're in group 1 and 2 of the vaccine rollout which for the whole U.K appears to be about 6 million people. 

If we moved at 2 million a week the groups responsible for half the deaths will be vaccinated with good initial immunity by maybe 30th Jan, to give some leeway on numbers.

So, and someone check this for me, assuming infection distribution among age groups remains as it is now by the end of January we could have the exact same case numbers (50k a day) and half the deaths. 

I think JVT said today that one dose of vaccine is probably enough to stop you being hospitalised with severe disease. 

 

 

This is where it becomes interesting. The numbers will come down but how much would this be offset by those 65-80 if things opened up?  Of that population what % are hospitalized if they get covid and how many are them are in terms of millions. Then you can get a decent worst case scenario if you repeat the approach across all groups right. This is using the obvious incorrect assumption that everyone will get (which they won’t).

[Mr.Tease]

48 minutes ago, zahidf said:

Praise for the UK govt from a Harvard scientist

 

I'm not convinced, unless they're sat on data that's not been published yet (I genuinely hope they are) - see how cautious Pfizer are at the notion of their vaccine being used in this way:

 

Pfizer/BioNTech said that their vaccine was not designed to be used in two shots 12 weeks apart. In a statement, the firms said there was no evidence the first shot continued to work beyond three weeks.

“Data from the phase 3 study demonstrated that, although partial protection from the vaccine appears to begin as early as 12 days after the first dose, two doses of the vaccine are required to provide the maximum protection against the disease, a vaccine efficacy of 95%. There are no data to demonstrate that protection after the first dose is sustained after 21 days,” they said.

 

https://www.theguardian.com/society/2020/dec/30/oxford-astrazeneca-covid-vaccine-approved-by-uk-regulator