When will this shit end?

[RobertProsineckisLighter]

I think there are a few things to bear in mind when trying to compare different countries responses. 

1. They all report their numbers differently for infections and deaths etc...

2. Not all countries were starting for the same point, many of the countries that have seemingly been more successful have had scares in the past that have seen them more prepared for this type of virus. 

Sure the government have been slow to react on occasions but they are learning on their feet as the worry previously had been for a flu like virus not one like this. 

Many European countries have struggle with this virus, even the ones that have supposedly done it well are struggling. Look at Germany for example. 

We have done some stuff really well and of course it's had its issues but it is working, and working well by and large. Track and trace (not just the app) is improved now more of it is flowing down to the local level. 

Granted the tiers aren't the most straight forward but it's not hard to go to gov.uk and read them people just can't be bothered. 

Which brings me on to schools. The attitude seems to have become well as long as schools are open the rest of the rules are a waste of time - that is simply just not the case. The argument about keeping gyms open is about people's physical and mental well being which I understand but why is that any more important than a child's physical well being, mental well being and ability to learn? These kids are the Van Tams and Oxford teams of the future. Sure some cases get spread around the schools but these kids are going to be fine if they get it and more thank likely so will their parents - but what about granny? Well they shouldn't be seeing her anyway. 

Sure the government have got some things wrong but everything they get wrong is amplified by societies selfishness and inability to follow the rules. 

[Crazyfool01]

 

[zahidf]

Separate to NHS vaccination team

 

[Fuzzy Afro]

Don’t you just love seeing the public gaslit by intensive care professors? 

[Guest]

11 minutes ago, crazyfool1 said:

yep but the shorter and harder those lockdowns the more effective they are .... look at our case numbers in comparison to europe now .... they introduced curfews  I think it was a little before our pre Christmas lockdown which are a harsher restriction .... I know where I would rather be right now 

Exactly. If our government has acted when SAGE advised, had acted faster (in both waves) and harder in November then things would be much better when we went into the Christmas relaxation. As a result the numbers were too high as we are seeing now which is even before Christmas gets taken into account in the data.

The government have made mistake after mistake and refuse to learn. Everything we are seeing now is on them. 

[zahidf]

 

[Guest]

Just now, Fuzzy Afro said:

Don’t you just love seeing the public gaslit by intensive care professors? 

Are you going to explain why you downvoted an NHS worker yesterday?

[steviewevie]

Uk definitely one of the worst in how it's dealt with the pandemic...you just have to look at the numbers. But, one thing we have hopefully got right is vaccines...

[Fuzzy Afro]

Just now, Ozanne said:

Are you going to explain why you downvoted an NHS worker yesterday?

Because he was spreading propaganda about a bunch of people being reinfected. There are only a handful of confirmed second covid infections worldwide. 

[steviewevie]

1 minute ago, zahidf said:

 

New Zealand having a nice covid free new years party.

[stuartbert two hats]

2 minutes ago, Fuzzy Afro said:

Don’t you just love seeing the public gaslit by intensive care professors? 

What do you think gaslighting is?

[Fuzzy Afro]

2 minutes ago, stuartbert two hats said:

What do you think gaslighting is?

“Gaslighting is a form of psychological manipulationin which a person or a group covertly sows seeds of doubt in a targeted individual or group, making them question their own memory, perception, or judgment.”

 

 

This guy is trying to make the public feel like the ongoing disaster in Southern hospitals is their own fault. 

Edited December 31, 2020 by Fuzzy Afro

[steviewevie]

Wuhan, one year on...

https://www.theguardian.com/global-development/2020/dec/31/wuhan-covid-china-anniversary-who-coronavirus

[Guest]

3 minutes ago, Fuzzy Afro said:

Because he was spreading propaganda about a bunch of people being reinfected. There are only a handful of confirmed second covid infections worldwide. 

No he wasn’t, go back and read the post. At the very least show some respect for the incredibly hard work that he is carrying out at the moment. 

[Fuzzy Afro]

Just now, Ozanne said:

No he wasn’t, go back and read the post. At the very least show some respect for the incredibly hard work that he is carrying out at the moment. 

I am referring to a post that he made several days ago. 

[waltere]

6 minutes ago, zahidf said:

 

Totally off topic, but I never realised before that his name is spelled Jemaine, always assumed it had an "r" in it

[Deaf Nobby Burton]

5 minutes ago, steviewevie said:

Wuhan, one year on...

https://www.theguardian.com/global-development/2020/dec/31/wuhan-covid-china-anniversary-who-coronavirus

And why you can’t compare the response on China to anywhere else:

“Wuhan and its roughly 11 million residents were abruptly locked down on 23 January after weeks of being told that the virus was controllable, preventable and not contagious”

Their lockdown was significantly stricter than here or anywhere else because it had to be. Sadly, whatever people think it’s not about directly saving lives but protecting health services. The fact that they had to build huge mega hospitals shows that before they even had a lockdown the situation was out of control and their health service would’ve been completely overrun.

 

Edited December 31, 2020 by Deaf Nobby Burton

[Guest]

18 hours ago, Lycra said:

It's not just the over 75s.  We're getting lots of admissions 40 - 65.

 

1 minute ago, Fuzzy Afro said:

I am referring to a post that he made several days ago. 

This is the post I am talking about from yesterday, I did say yesterday in my initial post not ‘several days ago’. There is no propaganda here so why did you downvote this?

[efcfanwirral]

 

1 hour ago, Ozanne said:

The morale of this is that you go hard and early to stamp down on the spread of the virus. You take the tough decisions early for longer term gains, the UK was afraid to do this and we are seeing the effects of that now. 

Problem with this is the same reason it actually would have been worse under Labour - the country is pro "freedom" so any attempts to lock down before there is overwhelming evidence that you definitely need to is going into the realms of authoritarian. For the Tories and their supporters, who make up the majority of this country, there needs to be numbers to support it 

If it'd been Labour trying to lock down in anticipation of something happening then compliance would've been too low and it could've been seen by many as the communists enacting the plan of control that they wanted to do anyway. This country was always a lost cause for stopping this virus because of the public. 

36 minutes ago, Ozanne said:

No one said that though.

We can learn lessons from parts of how they handle the pandemic. As I’ve said that doesn’t mean we are advocating armed guards at houses or whatever but there certainly are measures other countries can look at and learn from. We can all learn from others.

The stupidity and selfishness of many of the people in this country is why we are where we are. The majority don't believe in government control or being told what to do in any way, so no government could've stopped this without hugely authoritarian measures. The deaths and cases was inevitable here - lockdown too early and nobody complies and lock down hard too often and you'd probably end up with civil unrest and less restrictions overall. And those are the only options - we won't even accept proper quarantine of travellers so I dont know what chance we have in every day life 

[Fuzzy Afro]

2 minutes ago, Ozanne said:

 

This is the post I am talking about from yesterday, I did say yesterday in my initial post not ‘several days ago’. There is no propaganda here so why did you downvote this?

I’ve downvoted all of his posts since I saw the one that looked like a blatant lie last week. 

[Guest]

Just now, efcfanwirral said:

 

Problem with this is the same reason it actually would have been worse under Labour - the country is pro "freedom" so any attempts to lock down before there is overwhelming evidence that you definitely need to is going into the realms of authoritarian. For the Tories and their supporters, who make up the majority of this country, there needs to be numbers to support it 

If it'd been Labour trying to lock down in anticipation of something happening then compliance would've been too low and it could've been seen by many as the communists enacting the plan of control that they wanted to do anyway. This country was always a lost cause for stopping this virus because of the public. 

The stupidity and selfishness of many of the people in this country is why we are where we are. The majority don't believe in government control or being told what to do in any way, so no government could've stopped this without hugely authoritarian measures. The deaths and cases was inevitable here - lockdown too early and nobody complies and lock down hard too often and you'd probably end up with civil unrest and less restrictions overall. And those are the only options - we won't even accept proper quarantine of travellers so I dont know what chance we have in every day life 

Lockdown fatigue/behavioural issues was discredited a few months into the pandemic, I can find the article if you like. We don’t know if things would’ve been worse under Labour and it’s a hypothetical so all we can go on is how it has gone under this government.

If we had lockdown earlier and had measures in place earlier we could’ve got on top of this and come out of it in a better position enabling us to prepare for this winter better. But we had a government telling us to get back to work, to eat out and go back out shopping when parts of the country weren’t ready for that. 

[efcfanwirral]

2 minutes ago, Fuzzy Afro said:

I’ve downvoted all of his posts since I saw the one that looked like a blatant lie last week. 

Guessing you've jumped on the "its not that bad in ICU" train? 

[Guest]

2 minutes ago, Fuzzy Afro said:

I’ve downvoted all of his posts since I saw the one that looked like a blatant lie last week. 

So you’ve got no real reason you downvoted an NHS worker, you’re just being a jerk. Good one. 

[zahidf]

4 minutes ago, Fuzzy Afro said:

I’ve downvoted all of his posts since I saw the one that looked like a blatant lie last week. 

You could just ignore posters rather than down vote them all the time..  

[zahidf]

Walking around London, all the wetherspoons pubs have massive posters of anti lockdown propaganda filling the windows.