When will this shit end?

[Ayrshire Chris]

35 minutes ago, zahidf said:

 

Just had a FaceTime with my daughter in NZ. They are having a great time. It really gladdens me and Mrs c to see her and our grandkids so happy. It will be our turn soon. 

[RobertProsineckisLighter]

18 minutes ago, Ozanne said:

Exactly. If our government has acted when SAGE advised, had acted faster (in both waves) and harder in November then things would be much better when we went into the Christmas relaxation. As a result the numbers were too high as we are seeing now which is even before Christmas gets taken into account in the data.

The government have made mistake after mistake and refuse to learn. Everything we are seeing now is on them. 

They look purely at the science - they don't have to balance anything else. 

[Crazyfool01]

1 minute ago, zahidf said:

Walking around London, all the wetherspoons pubs have massive posters of anti lockdown propaganda filling the windows. 

 

[zahidf]

Just now, crazyfool1 said:

 

Yeah...

[Crazyfool01]

Just now, zahidf said:

Yeah...

Got sent it earlier by a friend ...

[Ayrshire Chris]

3 minutes ago, crazyfool1 said:

 

The same posters are up on our spoons as well.  Lot of shite 

[vintagelaureate]

35 minutes ago, Copperface said:

Sacha Lord interviewed on 5 Live this morning, talking about tonight's streaming Hacienda NYE party, Parklife in September next year, and festival/live entertainment prospects in general for 2021. 

Starts at 2:40:09 in...specifically asked about festivals at 2:44:05

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/m000qms2

Thanks for sharing that - sounds ominous for early summer, but positive from August onwards.

[Guest]

5 minutes ago, RobertProsineckisLighter said:

They look purely at the science - they don't have to balance anything else. 

By acting too late the government harmed both public health and the economy. Whilst SAGE do look at the science, their advice can be helpful in the wider context too. 

[zahidf]

2 minutes ago, crazyfool1 said:

Got sent it earlier by a friend ...

And this 

[Crazyfool01]

1 minute ago, zahidf said:

And this 

I’m wondering if some direct action might be in order .... maybe some protect the nhs posters nearby ... 

[st dan]

No wonder the hospitals are full - a distant family member (who is 80) has been discharged today after just over 8 weeks in hospital.
They have done an amazing job in saving her life and the team all were incredible with the levels of care. This is what the NHS and it’s outstanding staff is all about. 

Just got me thinking though, 8 weeks is such a long time to keep a bed occupied, and this is just for one person in an ever busy hospital. And this scenario is very common. Pretty sure she wouldn’t have made it back in the Spring too. 
Can’t help thinking the Nightingale hospitals could have been used for those recovering weeks later after the initial worst of the symptoms and initial threat to life are over. I know there are the staffing issues, but she was receiving routine/non-specialist care for 4/5 weeks before she was let home. Not bring ungrateful at all and can’t thank the amazing staff enough, but not sure how long this can continue across the country in the coming months. 

Edited December 31, 2020 by st dan

[Copperface]

3 minutes ago, vintagelaureate said:

Thanks for sharing that - sounds ominous for early summer, but positive from August onwards.

I might invest in Portaloos.......

[xxialac]

10 minutes ago, crazyfool1 said:

 

I knew he was a prick but this is on another level.

So if I understand right, Ross Clark, freelance journalist, knows better than not just SAGE and the UK government but governments in every corner of the world? 

Edited December 31, 2020 by xxialac

[RobertProsineckisLighter]

2 minutes ago, Ozanne said:

By acting too late the government harmed both public health and the economy. Whilst SAGE do look at the science, their advice can be helpful in the wider context too. 

Its not being ignored, it's part of the decision making process. Its not the decision making process. 

[Crazyfool01]

Just now, Copperface said:

I might invest in Portaloos.......

To put the when will this shit end thread shit in ? 

[Fuzzy Afro]

16 minutes ago, efcfanwirral said:

Guessing you've jumped on the "its not that bad in ICU" train? 

No, I genuinely believe it’s a disaster waiting to happen, if not already happened. Some of the scenes in London are awful 

[Copperface]

1 minute ago, crazyfool1 said:

To put the when will this shit end thread shit in ? 

Would seem an ideal end point.

[Andre91]

Vandalise any Wetherspoons you see with that dangerous shit in the windows. Some ‘SAVE THE NHS’ graffiti over the windows or something nice*. 
 

* Tier permitting whether you should be out of your home. 

Edited December 31, 2020 by Andre91

[Crazyfool01]

1 minute ago, Andre91 said:

Vandalise any Wetherspoons you see with that dangerous shit in the windows. Some ‘SAVE THE NHS’ graffiti over the windows or something nice. 

That was the kind of thing I was thinking ....although I might go for a softer option ... like a poster over the top of theirs ... 

[Guest]

9 minutes ago, RobertProsineckisLighter said:

Its not being ignored, it's part of the decision making process. Its not the decision making process. 

Who said it’s being ignored? I’ve said they acted too slowly and then didn’t act hard enough as a result. of the government has followed the advice when it was advised to them then things wouldn’t have been as bad. As a result we have some of the highest death figures in the world and one of the heaviest recessions. We have the worst of both worlds. 

[mike46]

20 minutes ago, crazyfool1 said:

R

On a positive note, I’ve just strolled past the vaccination centre at Kings by London Bridge and the queue was round the block. 
 

I’ve been struggling the last few days, but that was quite incredible to see and much needed.

[Losing my hair]

23 minutes ago, efcfanwirral said:

 

Problem with this is the same reason it actually would have been worse under Labour - the country is pro "freedom" so any attempts to lock down before there is overwhelming evidence that you definitely need to is going into the realms of authoritarian. For the Tories and their supporters, who make up the majority of this country, there needs to be numbers to support it 

If it'd been Labour trying to lock down in anticipation of something happening then compliance would've been too low and it could've been seen by many as the communists enacting the plan of control that they wanted to do anyway. This country was always a lost cause for stopping this virus because of the public. 

The stupidity and selfishness of many of the people in this country is why we are where we are. The majority don't believe in government control or being told what to do in any way, so no government could've stopped this without hugely authoritarian measures. The deaths and cases was inevitable here - lockdown too early and nobody complies and lock down hard too often and you'd probably end up with civil unrest and less restrictions overall. And those are the only options - we won't even accept proper quarantine of travellers so I dont know what chance we have in every day life 

And yet all the polling that I've seen has said that the majority of people are in favour of lockdowns; a majority supported a 2 week circuit breaker in October, a majority supported a lockdown over Christmas and in November You Gov published this

https://docs.cdn.yougov.com/8vylxqh84u/England lockdown snap poll.pdf

I can't find anything published since the new variant came to light which I suspect would increase lockdown support.

[RobertProsineckisLighter]

11 minutes ago, st dan said:

No wonder the hospitals are full - a distant family member (who is 80) has been discharged today after just over 8 weeks in hospital.
They have done an amazing job in saving her life and the team all were incredible with the levels of care. This is what the NHS and it’s outstanding staff is all about. 

Just got me thinking though, 8 weeks is such a long time to keep a bed occupied, and this is just for one person in an ever busy hospital. And this scenario is very common. Pretty sure she wouldn’t have made it back in the Spring too. 
Can’t help thinking the Nightingale hospitals could have been used for those recovering weeks later after the initial worst of the symptoms and initial threat to life are over. I know there are the staffing issues, but she was receiving routine/non-specialist care for 4/5 weeks before she was let home. 

 

11 minutes ago, st dan said:

No wonder the hospitals are full - a distant family member (who is 80) has been discharged today after just over 8 weeks in hospital.
They have done an amazing job in saving her life and the team all were incredible with the levels of care. This is what the NHS and it’s outstanding staff is all about. 

Just got me thinking though, 8 weeks is such a long time to keep a bed occupied, and this is just for one person in an ever busy hospital. And this scenario is very common. Pretty sure she wouldn’t have made it back in the Spring too. 
Can’t help thinking the Nightingale hospitals could have been used for those recovering weeks later after the initial worst of the symptoms and initial threat to life are over. I know there are the staffing issues, but she was receiving routine/non-specialist care for 4/5 weeks before she was let home. 

I was talking to my mum, a former hospital social worker about an article saying that hospitals were at 80% capacity or whatever the figure was. Her comments were so far that's a good year then as normally hospitals are manic now and people don't realise how bad it is every year. 

Obviously the pressures are different this year and the average stay seems to have gone up as treatment has improved.

Have the hospitals in the hardest hit areas stopped routine / non essential treatment at the moment? Granted this is awful for anyone affected by a cancellation but when you have limited resources difficult choices need to be made.

[Crazyfool01]

2 minutes ago, mike46 said:

On a positive note, I’ve just strolled past the vaccination centre at Kings by London Bridge and the queue was round the block. 
 

I’ve been struggling the last few days, but that was quite incredible to see and much needed.

Hope it wasn’t 3 people with a bad sense of how big the social distance gaps need to be 🙂 

[zahidf]

2 minutes ago, mike46 said:

On a positive note, I’ve just strolled past the vaccination centre at Kings by London Bridge and the queue was round the block. 
 

I’ve been struggling the last few days, but that was quite incredible to see and much needed.

Hang around! Might be able to get any last minute available slots...