When will this shit end?

[Homer]

I was going to go to the anti-mask march today, but I can’t find it as I refuse to have 5g on my phone.

[stuartbert two hats]

1 hour ago, Fuzzy Afro said:

I don’t think people being able to spend time with their loved ones is “hobbies”, but it’s worth considering that the cure could be worse than the disease, especially given that most of those who die from this are already very close to death anyway, so effectively the measures only buy them an extra few months. 

That's factually incorrect. Pre-existing conditions does not mean "close to death".

[Toilet Duck]

57 minutes ago, Fuzzy Afro said:

I really hope this is the case and the mood music is good. Saw the possibility raised this morning that we could get a nasal spray vaccine rather than an injection meaning it could be self administered and thus rolled out very quickly. @Toilet Duck is this possible? 

Yep, numerous vaccine candidates are exploring nasal delivery. Even those that are developed initially for intramuscular injection are exploring this route. Other inhaled versions are also being explored (indeed the Oxford team are looking at this). In addition to being easier for the patient, they also raise the possibility of stimulating a stronger mucosal immune response. This is one of the first lines of defence against respiratory infections and would have the added benefit of both protecting against disease as well as reducing the transmissibility of the virus. So, in short, yes, all sorts of different ways of delivering the vaccine are being explored! U Pittsburg even have one delivered by microneedle, which is basically just like a nicotine patch...could be posted out!

Edited September 26, 2020 by Toilet Duck
Typos!

[Lycra]

1 hour ago, everest said:

People are scared and in panic because of big numbers what they see on tv, newspapers etc...

If he have 1000 positive people, maybe 50 of them are really sick.

You can infect someone in first 5 to 7 days, but virus will stay in you for a 60+ days. And that's the reason why we have so many covid positive people. At least 80% of them aren't sick and cant infect others.

PCR tests are too sensitive. 

Amen!

1 hour ago, everest said:

People are scared and in panic because of big numbers what they see on tv, newspapers etc...

If he have 1000 positive people, maybe 50 of them are really sick.

You can infect someone in first 5 to 7 days, but virus will stay in you for a 60+ days. And that's the reason why we have so many covid positive people. At least 80% of them aren't sick and cant infect others.

PCR tests are too sensitive. 

Amen!

Numerous studies have been undertaken to better understand covid 19 transmission and many more are in progress. Those which have reported find that true asymptomatic infection could be as low as 8%. Investigations on duration of viral shedding (ie the potential to infect others) vary in result but shortest period reported so far is 6 days and the longest 48days. One group of researchers have also presented evidence that truly asymptomatic people remain infectious longer than symptomatic people.

[Crazyfool01]

1 hour ago, Fuzzy Afro said:

I don’t think people being able to spend time with their loved ones is “hobbies”, but it’s worth considering that the cure could be worse than the disease, especially given that most of those who die from this are already very close to death anyway, so effectively the measures only buy them an extra few months. 

I wish someone had told me I’m close to death ☠️ .... I’d be saying fuck it ... forget that hadn’t read the apology later in the thread ... posted in an emotional response 

Edited September 26, 2020 by crazyfool1

[zahidf]

Excellent, even thread

 

[Mr.Tease]

1 hour ago, Fuzzy Afro said:

I am sorry for my comments, they were made through a lens of looking out for my own mental health and I apologise for disregarding the vulnerable people in your life

I completely get why you're looking through the lense of your own mental health- we all do that (I don't think you're a bad person or anything!), and as  result we maximise or minimise stuff that either fits or contradicts it- I just wish sometimes you'd temper it a bit by putting your self in other peoples shoes and try to have a bit more empathy for others who will be impacted.

[Ryan1984]

Sounds like panic buying is back in a big way... Why are people so stupid and selfish?

[stuartbert two hats]

30 minutes ago, Toilet Duck said:

Yep, numerous vaccine candidates are exploring nasal delivery. Even those that are developed initially for intramuscular injection are exploring this route. Other inhaled versions are also being explored (indeed the Oxford team are looking at this). In addition to being easier for the patient, they also raise the possibility of stimulating a stronger mucosal immune response. This is one of the first lines of defence against respiratory infections and would have the added benefit of both protecting against disease as well as reducing the transmissibility of the virus. So, in short, yes, all sorts of different ways of delivering the vaccine are being explored! U Pittsburg even have one delivered by microneedle, which is basically just like a nicotine patch...could be posted out!

Would some of these delivery methods mean we could do without the millions of glass vials that are supposedly a production bottleneck?

[Fuzzy Afro]

12 minutes ago, Mr.Tease said:

I completely get why you're looking through the lense of your own mental health- we all do that (I don't think you're a bad person or anything!), and as  result we maximise or minimise stuff that either fits or contradicts it- I just wish sometimes you'd temper it a bit by putting your self in other peoples shoes and try to have a bit more empathy for others who will be impacted.

It’s worth remembering that the vulnerable members of society are dealing with all the same upheaval as the rest of us, AND the fact that they might catch a virus which could kill them. I don’t envy these people for sure. 

[Mr.Tease]

1 hour ago, Zoo Music Girl said:

Also I feel like everyone should keep in mind that a vaccine is likely to come within the next few months. This really is not going to be forever, however shit it is.

Oh, absolutely, people are freaking out as if we're out of options when really we hear back in a month or two from some promising vaccines. I think part of that is the Daily Mail and co who are worried they'll go bust if people don't buy their crap papers on route to work, so they're pushing the "we're doomed- there's nothing more that can be done, we have to return to normal" narrative because they know it completely demotivates people from trying anything.

If we get some good vaccine news, then no matter how long it takes to roll out, at least there is light at the end of the tunnel. Plus every passing day we're learning more and more.

[Crazyfool01]

8 minutes ago, Ryan1984 said:

Sounds like panic buying is back in a big way... Why are people so stupid and selfish?

Toilet rolls and eggs here ..... this shit is no yolk 

[squirrelarmy]

8 minutes ago, Ryan1984 said:

Sounds like panic buying is back in a big way... Why are people so stupid and selfish?

Social media has a huge influence on our lives. It only takes a couple of scaremongering click bait posts to trigger compulsive buying habits. Everyone also remembers how hard it was to get certain items for a short period of time so people are making sure their arses are covered. I’ve got enough supplies to keep me going for a week or two when things will go back to normal. 

[Mr.Tease]

7 minutes ago, Fuzzy Afro said:

It’s worth remembering that the vulnerable members of society are dealing with all the same upheaval as the rest of us, AND the fact that they might catch a virus which could kill them. I don’t envy these people for sure. 

Absolutely- I don't envy you either!- I'm lucky in that I'm fine by myself (I quite like my own company and don't really get bored) and always have been since I was a kid, so I don't feel the hardships of lockdown as much as some people on the boards, like yourself--so I also have to keep working on my empathy! 

Edited September 26, 2020 by Mr.Tease

[steviewevie]

15 minutes ago, Ryan1984 said:

Sounds like panic buying is back in a big way... Why are people so stupid and selfish?

because they are just savage animals.

[Crazyfool01]

9 minutes ago, Fuzzy Afro said:

It’s worth remembering that the vulnerable members of society are dealing with all the same upheaval as the rest of us, AND the fact that they might catch a virus which could kill them. I don’t envy these people for sure. 

I will give an example of a conversation I walked into today with a colleague asking another why he was wearing face mask on his chin ..... I asked him why he was being asked to wear them and explained it was to protect others ( wearing a mask and shield myself ) his response was that he didnt like wearing it and that I shouldn't be at work if I was scared ...... obviously I explained that the mortgage doesnt pay itself along with the bills ......  I think the other colleague went and reported it .... bonkers selfishness  Virus is scary enough for people with no health  conditions I get that ... but for someone working with them its a fucking nightmare .... he also said I was protected by wearing what I was 

Edited September 26, 2020 by crazyfool1

[Toilet Duck]

14 minutes ago, stuartbert two hats said:

Would some of these delivery methods mean we could do without the millions of glass vials that are supposedly a production bottleneck?

Yeah, they wouldn’t be needed at all. I should point out though that all the vaccines at phase 3 at the moment are standard IM injection, so glass vials would be what they are shipped in. Some of them need shipping at storage at -80, which is a right pain, some are ok in refrigeration, the Russians even checked if a freeze dried version would work (it did, but the Russian vaccine in general doesn’t produce as strong an immune response as some of the others)...

[Guest]

This guy is Chief Executive of Opinium, their latest poll is due out this evening!

[ace56blaa]

3 hours ago, zahidf said:

Things not looking good for the govt on the vote next week

 

So these Tory back-benchers are going to rebel because the government went too far with Tuesday's measure.

So we could be looking at parliament control over coronavirus and instead of improving the response they are going to pretend the measures are too strict, despite them probably being not far enough for actually containing the virus, probably because their constituents are mad about losing money, hours or freedoms. 

This could be disastrous, I hate to say but even with their late uturns and measures implemented way too late the gov are right on this one, they need to be able to bring in restrcitions without going through parliament to reflect the fast mvoing nature of  a pandemic. 


 

[FestivalJamie]

1 minute ago, ace56blaa said:

 they need to be able to bring in restrcitions without going through parliament to reflect the fast mvoing nature of  a pandemic. 
 

Completely agree

[Fuzzy Afro]

5 minutes ago, ace56blaa said:

So these Tory back-benchers are going to rebel because the government went too far with Tuesday's measure.

So we could be looking at parliament control over coronavirus and instead of improving the response they are going to pretend the measures are too strict, despite them probably being not far enough for actually containing the virus, probably because their constituents are mad about losing money, hours or freedoms. 

This could be disastrous, I hate to say but even with their late uturns and measures implemented way too late the gov are right on this one, they need to be able to bring in restrcitions without going through parliament to reflect the fast mvoing nature of  a pandemic. 


 

I think they can still implement restrictions, but then parliament can vote to overturn them. 

[ace56blaa]

3 hours ago, Mr.Tease said:

Infuriating that the priority that helped cause this second wave disaster was protecting those who could most afford to take a hit (landlords) 

Not to mention the week before the government introduced new measures and a poor economic plan they got rid of the eviction ban, just to help the unemployed find their way to the streets quicker

[Guest]

12 minutes ago, ace56blaa said:

So these Tory back-benchers are going to rebel because the government went too far with Tuesday's measure.

So we could be looking at parliament control over coronavirus and instead of improving the response they are going to pretend the measures are too strict, despite them probably being not far enough for actually containing the virus, probably because their constituents are mad about losing money, hours or freedoms. 

This could be disastrous, I hate to say but even with their late uturns and measures implemented way too late the gov are right on this one, they need to be able to bring in restrcitions without going through parliament to reflect the fast mvoing nature of  a pandemic. 


 

Whilst Labour support the amendment they also support these restrictions so they’ll vote for any measures to limit the spread of the virus. 

[philipsteak]

2 hours ago, Zoo Music Girl said:

That's good to hear. Genuinely feel so lucky to have been able to work throughout this and to so far still have work. I'm freelance so it will be a bumpy landing if that gets pulled, but I've been fortunate enough to have saved some cash during the last six months.

It's a relief for sure, but it's also basically at the expense of someone else, cos there are going to be redundancies. On top of the seasonal staff not getting their contact extended

[tigger123]

14 minutes ago, FestivalJamie said:

Completely agree

You may agree for now but we live in a democracy and we set a dangerous precedent for laws being passed without government approval if they are allowed to carry on as they currently are. Most of the restrictions seem to take a couple days to implement anyway, for eg they announced pubs having to close at 10pm on Tuesday and it became law on Thursday. That couple days allows enough time for urgent parliamentary debate to take place, just scrap the stupid couple days grace period and implement the restrictions with immediate effect if/when they’re passed by Parliament. That way, parliamentary debate will cause no further delay to the restrictions being imposed, but still maintains our democratic foundations, which for me remain of utmost importance.

 

Yes it takes a bit of time to actually write the legislation but I don’t see why this can’t be done concurrently while the debate is going on.