Kendrick Lamar

[Slugy]

2 minutes ago, the wonderwhy said:

Feel like these setlists are all a bit long. Be surprised if he goes over 20 songs unfortunately 

Wishful thinking!

[leath02]

His set list when I saw him at The O2 on the DAMN tour - 

1. DNA.
2. ELEMENT.
3. King Kunta
4. untitled 07 | 2014 - 2016
5. goosebumps (Travis Scott cover)
6. Collard Greens (ScHoolboy Q cover)
7. Swimming Pools (Drank)
8. Backseat Freestyle
9. LOYALTY.
10. FEEL. (Intro played with dance performance on stage)
11. LUST.
12. Money Trees
13. XXX.
14. m.A.A.d city
15. PRIDE.
16. LOVE.
17. Bitch, Don't Kill My Vibe
18. Alright
19. HUMBLE. (with crowd a cappella and restart
    
    Encore:
20. GOD.

How he fits this new album in, only he knows

[KPSandwiches]

I actually took today off, partly to listen to this album.

Just gave it the whip test and Count me Out really leaping out at me right now. Loving Rich Spirit too.

Definitely found this the most challenging "first listen" of a Kendrick album, in lots of ways: few obvious bangers, choruses / hooks, some abrasive sounds, mental lyrical density and some difficult subject matter, but holy shiiiiit it's good.

Not sure how well any of this will translate live, and don't think there's a banger here that'll convert anyone on the fence. I'm just excited to see this generational artist at the best place in the world.

[TiZuff]

i think its close between TPAB and This as to whats the tougher first listen. Personally i feel TPAB was harder first time around but horses for courses or whatever the saying is.

[Hugh Jass II]

Definitely imagining Mr Morale as the set opener.

[kalifire]

7 hours ago, jannybruck said:

I really hate that he's used the F word on this, even if it's quoting someone else, and multiple uses of 'bitch' as derogatory term. He's better than that, it's jarring and it totally takes me out of it.

His use of the F word is artistically justified in my opinion, but I agree with you about “bitch”. It appears far too often on this album and often in a gendered way. It’s 2022 - that shit is indefensible.

It’s odd to hear someone rap positively about trans people and be considered enough to rap about the emptiness of society, then casually use that word. He can’t even use the ‘cultural’ defence given what he had to say about that in The Heart #5.

It’s not enough to stop me enjoying the album but it stops it being as good as it could have been. 

Edited May 13, 2022 by kalifire

[Hugh Jass II]

Just now, kalifire said:

His use of the F word is artistically justified in my opinion, but I agree with you about “bitch”. It appears far too often on this album and often in a gendered way as well.  It’s 2022 - that shit is indefensible.

It’s odd to hear someone rap positively about trans people and be considered enough to rap about the emptiness of society, then casually use that word. He can’t even use the ‘cultural’ defence given what he had to say about that in The Heart #5.

It’s not enough to stop me enjoying the album but it stops it being as good as it could have been. 

I know what you mean, which was why I initially felt WCT was so tonally jarring.

[Bradders]

3 minutes ago, kalifire said:

His use of the F word is artistically justified in my opinion, but I agree with you about “bitch”. It appears far too often on this album and often in a gendered way as well.  It’s 2022 - that shit is indefensible.

It’s odd to hear someone rap positively about trans people and be considered enough to rap about the emptiness of society, then casually use that word. He can’t even use the ‘cultural’ defence given what he had to say about that in The Heart #5.

It’s not enough to stop me enjoying the album but it stops it being as good as it could have been. 

I’ve felt like this for a while and never understood why he didn’t get called out for it. A couple of the women I’m going with have never bothered with him for this reason too.

Agree on the F word too, powerful and justified usage, that track really hit me.

[Obiginnaw]

10 minutes ago, kalifire said:

His use of the F word is artistically justified in my opinion, but I agree with you about “bitch”. It appears far too often on this album and often in a gendered way. It’s 2022 - that shit is indefensible.

It’s odd to hear someone rap positively about trans people and be considered enough to rap about the emptiness of society, then casually use that word. He can’t even use the ‘cultural’ defence given what he had to say about that in The Heart #5.

It’s not enough to stop me enjoying the album but it stops it being as good as it could have been. 

yeah i'm in agreement on all points here (out of upvotes) , the use of "bitch" wasn't enough to be jarring but it pricked my ears up in a bit of an unpleasant way 

first point agree with 100% , the F word hit hard and intentionally so

[downtherabbithole]

We Cry Together is such a masterpiece. A broadway show told through rap, where the arguments are the lyrics. It's absolutely brilliant. It might be my favourite track alongside N95, just so unbelievably creative.

Don't get why people are being precious about the use of the word Bitch. Kendrick tells stories, his albums are cinematic experiences with characters. If you hear the word Bitch from a character in a book you wouldn't get offended. I honestly don't see the difference. People need to relax; this is poetry, not politics.

Edited May 13, 2022 by downtherabbithole

[CaledonianGonzo]

2 minutes ago, downtherabbithole said:

We Cry Together is such a masterpiece. A broadway show told through rap, where the arguments are the lyrics. 

[rock the clock]

I'm on the fence about the f-bombs... on one hand I think it's certainly a powerful message, and the intention is good

but the intention being good doesn't always mean that the execution of the idea is justified. I can see why a lot of people have big problems with it 

[leath02]

For those questioning the 'F's and don't have the context 

https://www.thefocus.news/music/auntie-diaries-meaning/

This song goes deep

Edited May 13, 2022 by leath02

[kalifire]

10 minutes ago, downtherabbithole said:

Don't get why people are being precious about the use of the word Bitch. Kendrick tells stories, his albums are cinematic experiences with characters. If you hear the word Bitch from a character in a book you wouldn't get offended. I honestly don't see the difference. People need to relax; this is poetry, not politics.

Because it’s a gendered pejorative. I understand its use as character dialogue (although even then it feels cheap), but it appears throughout this album, often specifically describing women. To me, that’s not OK. 

[CaledonianGonzo]

Alexis Petridis on We Cry Together:

"no one has made more creative capital out of two people telling each other to fuck off since Peter Cook and Dudley Moore reinvented themselves as Derek and Clive"

😃 

[Matt42]

I can already tell that this is a record that will stick with you long after listening. What an intense experience. 

[rock the clock]

8 minutes ago, leath02 said:

For those questioning the 'F's and don't have the context 

https://www.thefocus.news/music/auntie-diaries-meaning/

This song goes deep

the context was pretty apparent to me on first listen. the lyrics are quite easy to follow 

the message of the song is very agreeable, can't see many people taking an issue with that. but I do understand why some folk wouldn't agree with the way it's put across 

[gherkin8r]

Hopefully he doesn't say any bad words at Glastonbury 

[Hugh Jass II]

1 minute ago, gherkin8r said:

Hopefully he doesn't say any bad words at Glastonbury 

You wouldn’t get that at Pet Shop Boys.

[Acid Loafers]

Do we think that this is a digital only release? 

Or is he saving the physical release for the pre-sale, world tour announcements?

[KPSandwiches]

The F-bombs are definitely shocking on the first listen, and maybe that's how / why they earn their place? I don't know if anyone from the community it impacts on this forum feels strongly either way but would like to know. The language makes the story / message very affecting for me personally.

"Bitch" is a funny one. Seems to be such a diverse spectrum of acceptability for it. Is the fact none of us are saying "the B word" telling in itself, in a way? Justifiable in the context of WCT but elsewhere... feels like Kenny's vocabulary is wide enough to use other words? I don't encounter it in any way other than the pejorative as Kalifire says.

[KPSandwiches]

8 minutes ago, Acid Loafers said:

Do we think that this is a digital only release? 

Or is he saving the physical release for the pre-sale, world tour announcements?

If you find out, please do post it here (I'll do the same). Would like to act fast if there's any limited vinyl release.

 

Edit: I did see on Reddit that they were selling CDs in the US, but not seen any pics of them or anything

Edited May 13, 2022 by KPSandwiches
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[Hugh Jass II]

7 minutes ago, Acid Loafers said:

Do we think that this is a digital only release? 

Or is he saving the physical release for the pre-sale, world tour announcements?

Best guess is physical will come later in the year. The lack of time between announcement and release means they can’t get millions of CDs/vinyls pressed, printed and distributed in time.

[the wonderwhy]

8 minutes ago, Acid Loafers said:

Do we think that this is a digital only release? 

Or is he saving the physical release for the pre-sale, world tour announcements?

It’ll get a vinyl run at some point I’m sure. It’s just the plants are choka atm and he’s probably not in a rush. 

[lighthouse]

Something's coming...