2019 Headliners

[gigpusher]

6 minutes ago, strummer77 said:

Radio DJs often make off the cuff remarks about people playing and headlining festivals. It’s not an official announcement channel so they can speculate like the rest of us 

Yes but I think if it's a big act they'd probably check it out and if there was a chance it was a headliner would probably not mention it or at least mention it being a rumour rather than saying I hear they are playing particularly a BBC DJ as they know they get the exclusives from the Eavii when the announcements are being made. 

[eFestivals]

12 minutes ago, dentalplan said:

This is exactly what I’m saying though. We’ve heard about them headlining, and if it was any other act ‘playing’ would mean ‘headlining’, but the preconceived notion that they wouldn’t headline apparently overrides this info completely.

can't make any sense of that.

Playing doesn't mean headlining for other acts. Playing doesn't necessarily mean headlining for this act.

[eFestivals]

13 minutes ago, gigpusher said:

I think the fact that he mentioned them playing makes it less likely that they are headlining rather than more likely. The headliners are going to be a big announcement not Nick Grimshaw casually dropping it during his show. They could be sub-headliners maybe even Other stage headliners but I just don't see a Radio 1 DJ being allowed to make an off the cuff remark about a Pyramid headliner. 

They don't get any special info (until perhaps shortly before an announcement) but they'd be nothing to stop them gossiping.

Nick was gossiping. The gossip he had clearly didn't include 'headliner' else he'd have passed that gossip on too.

[priest17]

The Strokes seems like a much better prospect if the pyramid stage was just that APE line-up that day. Wouldn't have to bother with any of that wandering round I'm usually subjected to, see how the other half live (until headliner time when I wander off to Wu)

[19liam75]

2 minutes ago, Username taken said:

Stormzy would never sell 40K tickets and he's headlining

He definitely would, although he hasn't done a huge tour in the UK there is such a high demand for him, could easily sell 2 nights at the O2, especially off the back of a new album.

[JoeyT]

2 minutes ago, Username taken said:

Stormzy would never sell 40K tickets and he's headlining

Surely it's a bit of a non argument (for what it's worth I think he would)

 

[eFestivals]

5 minutes ago, Username taken said:

Stormzy would never sell 40K tickets and he's headlining

for a one-off show? He'd whip The Stroke's arse, big time.

[thisisthesam]

Must say the APE Strokes day is pretty tasty. Also wouldn't mind going to Foals at Ally Pally too.

Do I hold out? Chances of both being at Glastonbury?

[ghostdancer1]

most people aren't OCD festival obsessed nerds so don't differentiate between "headlining" and "playing".

to say that not using the term "headlining" means anything is frankly laughable.

[ghostdancer1]

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Edited January 29, 2019 by ghostdancer1

[gigpusher]

1 minute ago, eFestivals said:

They don't get any special info (until perhaps shortly before an announcement) but they'd be nothing to stop them gossiping.

Nick was gossiping. The gossip he had clearly didn't include 'headliner' else he'd have passed that gossip on too.

Ah I've not listened to it (I'm not really Radio 1 demographic!!). From what people said I thought he'd mentioned twice that they were playing like it was a fact that it was happening. 

[thrillhouse188]

I only joined this forum recently, before stepping foot in here if you'd have told me The Strokes are playing I'd have assumed headlining, and been surprised at the suggestion they'd play any lower. I'm certainly not the most informed with festival line ups, but maybe the general public would also still hold them to that regard, and so 90% of festival goers wouldn't bat an eyelid at them headlining?

[eFestivals]

1 minute ago, gigpusher said:

From what people said I thought he'd mentioned twice that they were playing like it was a fact that it was happening. 

he did. I think he's very likely to have good info too.

But he didn't say 'headlining', and I reckon he would have if that's what he'd been told, and I reckon he would have been told that if they were. People don't tend to gossip about headliners without including the fact they they're headliners.

That's how it works (says the guy sat here trading on gossip for the last 20 years!).

[Hugh Jass]

1 hour ago, kingbadger said:

If anything the fact that The Strokes are going US-UK-US over the course of 2 weeks means the two week gap between Glastonbury and their first announced European date is inconsequential as they're clearly willing to travel over here for a one off gig.

They'll travel anywhere if the money's right.

[gigpusher]

1 minute ago, thrillhouse188 said:

I only joined this forum recently, before stepping foot in here if you'd have told me The Strokes are playing I'd have assumed headlining, and been surprised at the suggestion they'd play any lower. I'm certainly not the most informed with festival line ups, but maybe the general public would also still hold them to that regard, and so 90% of festival goers wouldn't bat an eyelid at them headlining?

I think it's possibly an age thing. I'm a little older than The Strokes demographic and I was surprised to learn recently that they had more than 1 album and only knew 1 song by them. 

[Hugh Jass]

57 minutes ago, karaseen said:

The sad news is that if they (the Strokes) are headlining Glastonbury we won't know for quite a long time. I should think they'll need to shift some of those APE tickets first.

If they can't shift 40k tickets with that undercard pretty swiftly then something is badly wrong.

[eFestivals]

1 minute ago, thrillhouse188 said:

I only joined this forum recently, before stepping foot in here if you'd have told me The Strokes are playing I'd have assumed headlining, and been surprised at the suggestion they'd play any lower. I'm certainly not the most informed with festival line ups, but maybe the general public would also still hold them to that regard, and so 90% of festival goers wouldn't bat an eyelid at them headlining?

I don't think it's impossible they could headline, but just on the basics they're a bit unlikely to headline in 2019 when they've not really been massive-big since about 2004.

But I do think what Grimshaw said would have included 'headlining' if they were.

[Username taken]

1 minute ago, Hugh Jass said:

If they can't shift 40k tickets with that undercard pretty swiftly then something is badly wrong.

It really is a quality lineup.  No chance I'd be spending £70 just to see the Strokes but that looks like an excellent day out

[gigpusher]

1 minute ago, eFestivals said:

he did. I think he's very likely to have good info too.

But he didn't say 'headlining', and I reckon he would have if that's what he'd been told, and I reckon he would have been told that if they were. People don't tend to gossip about headliners without including the fact they they're headliners.

That's how it works (says the guy sat here trading on gossip for the last 20 years!).

Yes headliners genuinely don't bother me and I'd be quite happy for them to headline and for me to have no interest in seeing them but I find it odd that he'd have good info that they are playing and yet not know it's THE slot headlining the Pyramid Stage is a big deal. In all the years I've been going to Glastonbury it's all people who are not going want to know. 

[thrillhouse188]

3 minutes ago, eFestivals said:

I don't think it's impossible they could headline, but just on the basics they're a bit unlikely to headline in 2019 when they've not really been massive-big since about 2004.

But I do think what Grimshaw said would have included 'headlining' if they were.

I guess I put them in the same sort of category as a more modern RHCP or something, at their peak were huge, but haven't been relevant in years. Still headline fodder based of reputation, the also headlined one of the first festivals I went to (Reading 11) which skews my perception a tad.

Currently feeling very bittersweet about the headline three if it is Stromzy, The Strokes, The Cure; Stormzy isn't really my bag but would go along if nothing else appealed to me, the latter two I like a lot but have seen already. given it's my first glasto I'm keen to see at least one Pyramid headliner, in case it's a few years until I get to return! 

[Hugh Jass]

8 minutes ago, Username taken said:

It really is a quality lineup.  No chance I'd be spending £70 just to see the Strokes but that looks like an excellent day out

70 notes for the Stokes, Raconteurs, Interpol, Parquet Courts and Jarvis is pretty good value I'd say.

[Gucci Piggy]

17 minutes ago, thrillhouse188 said:

I only joined this forum recently, before stepping foot in here if you'd have told me The Strokes are playing I'd have assumed headlining, and been surprised at the suggestion they'd play any lower. I'm certainly not the most informed with festival line ups, but maybe the general public would also still hold them to that regard, and so 90% of festival goers wouldn't bat an eyelid at them headlining?

Exactly. For the majority of people I know who know anything about music/Glasto, if they'd asked me who's playing and I'd said The Strokes I'm 99% sure they'd assume I meant headlining, and not in a lower slot than the likes of Arcade Fire and Kasabian have done over the last few years, and that Stormzy is doing this year.

Also, has no one considered the possibility that Nick Grimshaw doesn't actually know whether they're headlining or not? Maybe he just knows they're playing and doesn't know what position.

I think the fact nobody saying it won't be The Strokes can offer a realistic alternative says a lot. It's always "pay up for Madge" (they can't afford her and Emily's said she isn't playing), "get Gaga over" (she'd have to come up with a whole new show on top of the one she's currently doing and come over to Europe to do one low-paying show that'd probably earn her less money that she'd spent on constructing said new show), or "I think The Killers are more likely" (they have one US show planned for the whole of 2019).

Look at other festivals - who else is there they can book? They can't conjure up a headliner out of nowhere if there's no one available. Especially when they pay naff all. They're lucky to get half the headliners they get accepting to do it for the lower fee, so I think it's pretty naff to turn our noses up at them getting a standard headliner like The Strokes who would headline anywhere else (R&L, TRNSMT, IOW, APE, BST), and expect them to get a megastar out of nowhere instead.

Edited January 29, 2019 by Gucci Piggy

[RyanSmith9311]

if the betting odds are anything to go by (and i'm aware they don't mean much), it looks like a few people are off the Strokes - now longer than evens for the first time in a while

[eFestivals]

1 minute ago, Gucci Piggy said:

Also, has no one considered the possibility that Nick Grimshaw doesn't actually know whether they're headlining or not? Maybe he just knows they're playing and doesn't know what position.

that's possible.

But as i said, normally when someone gossips about a band that's headlining, the fact of them headlining is a major part of that gossip.

[eFestivals]

3 minutes ago, Gucci Piggy said:

I think the fact nobody saying it won't be The Strokes can offer a realistic alternative says a lot.

there's plenty of realistic alternatives that have been offered, at least as realistic as the strokes.

Just because you're rejecting them doesn't mean they're not there.