Bob Vylan Chants

[philipsteak]

5 hours ago, xxialac said:

Never thought I would ever say anything not 100% anti-Liddle but I think it is fine for him to write Let’s Bomb Glastonbury. He also said the same about Brighton incidentally. Makes him a twat but not a criminal.

 

For the simple reason that no one is going to be fired up to attack either place by his words and he isnt singling out individuals. And similarly and even less plausible no one will attack an army in a foreign land based on a chant at a concert.

 

Way on the other side of that line however is threatening to set fire to a vulnerable group of asylum seekers’ accommodation in a time where many are exacting to do exactly that.

 

Connolly’s words were dangerous incitement, whereas Liddle, if you’re reading this, you’re just a poor man’s Katie Hopkins.

 

I was mostly concerned with how dogshit it was. Even by his very very low standards. Why do editors keep commissioning and paying the prick. 

[kerplunk]

6 minutes ago, xxialac said:

Yeah, let's not concern ourselves with the actual innocent civilians that are being slaughtered, let's invest energy in imagining a hypothetical murder of a member of a genocidal foreign army that finds himself tens of thousands of miles from home, despite there being no precedent for this.

 

We're both talking hypothetically - your hypothetical is someone going "tens of thousands of miles" (sic) to kill IDF is unlikely but this seems to lack imagination to me

 

You think my scenario can be dismissed?

 

"Hackney stabbing victim thought to have been targetted due to IDF connection" - not going to happen

 

 

 

 

[clarkete]

3 hours ago, kerplunk said:

 

Not specifically - any IDF member who happens to be in the UK for whatever reason.

 

 

Wasn't there a film of a protest countering the support for PA this week, amongst those counter protestors one of them, who at one point had been next to UK police crouched and made a rifle gesture at the person filming them.

 

The person is named and I recall there was a claim of some either current or ex IDF folks being there. 

 

Afraid my memory and search capabilities won't locate the clip though...was on insta or threads I think

[xxialac]

7 minutes ago, kerplunk said:

 

We're both talking hypothetically - your hypothetical is someone going "tens of thousands of miles" (sic) to kill IDF is unlikely but this seems to lack imagination to me

 

You think my scenario can be dismissed?

 

"Hackney stabbing victim thought to have been targetted due to IDF connection" - not going to happen

 

 

 

 

Yeah, the good of protesting a foreign army that is actually committing genocide significantly outweighs the extremely unlikely and hypothetical scenario you pose.

[beau1]

35 minutes ago, BobMahelp said:

What on earth are you on about?

 

The death penalty should be reintroduced for the murder of specifically Palestinians?

 

Why that group specifically? Either the death penalty should be brought back or it shouldn’t. 
 

I mean it definitely shouldn’t but you can’t just define one group and say it’s specifically worse to kill these people compared to everyone else 

Someone presented a hypothetical and I just took it a bit further. The IDF and Palestine is the example of the hypothetical. 

 

I did not say that the death penalty should be brought back ONLY if Palestinians are killed, but rather in that specific hypothetical situation. 

 

That is you attempting to puts words in my mouth. 

 

Really I just presenting to you the absurdity of hypotheticals. You can go anywhere with them and they still mean f**k all. 

Edited July 4, 2025 by beau1

[steviewevie]

16 minutes ago, philipsteak said:

 

I was mostly concerned with how dogshit it was. Even by his very very low standards. Why do editors keep commissioning and paying the prick. 

because it gets clicks and upsets people like us.

[steviewevie]

Might be an actual ceasefire soon.

[beau1]

35 minutes ago, kerplunk said:

 

 

Here's the context of the question

 

Claim: BV chants = not consequential because IDF members won't be killed because of it

 

 

 

 

And I answered. If the IDF came here and were carrying out the same actions in the UK as they do in Palestine against Palestinians or others then you would expect people to probably kick off and likely seek retribution. 

[steviewevie]

Just now, beau1 said:

And I answered. If the IDF came here and were carrying out the same actions in the UK as they do in Palestine against Palestinians or others then you would expect people to probably kick off and likely seek retribution. 

and if Hamas came here and did something similar to Oct 7th?

[kerplunk]

1 minute ago, xxialac said:

Yeah, the good of protesting a foreign army that is actually committing genocide significantly outweighs the extremely unlikely and hypothetical scenario you pose.

 

 

That's not the point.

 

To summarize your post that I replied to, you said:

 

Lucy C's incitement = consequential

BV's incitement = not consequential.

 

I'm simply asking you are you sure about that?

 

 

[beau1]

28 minutes ago, steviewevie said:

So....ok...if the IDF come over here to kill Palestinians we can kill them?

You wouldn't expect the British army to defend it's citizens and others if members of a foreign military force came here and started killing people?

[beau1]

2 minutes ago, steviewevie said:

and if Hamas came here and did something similar to Oct 7th?

I'd expect a similar response to what Israel initially did - but I'd like to think we wouldn't go as far as genocide. 

[steviewevie]

3 minutes ago, beau1 said:

You wouldn't expect the British army to defend it's citizens and others if members of a foreign military force came here and started killing people?

Just confused. Yes I would...if it was Hamas or IDF.

What a stupid conversation.

[beau1]

3 minutes ago, steviewevie said:

Just confused. Yes I would...if it was Hamas or IDF.

What a stupid conversation.

I agree. I thought your original hypothetical was just a bit dumb really (no offense). 

 

I just took it a bit further that's all. Hypotheticals are stupid until they happen. 

 

 

[TheDayman]

1 hour ago, beau1 said:

I'd expect a similar response to what Israel initially did - but I'd like to think we wouldn't go as far as genocide. 

You’d expect the slaughter of +60k people, the killing or wounding of +100 children a day, the forced starvation of a people, the systematic torture of prisoners and the just overall blatant disregarding of international law?

[beau1]

4 minutes ago, TheDayman said:

You’d expect the slaughter of +60k people, the killing or wounding of +100 children a day, the forced starvation of a people, the systematic torture of prisoners and the just overall blatant disregarding of international law?

You clearly didn't read past the 'but' did you...

 

Israel had the right to respond but not to engage in the genocide of the Palestinian population. 

Edited July 4, 2025 by beau1

[she bangs the drums]

Saw this from Zeal and Ardo's setlist from Radar festival.....

[TheDayman]

2 hours ago, beau1 said:

You clearly didn't read past the 'but' did you...

 

Israel had the right to respond but not to engage in the genocide of the Palestinian population. 

Maybe you can expand on where, for you, that ‘but’ line is drawn. 100 deaths, 1000 deaths, 10,000 deaths?

[BobMahelp]

1 minute ago, TheDayman said:

Maybe you can expand on where, for you, that ‘but’ line is drawn. 100 deaths, 1000 deaths, 10,000 deaths?

1000-ish died on 7/10 didn’t they? So that should give you an idea of what would constitute proportionate retaliation. The 60k-odd that have died now is clearly miles beyond the line. 

[beau1]

5 minutes ago, TheDayman said:

Maybe you can expand on where, for you, that ‘but’ line is drawn. 100 deaths, 1000 deaths, 10,000 deaths?

There is no appropiate "line" but if there is one, then they've certainly crossed it by committing acts of Genocide. 

 

There is no "gotcha" here. I agree that they've gone too far but you jumped the gun before reading the full post. 

 

 

Edited July 4, 2025 by beau1

[steviewevie]

The Gaza discourse has been Vylanised – but that diversionary strategy just doesn’t work any more | Archie Bland | The Guardian

[clarkete]

1 hour ago, steviewevie said:

The Gaza discourse has been Vylanised – but that diversionary strategy just doesn’t work any more | Archie Bland | The Guardian

 

Thanks for sharing

[DeanoL]

On 03/07/2025 at 14:20, Mark_safc said:

Given that the BBC have come out now and made the statement indicating that they will no longer show 'high risk' artists, it seems to me that something more sinister has gone on here. Even I would have cut of the Bob Vylan broadcast if it was my decision. 

And then your job would be under threat as you faced attacks from the exact same people asking why it wasn't cut off, claiming that you were covering up this disgusting act that took place at a UK music festival.

[DeanoL]

On 03/07/2025 at 22:01, Cornelius_Fudge said:

Hmm, seems BV has previous for talking about the IDF. Just saw this on my Tweets. Apparently a month ago, not that I have anyway of verifying that. Says he wishes death "on every single soldier" 

I mean, this is pretty crappy.

At the time of the Glastonbury story plenty jumped to his defense with the "he means death to the organisation, not the people" and I'm stuck saying "I think he probably meant death to the people, but is wishing death on an invading army really that bad?"

 

The the band put out a statement clarifying that they did mean death to the organisation. Not the people. So I'm the idiot. 

 

Except now no, it turns out that was just a lie to try and stem some of the damage that was happening, which is really sh*t because it means Vylan are just playing the same PR games as everyone else. Makes me rethink the whole thing to be honest. Was it just a PR stunt gone a bit too big?

[Sawdusty surfer]

 I think that this sums it up pretty well.

 

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