Oasis

[Suprefan]

3 hours ago, 09matthewsw said:

Ticket agents repeat the same rubbish about how they will cancel tickets etc etc but are always light on detail on how this will be done. StubHub and Viagogo don't have to share info with TM etc and would be jeopardising their own business model if they did. People say shut the likes of Viagogo down but the reality is that touts will always find a way and the responsibility lies with the ticket agent to resolve this. Few ideas: 

1. My favourite - Make tickets entirely non-transferable unless through an official reselling platform and give people the option to sell to their friends and family at face value, so you either sell your tickets the proper way or attend the event with the people you have tickets for. Not perfect but much better. 

2. Registration - Like Glastonbury. Think this would be difficult to implement but we know it works well. Won't happen though because there's no desire from artists to do it. 

3. Why did it have to be 4 per person per event? Why not just 4 per person full stop. Do we really need to give people the option to attend more than once when an event is in such high demand? 

4. Box office collection with ID / name on ticket, this was trialed a few times pre-COVID but ticket agencies have made big savings going paperless and this is difficult to implement now and also makes it tricky for people who cant attend for genuine reasons.

 

Ultimately, nothing will change because no one is driving it, but it really wouldn't be that hard...

 

theres ways to make it work with restrictions. The bigger problem with a band like Oasis is the audience. Same with Glasto. Not everyone has a mobile phone.

 

There are ways to have a unique id tied to your specific device with your account so only that device works for entry  with a Qr code for example. 
 

For something like this they easily could have had in person sales and let everyone spend the entire Saturday in a real

queue trying to buy tickets. But the costs associated with that are another obstacle. They didnt want to pay for security and organization to do that. Also, there probably could not have been physical tickets issued. There probably had to be a way to have your TM account logged in on site to have your tickets sent to you. So you select your tickets and then they assign them to your account and they show up. Then additional restrictions such as transfer and such couldve been discussed.  You could have also said standing tickets were no transfers only, will call with direct entry. 
 

there is no perfect way to do this because everyone will find a way to say its not fair to them. Thats the kicker.

Edited September 2, 2024 by Suprefan

[Neil]

2 hours ago, incident said:

 

Almost - the 24 hour sale was Glastonbury 2004, and tickets went on sale at 8pm on a Thursday Evening, for reasons that I don't think were ever given. So while it went into the next working day (and I'm sure led to a serious drop in productivity), it was a Friday.

 

The switch to a Sunday Morning sale came the following year, with the legend being that calls to See had crashed the Nottingham telephone switchboard (back when See had telephones, with a large call centre based in Nottingham city centre) causing BT to insist that the next sale was moved well outside of business hours. No idea whether that was ever actually true, but I hope it was. 2005 did sell out much quicker, so didn't trickle into the Monday.

Friday or Monday it's much the same issue as a working day. And quite a while ago now for remembering all details.

[Superscally]

7 hours ago, clarkete said:

 

I like the sound of several options, but couldn't I just pretend someone is my friend and pass them a pair of tickets via a freshly created temp login for x times the price? 

Touts at Liverpool matches use burner phones with the tickets on. Pick them up in the pub before, drop back after.

[-TLR-]

9 hours ago, efcfanwirral said:

 

I reckon if the band's management decide to cancel them, they'll end up in a pot to be resold at a later date, perhaps via ballot or mailing list. 

 

they're sold, the moneys in the bank... i highly doubt anyone from artist management is going to give a sh*t. 

[sadimmock]

8 hours ago, Neil said:

the year that glastonbury tickets took 24 hours to sell out - people were still trying when it was time to leave for work on the monday.

2004 wasn’t it? 

[Justcalledtosay]

13 hours ago, MilkyJoe said:

Indeed. It would be interesting to know how many people on this discussion turned down the ‘dynamically priced’ tickets and went without. I think I only read a couple of posts saying they had…

Me and my three turned it down. 

[MilkyJoe]

4 minutes ago, Justcalledtosay said:

Me and my three turned it down. 

Good effort my friend. You now have morals and the right to bitch about it.😁

[dingbat2]

I wonder how many dynamically priced tickets they sold for £360. It staggers me that anyone would pay that much for standing tickets for a gig, even Oasis. It blows my mind that it has come to that

[OwlsMatt]

RE cancelling tickets, I managed to get 4 for Wembley in the presale. My wife was out with her friend who was also trying in the presale, and bought 2 for the same Wembley show, but her internet banking crashed on verification so she used my wife's credit card to buy them. So we now have 6 tickets for one show with the same billing address, albeit all other details separate and both TM accounts were preexisting with order histories etc.

 

Are they likely to cancel some or all of these on that basis??

[paulshane]

46 minutes ago, MilkyJoe said:

Good effort my friend. You now have morals and the right to bitch about it.😁

 

I also eventually got through at about 4pm and said 'f**k that' to £360 each

 

I was trying for two tickets, but I simply don't have £700+ kicking about, I'd moved cash around and had about £400 to cover 'fees' etc

[efcfanwirral]

23 minutes ago, OwlsMatt said:

RE cancelling tickets, I managed to get 4 for Wembley in the presale. My wife was out with her friend who was also trying in the presale, and bought 2 for the same Wembley show, but her internet banking crashed on verification so she used my wife's credit card to buy them. So we now have 6 tickets for one show with the same billing address, albeit all other details separate and both TM accounts were preexisting with order histories etc.

 

Are they likely to cancel some or all of these on that basis??

They did say they would beforehand. Those are a LOT easier to cancel than the ones on StubHub because it's all within the Ticketmaster system. Guessing they might look at it now the week has started. 

 

If you're selling the other two, maybe sticking them on resale as soon as it's available might stop that happening?

[MilkyJoe]

41 minutes ago, Nobody Interesting said:

 

We also decided to reject them if/when we got in.

When we did they were there but so was the option for proper price. After 20 or so attempts pressing the proper price ones it actually found them and stuck them in the basket so we were very lucky it seems but there was no way we were paying over the odds and supporting a system we do not agree with.

You did well. I kept refreshing the page once I got through hoping that the standard ones would reappear as this worked for somebody else but they never did for me. I was a little restricted though as my only options were the two Cardiff dates as I’ll be out of the country for all the others.

[DeanoL]

9 hours ago, clarkete said:

 

I like the sound of several options, but couldn't I just pretend someone is my friend and pass them a pair of tickets via a freshly created temp login for x times the price? 

Yeah that's the fundamental problem with allowing sales to "friends" - a friend is not a legally definable thing. You can always "make friends" with the person you're selling tickets to. 

 

Even "family" is difficult in terms of actually proving that. Could limit to transfers with same last name but that's not that helpful for Mr Smith and Mrs Patel.

[hodgey123]

Are the tickets transferable yet on Ticketmaster?

[Gnomicide]

Turns out the real problem was that they should have been more expensive in the first place.

 

[MilkyJoe]

12 minutes ago, Nobody Interesting said:

 

Well if something happens in my life that means at short notice we cannot go I now know who to contact as our tickets are for Cardiff.

I hope I don't have to do it obviously but you get first dibs if we did.

Thank you. 😊But I hope it doesn't come to that either. 

[dotdash79]

12 minutes ago, Gnomicide said:

Turns out the real problem was that they should have been more expensive in the first place.

 

The demand wa simply there because the price beforehand was given. If they said you might get them for £150 or £350 depending on when you get through I would say the demand would be lower. 

[clarkete]

21 minutes ago, DeanoL said:

Yeah that's the fundamental problem with allowing sales to "friends" - a friend is not a legally definable thing. You can always "make friends" with the person you're selling tickets to. 

 

Even "family" is difficult in terms of actually proving that. Could limit to transfers with same last name but that's not that helpful for Mr Smith and Mrs Patel.

 

Aye, simpler and easier to manage by just not catering for that option. 

[clarkete]

15 minutes ago, Gnomicide said:

Turns out the real problem was that they should have been more expensive in the first place.

 

 

Hard not to conclude that a competition economist isn't the most impartial opinion on this matter. 

[OwlsMatt]

1 hour ago, efcfanwirral said:

They did say they would beforehand. Those are a LOT easier to cancel than the ones on StubHub because it's all within the Ticketmaster system. Guessing they might look at it now the week has started. 

 

If you're selling the other two, maybe sticking them on resale as soon as it's available might stop that happening?

 

Good shout. I had a similar experience with Arctics tickets last summer, buying more than 4 across two different nights not realising it was a 4-ticket limit for the entire tour. They cancelled the second batch of 4, but the good news was (and this may happen for Oasis) the cancellations were done en masse, so as soon as the email came through I got my mates to go on and they could buy tickets for shows that were previously sold out.

[dingbat2]

54 minutes ago, Gnomicide said:

Turns out the real problem was that they should have been more expensive in the first place.

 

What a load of bollocks, only some were willing to pay £350. If the tickets were advertised as £350 in the first place then I dont think most people would have even bothered. On the basis of the above then only the richest or most desparate should ever go to gigs. Might as well have an auction and the highest 1 million offers get the tickets

[-TLR-]

1 minute ago, dingbat2 said:

 Might as well have an auction and the highest 1 million offers get the tickets

 

probably on the agenda at the next meeting of the Association of Ticket Sellers (or whatever the f**k its called).

[DeanoL]

I think they'd have sold out at £300. It's a primarily older market, they're more likely to have the money. I don't think it'd be sustainable, but that's part of the appeal. They're not going to be doing this again next year. 

 

Anything that sells out that quickly is underpriced, if your objective is to make the most money possible. With UK concert tickets for big shows though, there still seems to be a desire to keep in the realms of the affordable for a larger set of people. It's why the whole dynamic pricing thing feels so bad though. If the tickets were just £300, it's a lot of money, but at least everyone there has paid £300. Whereas if you pay £300 and someone else has paid £150 because they got in earlier, that feels a lot worse.

[Yokel Again]

Just set the price. Then people can make a decision. Ramping them up after you've been queueing already for hours sends you in to a panic, meaning you'd pay more than you ever would rationally. 

 

If you set the price too low, tough luck. It's not like they were cheap at the original price.

 

[pink_triangle]

21 minutes ago, dingbat2 said:

What a load of bollocks, only some were willing to pay £350. If the tickets were advertised as £350 in the first place then I dont think most people would have even bothered. On the basis of the above then only the richest or most desparate should ever go to gigs. Might as well have an auction and the highest 1 million offers get the tickets

Without the dynamic pricing they probably wouldn’t have set the starting price at £350, but I can easily imagine they would have made the same by charging everyone £200. 
 

I think the dynamic pricing works in the bands favour as it turns Ticketmaster into the boogeyman. I also think to some fans it also maintains a facade that the reunion isn’t about the money and that facade makes many of those who paid the £150 happy.