Oasis

[Nobby's Old Boots]

9 minutes ago, -TLR- said:

 

no not at all - but, it IS the decision of the artist / promoter to use dynamic pricing on the sale.

 

I'm sure TM are more than happy to give a nudge in the direction of using it, but it is NOT Ticketmaster's decision as to whether or not dynamic pricing is used on a sale.

I'm not for one minute suggesting the artists aren't culpable, as I said I think they're both just as guilty. I just don't understand why TM choosing whether or not to activate the pricing that THEY have invented and suggested makes them in any way less to blame.

[Nobby's Old Boots]

1 minute ago, andyrhodes24 said:

The artist has to agree to it though don’t they, as he been said about a thousand times on here. Hardly held at gunpoint are they. Ticketmaster shouldn’t offer it in the first place but the artist doesn’t need to accept and fleece their own fans i.e. The Cure.

Ugh. I know! As I've said I think they're both just as culpable. Your post suggests that it's entirely the artists fault. By, for example, saying "Everyone thinks it's ticketmaster when it's actually the artist"

[andyrhodes24]

Just now, Nobby's Old Boots said:

Ugh. I know! As I've said I think they're both just as culpable. Your post suggests that it's entirely the artists fault. By, for example, saying "Everyone thinks it's ticketmaster when it's actually the artist"

They are as bad as each other, TM shouldn’t offer it and the artist shouldn’t accept. Doesn’t mean the artist can’t refuse instead of lining their pockets. We’re Oasis the northern working class answer to Blur?

[pink_triangle]

2 minutes ago, Nobby's Old Boots said:

Ugh. I know! As I've said I think they're both just as culpable. Your post suggests that it's entirely the artists fault. By, for example, saying "Everyone thinks it's ticketmaster when it's actually the artist"

To some respect though it’s easy for the Gallagher to push the blame to the faceless corporation. I would personally blame the musician more, as the corporation at least doesn’t claim to care about what the fans think.

[Nobby's Old Boots]

3 minutes ago, andyrhodes24 said:

They are as bad as each other, TM shouldn’t offer it and the artist shouldn’t accept.

Perfect, we agree then, as I've said that from the beginning.

[Nobby's Old Boots]

2 minutes ago, pink_triangle said:

To some respect though it’s easy for the Gallagher to push the blame to the faceless corporation. I would personally blame the musician more, as the corporation at least doesn’t claim to care about what the fans think.

It'll certainly be interesting if they do take that approach given it's pretty easy for anyone to find out the truth. That's if they even acknowledge it at all - I expect them to take the 'it'll blow over' route.

[yosoyyoberdi]

1 hour ago, Nobby's Old Boots said:

I was done and dusted by 9:15 confirmation email & all.

 

And the standing tickets were £150 then so it wasn't on from the beginning either.

There were £150 tickets being sold alongside "in demand" tickets all morning. In most cases you were able to select "in demand" tickets without issues while the normal standing were throwing errors.

 

Good for you that you were lucky to get them sorted by 9.15. I spent from 8 up till 13.00 at the 14 pages. By 9.25 when I gained access to the first date they were already selling "in demand" in Manchester. Thank god my bank blocked the transaction. 

 

I had access to all dates in TM around 9.45. Finally got standing tickets at £150 for Edinburg (10.30), Manchester (10.45) and Wembley (11.00). My friends still got face value at 13.00. Clearly there was something wrong.

Edited September 1, 2024 by yosoyyoberdi

[pink_triangle]

Just now, Nobby's Old Boots said:

It'll certainly be interesting if they do take that approach given it's pretty easy for anyone to find out the truth. That's if they even acknowledge it at all - I expect them to take the 'it'll blow over' route.

It will just blow over, of that I have no doubt. It’s easy to moan on social media, but making real sacrifices is something not enough people are willing to do. I suspect for many getting likes on instagram for going to the gigs is worth paying the extra.

My guess is that this reunion is about the band making as much money as possible, so it’s naive to think they will make decisions that restrict that earning potential.

[Nobby's Old Boots]

2 minutes ago, yosoyyoberdi said:

There were £150 tickets being sold alongside "in demand" tickets all morning. In most cases you were able to select "in demand" tickets without issues while the normal standing were throwing errors.

 

Good for you that you were lucky to get them sorted by 9.15. I spent from 8 up till 13.00 at the 14 pages. By 9.25 when I gained access to the first date they were already selling "in demand" in Manchester. Thank god my bank block the transaction. 

 

I had access to all dates around 9.45. Finally got standing tickets at £150 for Edinburg (10.30), Manchester (10.45) and Wembley (11.00)

Glad you managed to avoid the in demand prices. 

It's a very generous description they give themselves for a disgusting practice.

[Semprini]

I wouldn't hold out too much hope of picking up tickets on Twickets. Might be proved wrong closer to the time but think this will be similar to Taylor in that hardly any will be re-sold that way.

 

The main reason for this is that the vast majority of people who have tickets to sell will be able to pass them on to someone they know. Question for anyone who got some yesterday - how long would it take you to find a relative, mate, work colleague or friend of a friend who would snap them off you in an instant at the price you paid (unless they were dynamic pricing)?

 

There's way more people who missed out than got them so will be so easy to pass on tickets without the hassle of the internet. 

[Nobby's Old Boots]

2 minutes ago, pink_triangle said:

It will just blow over, of that I have no doubt. It’s easy to moan on social media, but making real sacrifices is something not enough people are willing to do. I suspect for many getting likes on instagram for going to the gigs is worth paying the extra.

My guess is that this reunion is about the band making as much money as possible, so it’s naive to think they will make decisions that restrict that earning potential.

Seems too easy to criticise people for buying the tickets - of course that makes the problem worse, but if someone desperately wants to go to the gigs then they know if they don't buy the ticket and instead 'make a stand' then the person behind them will buy the ticket instead.

Then no stand has been taken but some unlucky sod didn't get the tickets they so badly wanted.

This is of course the reason they charge it, not because they think people chasing likes on instagram want to go, but because they know they can essentially monetise FOMO from actual fans.

[pink_triangle]

2 minutes ago, Nobby's Old Boots said:

Seems too easy to criticise people for buying the tickets - of course that makes the problem worse, but if someone desperately wants to go to the gigs then they know if they don't buy the ticket and instead 'make a stand' then the person behind them will buy the ticket instead.

Then no stand has been taken but some unlucky sod didn't get the tickets they so badly wanted.

This is of course the reason they charge it, not because they think people chasing likes on instagram want to go, but because they know they can essentially monetise FOMO from actual fans.

I wouldn’t say it’s a criticism of the fans, it’s the Gallagher brothers seeing a business opportunity and cashing in.  If fans accept the situation then that is the decision of the fans. I do personally think a drive for attention on social media does contribute to the demand which has been hyped up by the same platform.

 

I see the Gallagher brothers as using their working class roots to hide their true intentions which is making money. In some ways if they were open about it maybe that would be better, but I think there is a proportion of the fanbase that deep down knows it’s the case, but would prefer the working class pretence is upheld.

[yosoyyoberdi]

7 minutes ago, Nobby's Old Boots said:

Glad you managed to avoid the in demand prices. 

It's a very generous description they give themselves for a disgusting practice.

Pure luck in my case. I was desperate enough to fall for them.

 

I am not even that mad at the conecpt of having a bucket of "demand" tickets. It is worse for me that they were not allowing us to select standard face value tickets for most of it. And it was clear there were plenty of them since 3 hours later they were still being sold..

 

Another question is what the hell actually happened with TM? It is the first time I have seen it so glitchy and unresponsive after passing the queue. I thought the whole idea of queuing was to prevent this happening. 

 

 

[MilkyJoe]

8 minutes ago, yosoyyoberdi said:

Another question is what the hell actually happened with TM? It is the first time I have seen it so glitchy and unresponsive after passing the queue. I thought the whole idea of queuing was to prevent this happening. 

 

 

Possibly that they have just never had that sheer volume of people trying to get in before?

[gfa]

3 minutes ago, MilkyJoe said:

Possibly that they have just never had that sheer volume of people trying to get in before?

Yeah the sites were clearly just f**ked

 

See didn't even work for the first hour or so - its never been like that bad for glasto

 

14 million people i read, way more than glasto (although bet people for glasto use way more tabs!)

[MilkyJoe]

That 14 million number if true is mind boggling. Obviously there were plenty of people from Europe trying but it equates to 20% of the UK population!🤯

[Mish1268]

Fair point.

[efcfanwirral]

45 minutes ago, yosoyyoberdi said:

There were £150 tickets being sold alongside "in demand" tickets all morning. In most cases you were able to select "in demand" tickets without issues while the normal standing were throwing errors.

 

Good for you that you were lucky to get them sorted by 9.15. I spent from 8 up till 13.00 at the 14 pages. By 9.25 when I gained access to the first date they were already selling "in demand" in Manchester. Thank god my bank blocked the transaction. 

 

I had access to all dates in TM around 9.45. Finally got standing tickets at £150 for Edinburg (10.30), Manchester (10.45) and Wembley (11.00). My friends still got face value at 13.00. Clearly there was something wrong.

I know of someone who got face value at 2.30 

[efcfanwirral]

14 million people or devices?

[Suprefan]

3 minutes ago, efcfanwirral said:

14 million people or devices?

devices. Cant really count accounts cause if you have multiples going then they arent any different

[Suprefan]

1 hour ago, andyrhodes24 said:

The artist has to agree to it though don’t they, as he been said about a thousand times on here. Hardly held at gunpoint are they. Ticketmaster shouldn’t offer it in the first place but the artist doesn’t need to accept and fleece their own fans i.e. The Cure.

 

its times like these when I look back at 2010 when I was put into a beta testing group for dynamic pricing and platinum tickets for Ticketmaster. They had emailed customers ( I assume ones who went to lots of gigs due to purchase history )  and  we went through multiple scenarios of on sales with different pricing and availability and were able to see how it all worked. Then there was a survey to give input and such. I wrote a lengthy response at the end in the additional comments section warning that this was gonna some bad stuff. And then a year later it began. Time flies.

[Nestacres]

14 minutes ago, efcfanwirral said:

14 million people or devices?

The consensus is 14m people. With only 1.4m tickets available, no real surprise the sites buckled. 

[Suprefan]

4 hours ago, Gnomicide said:

 

I reckon the reason they announced tye extra dates before they all went on sale was to make more from dynamic pricing. Could they try to justify it if they were selling the last tickets at inflated prices only to pout up another shed load at normal prices?

 

i was fully expecting added dates in the middle of the sale and they wouldve been sold fairly easily despite the pricing. I think they missed their window by thinking they could wait for the dust to settle. Now its going to be very interesting whenever theres other Uk dates as to what they do. 

[pink_triangle]

Playing devils advocate but if the dynamic pricing wasn’t there, wouldn’t Oasis have just charged more for the tickets. I guess in one respect this would be more transparent and fairer if everyone pays the same. I however wonder if the current system allows the band to make money they want, while giving the fans a false belief that it isn’t about the band trying to make the money.

[Dales]

3 minutes ago, Suprefan said:

i was fully expecting added dates in the middle of the sale and they wouldve been sold fairly easily despite the pricing. I think they missed their window by thinking they could wait for the dust to settle. Now its going to be very interesting whenever theres other Uk dates as to what they do. 

 

If they do announce additional UK dates including maybe after touring US and Europe, I wonder if they will do a few extra "cheap seats" i.e the back row in the gods at say £50/£60 and make out its for the fans who could not get tickets this time around.

 

I can't see them not have dynamic pricing on future gigs as it just rubs salt in to the wounds of those who paid the higher prices. Plus, the importantthing for them it will eat in to potential profits.

 

I could still see them releasing a small number of very poor quality and cheapish tickets with restricted views and billing it as given something back to the fans. Could even do a draw for all those who entered the ballot and send someof them codes to get the cheap tickets.