When will this shit end?

[HalfAnIdiot]

2 hours ago, Ozanne said:

I wonder how accurate this is?

 

Can't see it myself. Besides the concept of ministers 'planning' anything beyond the end of the week is laughable 😂

[HalfAnIdiot]

4 hours ago, RobertProsineckisLighter said:

Given that you can still catch it when your jabbed why don't we call it what it is? 

'We can't stop you getting the virus, we have via vaccination equipped your body the best we can to fight this off - good luck and have your lives back - it's this or your locked up forever'

There is a huge space between 'locked up forever' and no controls whatsoever. There is space for the govt to issue strong guidelines on behaviour but they have chosen not to do this and just  to wash their hands of it all now. I hope it works, truly I do, but I have more than a few doubts. 

[HalfAnIdiot]

15 minutes ago, Barry Fish said:

@HalfAnIdiot  hows the head ?   A few too many shandys last night la 😀

You still here? 

Why? 

[shoptildrop]

This made me laugh 😂 (it's the little things that keep you sane..)

 

[fraybentos1]

Good signs in Scotland :

 

 

 

[efcfanwirral]

21 minutes ago, shoptildrop said:

This made me laugh 😂 (it's the little things that keep you sane..)

 

I forgot about that. He's definitely consistently very committed to making himself look like an idiot to fool people that he's harmless! 

Edited July 10, 2021 by efcfanwirral

[kalifire]

3 hours ago, RobertProsineckisLighter said:

Ok, so you delay it an extra fee weeks. You have people who still aren't jabbed, or who still aren't second jabbed so you wait another 3 weeks... For them to be at full protection... It just keeps snow balling. Those most at risk have had more than ample opportunity to get double jabbed and get up to full protection (plus some will be getting boosters soon) there really isn't a lot more than can be done. 

This “it would just keep going” argument doesn’t hold true. I agree in principle that we shouldn’t wait around for people who’ve been offered a jab but haven’t taken one, however the target is for everyone over 18 to have been offered a first jab by July 19th.

We could wait for those with one jab to get their second, given the protection is significantly stronger at that point. It would be a one time wait of a few short weeks and result in a population as protected as they could be, instead of gambling with the health and potentially lives of millions who are now subjected to this unfortunate “if you don’t like it, stay at home” selfishness. 

Most of us hoped that a return to normality might be marked by something resembling care for others. Some (the minority) of voices in this thread confirm that sadly it will take more than a global pandemic to be rid of the more toxic attitudes in society. 

[zahidf]

12 minutes ago, kalifire said:

This “it would just keep going” argument doesn’t hold true. I agree in principle that we shouldn’t wait around for people who’ve been offered a jab but haven’t taken one, however the target is for everyone over 18 to have been offered a first jab by July 19th.

We could wait for those with one jab to get their second, given the protection is significantly stronger at that point. It would be a one time wait of a few short weeks and result in a population as protected as they could be, instead of gambling with the health and potentially lives of millions who are now subjected to this unfortunate “if you don’t like it, stay at home” selfishness. 

Most of us hoped that a return to normality might be marked by something resembling care for others. Some (the minority) of voices in this thread confirm that sadly it will take more than a global pandemic to be rid of the more toxic attitudes in society. 

Oh get of yohr high horse. They are logical reasons why July 19th is better.

Edited July 10, 2021 by zahidf

[JoeyT]

 

[Matt42]

I've not checked this thread in a few days and genuinely feel happier as a person. Have I missed anything? 

[Justiceforcedave]

First member of my staff to get an isolation beep 30 minutes before their shift on a fully booked Saturday. Thankfully we were able to sort some last minute cover, but this is going to get much worse come the 19th unless something changes.

Lot's of businesses are going to have no one to work in them!

[kalifire]

8 minutes ago, zahidf said:

Oh get of yohr high horse. They are logical reasons why July 19th is better.

No high horse here, just a different opinion. I fully accept there are good arguments for an earlier opening. I just, on balance, don’t come down on that side of the fence. I respect your right to think differently 👍

[Chapple12345]

The nail on the head has been hit 

[RobertProsineckisLighter]

35 minutes ago, kalifire said:

This “it would just keep going” argument doesn’t hold true. I agree in principle that we shouldn’t wait around for people who’ve been offered a jab but haven’t taken one, however the target is for everyone over 18 to have been offered a first jab by July 19th.

We could wait for those with one jab to get their second, given the protection is significantly stronger at that point. It would be a one time wait of a few short weeks and result in a population as protected as they could be, instead of gambling with the health and potentially lives of millions who are now subjected to this unfortunate “if you don’t like it, stay at home” selfishness. 

Most of us hoped that a return to normality might be marked by something resembling care for others. Some (the minority) of voices in this thread confirm that sadly it will take more than a global pandemic to be rid of the more toxic attitudes in society. 

Assuming everyone had one jab on the 19th you then have to wait 8 weeks for the second. Then three weeks for full protection (which is something like 30% more) then three weeks for that to kick in. Thats 11 weeks. 

Those who are yet to be jabbed had a miniscule chance of death from Covid without any vaccine at all so you tell me who these millions who are going to die? Where are they? Why have they not already been jabbed? 

Care for others? How is the nation going to care for anyone if there are less and less businesses paying business rates and people working for them? Who is going to fund the NHS? Schools? 

 

[Guest]

 

[incident]

46 minutes ago, kalifire said:

This “it would just keep going” argument doesn’t hold true. I agree in principle that we shouldn’t wait around for people who’ve been offered a jab but haven’t taken one, however the target is for everyone over 18 to have been offered a first jab by July 19th.

As has been pointed out several times now, that target has already been effectively met - more than two weeks ago. Vaccine centres across the country have been operating on a walk-in basis with (for the most part) no or minimal queues since approximately June 25th, and this is reflected in the relatively small number of first doses given out over the past 2 weeks.

If anyone isn't at least 2 weeks from their first dose by now, it has to be considered to be by choice - either they delayed getting their first dose or they're not intending to have it at all.

[stuartbert two hats]

41 minutes ago, Matt42 said:

I've not checked this thread in a few days and genuinely feel happier as a person. Have I missed anything? 

If anything it's been worse than ever.

 

Edit, actually some encouraging, sustained signs of slowdown in the growth rate.

Edited July 10, 2021 by stuartbert two hats

[zahidf]

1 hour ago, kalifire said:

No high horse here, just a different opinion. I fully accept there are good arguments for an earlier opening. I just, on balance, don’t come down on that side of the fence. I respect your right to think differently 👍

You're the one calling people selfish for wanting to open up on July 19th

[Crazyfool01]

Those heady days of this thread being helpful supportive and considerate of others …. Wonder where that switch got flipped !!!  The deaths seem to be slowly climbing again … (yep I know it’s not as high as before but for the opening everything up people when does that number start causing worries ? ) and yes I know people die from other things 

[Guest]

Vaccination update:

[Matt42]

Again, wall to wall media coverage that we shouldnt reopen in the lead up to the date. This will happen every single time.

[kalifire]

50 minutes ago, incident said:

If anyone isn't at least 2 weeks from their first dose by now, it has to be considered to be by choice

Assuming that’s true, 2 weeks from a first jab still puts them at risk from 19th July. Hospitalisations and deaths are already increasing.  

14 minutes ago, zahidf said:

You're the one calling people selfish for wanting to open up on July 19th

I was quite specific that it’s people who’re aggressively suggesting that people who don’t like it can stay at home who are selfish. I stand by that. Doesn’t translate that everyone who thinks easing protection on that date is necessarily selfish. 

Edited July 10, 2021 by kalifire

[zahidf]

4 minutes ago, crazyfool1 said:

Those heady days of this thread being helpful supportive and considerate of others …. Wonder where that switch got flipped !!!  The deaths seem to be slowly climbing again … (yep I know it’s not as high as before but for the opening everything up people when does that number start causing worries ? ) and yes I know people die from other things 

What's the highest number of deaths from flu we've accepted on a daily basis?

 

I dont want to cold about it but if we are looking at it on a broad basis, there are loads of things we could do stop deaths we don't do for wider societal ones. Covid should be looked at in these terms.

[zahidf]

1 minute ago, Matt42 said:

Again, wall to wall media coverage that we shouldnt reopen in the lead up to the date. This will happen every single time.

Fake SAGE getting their good clothes and aftershave  ready for their media appearances 

[Crazyfool01]

1 minute ago, Matt42 said:

Again, wall to wall media coverage that we shouldnt reopen in the lead up to the date. This will happen every single time.

And will inevitably fade if there aren’t massive issues ? Would you agree ?