When will this shit end?

[steviewevie]

16 minutes ago, Matt42 said:

Again, wall to wall media coverage that we shouldnt reopen in the lead up to the date. This will happen every single time.

Yeah I wish they'd shut up and just go along with it.

[steviewevie]

7 minutes ago, zahidf said:

But then as per the tweets I posted earlier, we get an exit wave in Autumn and winter which would be worse.

 

No good options at this stage.

But, this is from models that are often incorrect because of all the uncertainty, right? And they haven't taken into account autumn boosters or vaxxing teenagers in their calculations.

[Ozanne]

 

[steviewevie]

Cases on the rise again in S Korea...never ending shit.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/jul/10/seoul-heads-for-lockdown-as-infections-spiral-in-south-korea

[Nobody Interesting]

31 minutes ago, crazyfool1 said:

I don’t know but do we get 50 people die per day from flu in summer ? Because we aren’t far from that now … and I’d be suprised if we don’t go back to 100 deaths per day again … just looking at how things are now … with delays taken into account … of course it should be looked at in terms of overall deaths 

This should help. Also more info here:
https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/birthsdeathsandmarriages/deaths/bulletins/deathsregisteredweeklyinenglandandwalesprovisional/weekending18june2021?fbclid=IwAR3ppel3OBHIn6HDAznUmFpZU6YV1gZSlLX1GzLdJc1bt4S326rJdnxdbMg

Edited July 10, 2021 by Nobody Interesting

[steviewevie]

3 minutes ago, Nobody Interesting said:

This should help.

we might have to just accept there are going to be a lot of deaths throughout the year from covid, maybe up to 20k?...but as long as spread throughout the year and not all in one season like flu then maybe health services can cope ok...if covid deaths are worse in winter, which is very likely, and we get a bad flu season, then we could have a problem.

Edited July 10, 2021 by steviewevie

[Ozanne]

 

[Crazyfool01]

4 minutes ago, Nobody Interesting said:

This should help. Also more info here:
https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/birthsdeathsandmarriages/deaths/bulletins/deathsregisteredweeklyinenglandandwalesprovisional/weekending18june2021?fbclid=IwAR3ppel3OBHIn6HDAznUmFpZU6YV1gZSlLX1GzLdJc1bt4S326rJdnxdbMg

thanks I hadn't realised quite how spread flu was throughout the year tbh 

[zahidf]

28 minutes ago, steviewevie said:

But, this is from models that are often incorrect because of all the uncertainty, right? And they haven't taken into account autumn boosters or vaxxing teenagers in their calculations.

James ward has. That's who I posted.

[steviewevie]

1 minute ago, zahidf said:

James ward has. That's who I posted.

oh...ok....he does seem to know his stuff,....

[steviewevie]

The other problem health services are going to have to cope with is long covid. I know some on here seem to think it's overblown or whatever, and I have no idea, but it does get a lot of media so I think for a lot of people it is a big problem. I know NHS are setting up specialist wards etc to deal with it, and hopefully vaccines reduce the problem, but it could well be an ongoing thing for many people. Hopefully they find better drugs and stuff to help people with it.

[Simsy]

55 minutes ago, BobWillis2 said:

 

Long covid 2nd most common symptom, lack of taste and smell. It’s not really the debilitating crisis we’ve been led to believe is it? 

So what you're saying is fatigue, concentration problems and memory problems are 3 of the 4 most common symptoms? That sounds like it could be debilitating, would impact on people's ability to work or live their life as normal.

[Nobody Interesting]

31 minutes ago, steviewevie said:

we might have to just accept there are going to be a lot of deaths throughout the year from covid, maybe up to 20k?...but as long as spread throughout the year and not all in one season like flu then maybe health services can cope ok...if covid deaths are worse in winter, which is very likely, and we get a bad flu season, then we could have a problem.

Quite frankly - nobody knows.

All we can do is ask experts what they think and try and take the best way forward. Mitigation will be needed for Covid for years to come and when we get a bad flu year on top things might get really bad, or they might not.

Life will never be the same again and anyone who really thinks it will is deluding themselves. We have to live with Covid and rightly so - but we have to do so sensibly making changes when it is obvious they are needed. A government that refuses to budge is a dangerous government.

All I know personally is that in our family lives we need to do what we can when we can but will do so carefully and will always think of others as many are not as 'care free' as we might be - though we have no idea how we will react to being in a crowd at a festival until we do it. It will feel odd I think.

If we are just going to 'live with it' as government bangs on about then that has to be in all parts of life including international travel.

They cannot say we are free and then stop us doing things - half my work is overseas in countries on the red list. I do not feel like freedom is coming my way.

[Nobody Interesting]

20 minutes ago, steviewevie said:

The other problem health services are going to have to cope with is long covid. I know some on here seem to think it's overblown or whatever, and I have no idea, but it does get a lot of media so I think for a lot of people it is a big problem. I know NHS are setting up specialist wards etc to deal with it, and hopefully vaccines reduce the problem, but it could well be an ongoing thing for many people. Hopefully they find better drugs and stuff to help people with it.

Nobody in the world knows how bad long covid is nor how long it lasts - to simply dismiss it is to be stupid in the extreme.

[steviewevie]

3 minutes ago, Nobody Interesting said:

Quite frankly - nobody knows.

All we can do is ask experts what they think and try and take the best way forward. Mitigation will be needed for Covid for years to come and when we get a bad flu year on top things might get really bad, or they might not.

Life will never be the same again and anyone who really thinks it will is deluding themselves. We have to live with Covid and rightly so - but we have to do so sensibly making changes when it is obvious they are needed. A government that refuses to budge is a dangerous government.

All I know personally is that in our family lives we need to do what we can when we can but will do so carefully and will always think of others as many are not as 'care free' as we might be - though we have no idea how we will react to being in a crowd at a festival until we do it. It will feel odd I think.

If we are just going to 'live with it' as government bangs on about then that has to be in all parts of life including international travel.

They cannot say we are free and then stop us doing things - half my work is overseas in countries on the red list. I do not feel like freedom is coming my way.

for nobody interesting you talk a lot of sense.

[Nobody Interesting]

14 minutes ago, steviewevie said:

for nobody interesting you talk a lot of sense.

Thank you kind sir

[Matt42]

1 hour ago, crazyfool1 said:

And will inevitably fade if there aren’t massive issues ? Would you agree ? 

No because the goal posts shift every time. If all else fails it will be because not enough children are vaccinated. 

[Crazyfool01]

Just now, Matt42 said:

No because the goal posts shift every time. If all else fails it will be because not enough children are vaccinated. 

Covid should become less of a thing in time though … covid stories won’t generate clicks and revenue like they do now 

[Nobody Interesting]

6 minutes ago, Matt42 said:

No because the goal posts shift every time. If all else fails it will be because not enough children are vaccinated. 

The goal posts of responses shift as does the action if the virus itself.

If we, the supposed intelligent human race, are not flexible and willing to move goal posts as needed based on best interpretation of information available then we as  a species are doomed given what lies ahead for us.

To live with the virus requires flexibility often at short notice. Can we manage that?

[Ozanne]

5 minutes ago, Nobody Interesting said:

The goal posts of responses shift as does the action if the virus itself.

If we, the supposed intelligent human race, are not flexible and willing to move goal posts as needed based on best interpretation of information available then we as  a species are doomed given what lies ahead for us.

To live with the virus requires flexibility often at short notice. Can we manage that?

Your comments are true especially for the climate crises in the upcoming years, there might have to be difficult decisions made by governments and society which we might not be ready to make. 

[Crazyfool01]

hopefully more of this kind of shit soon 🙂 

 

 

[Crazyfool01]

32 minutes ago, crazyfool1 said:

hopefully more of this kind of shit soon 🙂 

 

 

@Barry Fish it’s not you is it ? 

[mcshed]

1 hour ago, Simsy said:

So what you're saying is fatigue, concentration problems and memory problems are 3 of the 4 most common symptoms? That sounds like it could be debilitating, would impact on people's ability to work or live their life as normal.

It's absolutely mad that someone would post something that says 30% of mild cases are suffering from fatigue 6 months later as if that somehow means long-covid is no big deal.

[steviewevie]

 

[Ozanne]