When will this shit end?

[efcfanwirral]

45 minutes ago, stuartbert two hats said:

It really does look that way. Given that our deaths by capita for the last week is slightly ahead of Sweden who didn't lock down at all, it does seem to have been a pretty big failure.  

Having said that, I don't actually think the lockdown was exactly a failure - it's just the absolute, complete fuckup around care homes that has affected the overall figures to such an extent that it appears measures in the general population were ineffective. 

The lack of PPE was bad, the late lockdown was bad (including allowing the football and Cheltenham to go ahead) was bad.  But the sending all the positive cases out of hospital into the care homes was utterly disastrous and unforgivable. I hope that when the dust settles, the terrible handling of care homes is the thing that really sticks to this government.

Having said that, I'm not sure what the population breakdown in Sweden actually is, so I may be off base in why our numbers are so similar.  But the way the UK have handled care homes is a disgrace. 

The only way I'm seeing it as a failure is that we haven't got the numbers down far enough to effectively test and trace. And that's not the people's fault, just down to it being so weak and late. Because of that we get the economic mess and the inevitable second wave 

[Cream Soda]

3 minutes ago, gizmoman said:

The most shocking thing to me is the number of deaths IN care homes, by that I mean if someone in a care home gets seriously ill don't the staff ring for an ambulance? don't they get taken to hospital and given life saving treatment? 

I also find this very confusing.  One of my close family members works for a funeral home and he has collected quite a few bodies from care homes who are suspected Covid cases.  If they are suspected Covid cases I assume they were ill in which case why was an ambulance not called?  Or were they not ill with it,  why is it suspected Covid death?  Makes no sense to me.

[rivalschools.price]

2 hours ago, Ozanne said:

Because it’s related to the coronavirus and is an important issue. Why do you feel the need to come into a thread you’ve had no involvement in and question the discussion?

 

Ive actually found this thread to be a good place to discuss these matters with people I enjoy discussing them with as well. If you don’t like it then I suggest you don’t come in here. 

Yikes! I was only asking.

I haven’t just come into this thread, I’ve been following the thread from the start as it is a good place to get info which is usually without the click bait and the headlines.

My point is that Dominic Cummings is everywhere and anywhere (literally haha) and there’s plenty of discussion on the Internet about it so thought there was no need for it to dominate this thread as well.
 

If everyone thinks it’s relevant here and wants to carry on then that’s fine by me, just thought I’d put my thoughts about it across.

[DeanoL]

1 hour ago, crazyfool1 said:

Not so sure ... some will be understandably nervy I’ve no doubt as I am  but not sure the numbers that shut themselves away never to be seen again will be huge ... it seems to me people forget the messages as life goes on and more and more returns to (normality ? ) and the virus seems to be apparently less scary because of lower numbers for a while 

I think certain things will change permanently, as people consider what they really need to be out in public for. Home deliveries for everything may drop down from current levels but are going to remain pretty high even once shops open. 

I also think we'll see a lot more people socialising with friends at home rather than in the pub. I mean, this often happens to a certain degree anyway when people in a social group start having kids, but I think we'll see it more now.

[Simsy]

18 minutes ago, stuartbert two hats said:

The bigger problem was that they did go to hospital, got to the point where they weren't going to die, but were still infectious - and then discharged them back to the care home to infect everyone else.

I don't think we should have avoided lockdown though.  Sweden did and they're as bad as us, which is very bad indeed.

Sweden seems to have also fucked up care homes, I think that's why their stats are bad.

[Crazyfool01]

1 minute ago, DeanoL said:

I think certain things will change permanently, as people consider what they really need to be out in public for. Home deliveries for everything may drop down from current levels but are going to remain pretty high even once shops open. 

I also think we'll see a lot more people socialising with friends at home rather than in the pub. I mean, this often happens to a certain degree anyway when people in a social group start having kids, but I think we'll see it more now.

For sure delivery’s will stay high especially while the queues remain . I’m just trying not to think about xmas shopping !! 

[stuartbert two hats]

2 minutes ago, Simsy said:

Sweden seems to have also fucked up care homes, I think that's why their stats are bad.

As awful as that is, the fact that our numbers are so close gives me hope that the loosening of the lockdown won't see a massive spike in new cases.

[stuartbert two hats]

1 minute ago, crazyfool1 said:

For sure delivery’s will stay high especially while the queues remain . I’m just trying not to think about xmas shopping !! 

I know this sounds crazy optimistic, but it does seem like there will be some sort of vaccine available for at least the higher risk members of the population by December.

[Ozanne]

4 minutes ago, crazyfool1 said:

For sure delivery’s will stay high especially while the queues remain . I’m just trying not to think about xmas shopping !! 

Online shop at Christmas, far less stress 😉

[Deaf Nobby Burton]

1 minute ago, stuartbert two hats said:

As awful as that is, the fact that our numbers are so close gives me hope that the loosening of the lockdown won't see a massive spike in new cases.

I’m coming round to thinking that the loosening of lockdown will actually be ok. If you look across Europe, things are being relaxed across the board with talks of tourism opening up, restaurants bars etc opening up or already opened up (with social distancing measures). This seems to be pretty much universal across Europe, and obviously we’re behind everyone. I mean they could of course be wrong, but it seems unlikely they’d all be taking these measures if there was risk it could blow up in their faces with the risk of a big second spike.

[jparx]

Just now, Deaf Nobby Burton said:

I’m coming round to thinking that the loosening of lockdown will actually be ok. If you look across Europe, things are being relaxed across the board with talks of tourism opening up, restaurants bars etc opening up or already opened up (with social distancing measures). This seems to be pretty much universal across Europe, and obviously we’re behind everyone. I mean they could of course be wrong, but it seems unlikely they’d all be taking these measures if there was risk it could blow up in their faces with the risk of a big second spike.

That one completely blows my mind, and certainly suggests easing of lockdowns is going far better than I thought would. I had totally written off any prospect of going on holiday this year, but now it seems like it could actually be an option. 

[Crazyfool01]

7 minutes ago, Ozanne said:

Online shop at Christmas, far less stress 😉

not if you work in a shop its not  

[steviewevie]

7 minutes ago, Deaf Nobby Burton said:

I’m coming round to thinking that the loosening of lockdown will actually be ok. If you look across Europe, things are being relaxed across the board with talks of tourism opening up, restaurants bars etc opening up or already opened up (with social distancing measures). This seems to be pretty much universal across Europe, and obviously we’re behind everyone. I mean they could of course be wrong, but it seems unlikely they’d all be taking these measures if there was risk it could blow up in their faces with the risk of a big second spike.

autumn/winter is crucial when we're all inside a lot more.

[Crazyfool01]

7 minutes ago, Deaf Nobby Burton said:

I’m coming round to thinking that the loosening of lockdown will actually be ok. If you look across Europe, things are being relaxed across the board with talks of tourism opening up, restaurants bars etc opening up or already opened up (with social distancing measures). This seems to be pretty much universal across Europe, and obviously we’re behind everyone. I mean they could of course be wrong, but it seems unlikely they’d all be taking these measures if there was risk it could blow up in their faces with the risk of a big second spike.

my concern on this is that we seem to have much larger numbers of new  infections whilst opening things up  ... hopefully we will be lucky ... 

[stuartbert two hats]

19 minutes ago, steviewevie said:

autumn/winter is crucial when we're all inside a lot more.

I know the jury is somewhat out on how useful it is, but I'm going to be supplementing my Vitamin D over the darker months.  I think I might knock it on the head for a bit now, Dr Campbell was doing an interview with someone the other day on how much you get generate through your skin - quite extraordinary.  If you do that and supplement, then it could nudge towards problematic levels.

[Ozanne]

23 minutes ago, crazyfool1 said:

not if you work in a shop its not  

Oh yeah haha sorry I forgot about that. I used to work in M&S years ago in the food hall, so I can sympathise with you. 

[DeanoL]

35 minutes ago, jparx said:

That one completely blows my mind, and certainly suggests easing of lockdowns is going far better than I thought would. I had totally written off any prospect of going on holiday this year, but now it seems like it could actually be an option. 

While it might be an option it's still something of a worry in terms of what happens if you do catch it when you're out in another country, especially with Brexit uncertainty around healthcare. 

[Crazyfool01]

My mp Rebecca Pow  choosing  to back Boris and DC.... first time in my life ive commented !!!

https://www.somersetcountygazette.co.uk/news/18477611.taunton-mp-rebecca-pow-says-need-move-on-dominic-cummings-controversy/

 

Edited May 27, 2020 by crazyfool1

[Zoo Music Girl]

The thing about people effectively staying locked down is a weird one. I won't be actively choosing to do so in and of itself, but come June 15th I'll still be working from home, still likely not seeing any friends or family who live a public transport ride away and definitely won't be going to the shops (not so much out of fear but I just don't need anything badly enough to want to go, I don't enjoy shopping for its own sake and the crowds and distancing measures are off-putting). So I'll effectively be living the same way I do now.

Edited May 27, 2020 by Zoo Music Girl

[steviewevie]

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2020/may/27/anti-porn-filters-stop-dominic-cummings-trending-on-twitter

[efcfanwirral]

31 minutes ago, stuartbert two hats said:

I know the jury is somewhat out on how useful it is, but I'm going to be supplementing my Vitamin D over the darker months.  I think I might knock it on the head for a bit now, Dr Campbell was doing an interview with someone the other day on how much you get generate through your skin - quite extraordinary.  If you do that and supplement, then it could nudge towards problematic levels.

Do you have a link to the one you watched? He's got loads out there. I'm still taking my regular multivits which have it in but don't want to cause problems! 

14 minutes ago, Zoo Music Girl said:

The thing about people effectively staying locked down is a weird one. I won't be actively choosing to do so in and of itself, but come June 15th I'll still be working from home, still likely not seeing any friends or family who live a public transport ride away and definitely won't be going to the shops (not so much out of fear but I just don't need anything badly enough to want to go, I don't enjoy shopping for its own sake and the crowds and distancing measures are off-putting). So I'll effectively be living the same way I do now.

Pretty much the same here on all those points, especially the shops (which I'd have to get the train to anyway). I live with my parents too, and my Mum is currently in hospital with something unrelated but still when she's out I don't want to put her more at risk as it is something she'll be recovering from for a while. 

The things I normally do involve crowds anyway - gigs and occasionally football mainly. Which thankfully we seem to not be rushing which was my concern - I just saw Neighbourhood Weekender has rescheduled their (already rescheduled) September gigs to next May based on government advice. I was sure we'd be attempting these September gatherings but it seems there is early decision making which is good.

So really very little likely to change - I'm lucky I'm in a good position and to be honest nowadays I'm not that bothered about going "out" - it'd only be a country walk and a pub dinner with a couple of pints anyway. Replace that with a couple of beers sat outside and the best pizza I've ever had from our local Italian now being available for delivery and it's not that different. Apart from being much cheaper...

Edited May 27, 2020 by efcfanwirral

[stuartbert two hats]

9 minutes ago, steviewevie said:

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2020/may/27/anti-porn-filters-stop-dominic-cummings-trending-on-twitter

If that is his real name!

 

[Ozanne]

It’s happening already.

[Toilet Duck]

2 hours ago, Cream Soda said:

@Toilet Duck what happened to SARS in the end, did it just disappear or is it still out there somewhere?

Yes, it has pretty much disappeared. It doesn't have the same affinity for the ACE2 receptor as this variant does, so doesn't colonise the upper respiratory tract as well. That meant that transmission was lower, but when patients did become infected, they were more likely to develop pneumonia, so it had a higher fatality rate. MERS even more so. The fear of both making a resurgence remains, but neither are in general circulation and did not become endemic. 

[Zoo Music Girl]

11 minutes ago, efcfanwirral said:

Do you have a link to the one you watched? He's got loads out there. I'm still taking my regular multivits which have it in but don't want to cause problems! 

Pretty much the same here on all those points, especially the shops (which I'd have to get the train to anyway). I live with my parents too, and my Mum is currently in hospital with something unrelated but still when she's out I don't want to put her more at risk as it is something she'll be recovering from for a while. 

The things I normally do involve crowds anyway - gigs and occasionally football mainly. Which thankfully we seem to not be rushing which was my concern - I just saw Neighbourhood Weekender has rescheduled their (already rescheduled) September gigs to next May based on government advice. I was sure we'd be attempting these September gatherings but it seems there is early decision making which is good.

So really very little likely to change - I'm lucky I'm in a good position and to be honest nowadays I'm not that bothered about going "out" - it'd only be a country walk and a pub dinner with a couple of pints anyway. Replace that with a couple of beers sat outside and the best pizza I've ever had from our local Italian now being available for delivery and it's not that different. Apart from being much cheaper...

Yeah the main things in my life that are missing right now remain the same: the gym (god knows when that will be back but I am coping with my online classes  fine), seeing friends and family, gigs, festivals and holidays. Really couldn't give a crap about going shopping. Especially with a recession round the corner.

Edited May 27, 2020 by Zoo Music Girl