When will this shit end?

[efcfanwirral]

2 minutes ago, crazyfool1 said:

im having a conversation with my sister about 1 dose protection from Pfizer ..... she insists its 50% ..... the guy on Jeremy Vine ... I missed his name says 90 % ....... which is correct ? 

Is 50% an assumption based on two doses and assuming they're half effective each? . If she's got that from a medical person (or is one herself) then she's probably right! 

[zahidf]

 

[Crazyfool01]

1 minute ago, efcfanwirral said:

Is 50% an assumption based on two doses and assuming they're half effective each? . If she's got that from a medical person (or is one herself) then she's probably right! 

just told me its from PHE .... so she's likely to be right .... just is completely different from what im hearing now 

[Losing my hair]

10 minutes ago, JoeyT said:

It’s going to be so interesting seeing the daily stats on this.

I’m quite surprised the government agreed to it. It makes me think they are obviously pretty confident of hitting their target / exceeding it...

Especially with Priti Patel reading them out.

[stuartbert two hats]

6 minutes ago, crazyfool1 said:

im having a conversation with my sister about 1 dose protection from Pfizer ..... she insists its 50% ..... the guy on Jeremy Vine ... I missed his name says 90 % ....... which is correct ? 

It's only 50% if you count the 12 days where the vaccine hasn't had time to work.  It appears disproportionately low because Pfizer didn't do a one dose trial.  That's based on the small windows of time for the first dose, which was usually followed up after 21 days with a second dose.

[Crazyfool01]

Just now, stuartbert two hats said:

It's only 50% if you count the 12 days where the vaccine hasn't had time to work.  It appears disproportionately low because Pfizer didn't do a one dose trial.  That's based on the small windows of time for the first dose, which was usually followed up after 21 days with a second dose.

so after those 12 days  the protection goes up ? so for the intervening time between first and second doses it is higher protection although it might drop slightly towards the end of the 12 week period ? think ive got it 🙂 

[efcfanwirral]

People have fallen for this Boris bike ride thing and made it a huge story- when will people learn they're being played?

It shouldn't matter what the politicians are doing- people know what they should be doing and are willingly not doing so if they decide to use policitian behaviour as an excuse to break the rules 

Edited January 12, 2021 by efcfanwirral

[stuartbert two hats]

13 minutes ago, efcfanwirral said:

Is 50% an assumption based on two doses and assuming they're half effective each? . If she's got that from a medical person (or is one herself) then she's probably right! 

It's from the Pfizer/FDA briefing document, I believe.

https://www.dropbox.com/s/van70zculni3s5e/VRBPAC-12.10.20-Meeting-Briefing-Document-FDA.pdf?dl=0

Actually, I think I may be thinking of a different document, but I think the numbers are all in here.

Edited January 12, 2021 by stuartbert two hats

[efcfanwirral]

1 minute ago, stuartbert two hats said:

It's from the Pfizer/FDA briefing document, I believe.

https://www.dropbox.com/s/van70zculni3s5e/VRBPAC-12.10.20-Meeting-Briefing-Document-FDA.pdf?dl=0

Do the other vaccines maybe have different numbers so person on the radio could've been getting confused? 

[stuartbert two hats]

1 minute ago, efcfanwirral said:

Do the other vaccines maybe have different numbers so person on the radio could've been getting confused? 

There's so many numbers!  Depending on what you're looking at, over what timeframe.  

[stuartbert two hats]

https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMoa2034577

@crazyfool1, the most quoted efficacy figure for a single Pfizer dose is the second row, last column.  52.4%.  That's probably the number your sister was talking about.  But it includes all that time when the vaccine obviously hasn't kicked in yet and then the period terminates 7 days after the graph flattens out.

Edited January 12, 2021 by stuartbert two hats

[Punksnotdead]

1 hour ago, Fuzzy Afro said:

There’s a briefing today, led by Priti Patel this time. 

May God have mercy on us all!!!!!!!

[zahidf]

Good news!

 

[Ozanne]

This is interesting:

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/globalnews.ca/news/7569565/nasal-spray-covid-19-prevention/amp/
 

The company has also recently been approved to start clinical trials in the U.S., and has completed the first Phase 2 trial in Canada where none of the 100 people treated with the spray contracted the virus, Regev said.

[JoeyT]

All those Karen’s with anti vax views will probably change their tune when they realise they can snort the vaccine.

Nothing like a bit of home from home eh!

[DeanoL]

1 hour ago, Fuzzy Afro said:

I’m not one of those people who advocates mask mandates continuing permanently in shops and transport.

Depends what you mean - I'd like to see mask wearing in shops and on public transport *if you're feeling a bit ill*. Which is what happens in other countries. You won't see carriages full of them because not that many people will be ill at once. 

[steviewevie]

1 hour ago, Fuzzy Afro said:

smiling faces of families enjoying a day out

I don't think I have ever seen one of those in my entire life.

[steviewevie]

18 minutes ago, zahidf said:

Good news!

 

this mRNA stuff truly rocks, almost as good as mdma ho ho.

[steviewevie]

Politico's Jack Blanchard has a new podcast and first one is about history of pandemics and how Johnson isn't the first politcal leader to struggle with it. Some of them make this one sound like a picnic.

https://pod.link/1544479523

[steviewevie]

 

[Chawk]

My mam just had her vaccine, pfitzer as well. 

[shoptildrop]

2 hours ago, crazyfool1 said:

It does mine too ... pickers are expected to pick 190 items per hour ... and the use of gloves will only transfer  things about ... best thing is regular sanitising and hand washing ... people won’t change them often enough to make any difference whatsoever 

And this is why I clean everything from my click and collect orders

[Chawk]

1 hour ago, Chapple12345 said:

 

Politicians Hate Marcus Rashford For This One Simple Trick

[squirrelarmy]

7 minutes ago, steviewevie said:

 

Are you sure that’s a real Express story? It doesn’t have Diana in the headline. 

[Crazyfool01]

6 minutes ago, Chawk said:

My mam just had her vaccine, pfitzer as well. 

fantastic ... its all about the mums on efests 🙂