When will this shit end?

[Copperface]

24 minutes ago, stuartbert two hats said:

It's way too big. Has to be 2022, surely that's been obvious for months? I can't believe they keep thinking it's going to happen.

There'll be a clash with the World Championships then so moving it is not possible. 

[squirrelarmy]

14 hours ago, steviewevie said:

bandwidth much better in office for dicking about.

Opposite for me. Internet at work is shocking compared to my 1GB at home. 

[Ozanne]

47 minutes ago, Copperface said:

There'll be a clash with the World Championships then so moving it is not possible. 

I was just about to say this. I think if it can’t happen this year then it’ll be cancelled outright won’t it?

[Ryan1984]

2 minutes ago, Ozanne said:

I was just about to say this. I think if it can’t happen this year then it’ll be cancelled outright won’t it?

I’d agree - and they’ve splashed so much cash on stadiums/infrastructure etc. Will be sad if it doesn’t go ahead - I think the organisers wanted it to be a global celebration of a return to something resembling normality.

Interested to see how these trial events go this weekend - the snooker one especially as that is indoors.

[Chapple12345]

48 minutes ago, Copperface said:

There'll be a clash with the World Championships then so moving it is not possible. 

And also athletes only have a limited career span to get to their peak and then retire, they plan their entire careers around these huge events. Every athlete competing will be training vigorously at the moment so it seems unfair to be leading them on for the event if it won't actually happen 

[Havors]

13 hours ago, chestwig said:

Frightening isn't it...

When you look at the amount of spontaneous terminations the vaccine has caused. Any pregnant woman that puts that in her body is a mug

Its more frightening how much of an idiot you making statements like that.... 

[Euphoricape]

http://news.sky.com/story/covid-19-indian-variant-could-scupper-easing-of-uk-coronavirus-lockdown-rules-warns-expert-12277830

India not on the red list as bojo wants to sign a deal before the eu, which is dependant on his trip to there later this month. This could set us back to square 1 literally due to brexit. 

[Ozanne]

12 minutes ago, Chapple12345 said:

And also athletes only have a limited career span to get to their peak and then retire, they plan their entire careers around these huge events. Every athlete competing will be training vigorously at the moment so it seems unfair to be leading them on for the event if it won't actually happen 

Sorry to sound stupid, but can’t they do it with no fans? 

[Chapple12345]

5 minutes ago, Ozanne said:

Sorry to sound stupid, but can’t they do it with no fans? 

They could easily yes, but for now they're restricting it to Japanese fans only. I recall the organisers saying they won't do it if fans aren't allowed, although saying that if push came to shove and they had no other options I think they'd be forced to do it behind closed doors baring in mind all the money that's been spent on it 

[steviewevie]

future of clubbing

https://www.theguardian.com/music/2021/apr/17/im-not-ready-for-other-peoples-sweat-to-drip-on-me-will-clubbing-survive-the-pandemic

[zahidf]

 

 

Edited April 17, 2021 by zahidf

[stuartbert two hats]

28 minutes ago, zahidf said:

 

 

That's not what happened in the UK though, is it?

[JoeyT]

I can confirm that mask wearing between equipment is 0% at my David Lloyd gym.

Did a spin class earlier and didn’t see one person with a mask. That includes those who went from changing room to the outside area where the bikes are.

Its a ridiculous guideline and glad that everyone is ignoring it. 

[Wellyboot]

16 hours ago, crazyfool1 said:

Calling @Wellyboot to talk about her experience 🙂 

😂😂 

[gizmoman]

14 hours ago, chestwig said:

Frightening isn't it...

When you look at the amount of spontaneous terminations the vaccine has caused. Any pregnant woman that puts that in her body is a mug

 

14 hours ago, Simsy said:

https://www.google.com/amp/s/mobile.reuters.com/article/amp/idUSL1N2LT21A

"Fact Check-There is no evidence to suggest COVID-19 vaccines increase the risk of miscarriage"

Frightening when people spread anti vax lies? Yeah, fucking terrifying.

 

 

13 hours ago, Ozanne said:

It's good news they are recommending pregnant ladies to have some of the vaccines now. One of my sisters is expecting so I'm wondering if she'll take one or wait.

It's a shame Chestwig overstated his case by using the term "the vaccine has caused" - there is no evidence at present of a link between the vaccines and spontaneous terminations, that said there are reports on the MHRA yellow card scheme of "abortions spontaneous" there were 42 up to last week after the Pfizer jab, report is here,

https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/978316/050421_PF_DAP.pdf

You need to scroll down to page 48 for this data, the point is, these vaccines are still being trialled, (in the general public) the original trials didn't include pregnant women, so the only data available is that reported by those in the general population who are now being jabbed, I would imagine the number of pregnant women being jabbed is still relatively low so the fact that 42 have had serious problems deserves investigation.

AZ data is here,

https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/978315/050421_AZ_DAP.pdf

page 60, 19 to date.

 

"Any pregnant woman that puts that in her body is a mug" maybe a provocative statement but I can't disagree, I would image most pregnant women are between 18 and 40 so are at very low risk from Covid, the fact these are still experimental not fully licensed vaccines with little data on the effects on pregnancy and childbirth should cause any woman to seriously question whether to take them. The idea that this argument is closed and "fact-checkers" can reassure you because "There is no evidence to suggest COVID-19 vaccines increase the risk of miscarriage" is crazy, how can there be definitive evidence when the evidence is still being collected? Peoples desire to see an end to this is clouding their ability to process simple facts.

 

 

 

 

[BobWillis2]

Yeah but variants

[stuartbert two hats]

22 minutes ago, BobWillis2 said:

Yeah but variants

Hang on a minute. This "it's just variant porn" narrative is off the mark. Yes, there hasn't yet been a variant that looks likely to make a dent in vaccine acquired immunity, but the idea that variants are just some made up overblown nonsense pushed by "fake SAGE" is incorrect.

There has already been a variant responsible for many thousands of death. It achieved this through greater infectivity rather than greater severity of disease or the ability to escape vaccines. It is, of course known as B.1.1.7, or the "Kent variant"

In this country, we had NPIs that were controlling the original variant, but were not sufficient to control the new variant, combined with a slow to act government in denial, exponential growth did its thing and we had well over a thousand dying every single day for a sustained period.  That would not have happened with the Wuhan variant.

So, yeah "but variants" is valid. This is a fast paced environment and the evidence that comes in is patchy. Just because it's turned out the vaccines have indeed held up very well in terms of preventing serious disease (via cellular immunity), that doesn't mean we should ignore the issues with variants evading antibodies. After all, we want to keep prevalence down to protect the immunocompromised.

Does this mean we should assume lockdown will continue forever? No. Does that mean that variants are a non-issue and always will be? Also no.

[Paul ™]

1st jab done 😬

[ShakeyCrash]

7 minutes ago, stuartbert two hats said:

Hang on a minute. This "it's just variant porn" narrative is off the mark. Yes, there hasn't yet been a variant that looks likely to make a dent in vaccine acquired immunity, but the idea that variants are just some made up overblown nonsense pushed by "fake SAGE" is incorrect.

There has already been a variant responsible for many thousands of death. It achieved this through greater infectivity rather than greater severity of disease or the ability to escape vaccines. It is, of course known as B.1.1.7, or the "Kent variant"

In this country, we had NPIs that were controlling the original variant, but were not sufficient to control the new variant, combined with a slow to act government in denial, exponential growth did its thing and we had well over a thousand dying every single day for a sustained period.  That would not have happened with the Wuhan variant.

So, yeah "but variants" is valid. This is a fast paced environment and the evidence that comes in is patchy. Just because it's turned out the vaccines have indeed held up very well in terms of preventing serious disease (via cellular immunity), that doesn't mean we should ignore the issues with variants evading antibodies. After all, we want to keep prevalence down to protect the immunocompromised.

Does this mean we should assume lockdown will continue forever? No. Does that mean that variants are a non-issue and always will be? Also no.

Totally agree. A lot of the time i find a lot of the information really useful, it’s just the accompanying comments that are off the mark. I get frustrations but we have a lot of spinning plates and need to keep an eye on them all, and not just assume that just because one of them doesn’t fall they all wont

[BobWillis2]

8 minutes ago, stuartbert two hats said:

In this country, we had NPIs that were controlling the original variant, but were not sufficient to control the new variant, combined with a slow to act government in denial, exponential growth did its thing and we had well over a thousand dying every single day for a sustained period.  That would not have happened with the Wuhan variant.

You say that as if it’s a fact. 
 

We will never know how bad the “wuhan variant” would have been going into the period in this country when respiratory viruses run wild because it wasn’t here yet. 
 

They’ve already had to admit it wasn’t more deadly as they proclaimed in front of the worlds press. So why should we believe that it’s more infectious? They also said it so infectious we would struggle to get R under 1 even with a lockdown and cases plummeted as soon as went into lockdown. 
 

“Oh but look at x country which is now seeing lots of cases of the UK variant” 

Yes, because they had loosened restrictions and had poor vaccine rollouts. The “Wuhan variant” also ran wild at the same time last year incase people have forgotten.  

The vaccines have done their job the pandemic is over in this country. 
 

[stuartbert two hats]

3 minutes ago, ShakeyCrash said:

Totally agree. A lot of the time i find a lot of the information really useful, it’s just the accompanying comments that are off the mark. I get frustrations but we have a lot of spinning plates and need to keep an eye on them all, and not just assume that just because one of them doesn’t fall they all wont

I'm reasonably optimistic that variants won't cause a significant threat against a vaccinated population FWIW. But if we think about the fight against COVID on three fronts - infection, disease and onward spread, it does appear that variants can have a significant effect on initial infection rates. Luckily, without causing disease or onward spread, we're still in a really good position. But it's certainly worth keeping an eye on.  

[ShakeyCrash]

1 minute ago, stuartbert two hats said:

I'm reasonably optimistic that variants won't cause a significant threat against a vaccinated population FWIW. But if we think about the fight against COVID on three fronts - infection, disease and onward spread, it does appear that variants can have a significant effect on initial infection rates. Luckily, without causing disease or onward spread, we're still in a really good position. But it's certainly worth keeping an eye on.  

Yes, as am i but there’s still some concerns due to the changing picture of this darn thing. I was convinced about the good weather driving down transmission but all it took was a conversation with my Mum who said “but what about Spain and italy, isn’t it hot there right now” to make me think “oh bugger, this may not be as straight forward as I’ve been bagging on for for ages!”
People’s anxieties and frustrations are just being transferred to the tellers of things they don’t want to hear, but it’s not their fault

[chestwig]

16 hours ago, Barry Fish said:

Bellend anti vaxxers 

What makes you think I'm antivax?

I've had pretty much every single vaccine going... Including advisory only ones...

I suppose people like yourself can only think in binary ways? If someone doesn't want this particular vaccine, that makes them anti vax does it? 

This particular vaccine is not safe and certainly a real danger for pregnant women and thier unborn children.

 

[steviewevie]

1 hour ago, BobWillis2 said:

The vaccines have done their job the pandemic is over in this country. 

maybe

[steviewevie]

yeah but variants.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/apr/16/what-are-the-new-covid-variants-and-what-do-they-mean-for-the-pandemic