When will this shit end?

[Matt42]

14 minutes ago, Fuzzy Afro said:

 

You guys realise there’s 25,000 fans going to the actual superbowl and apparently the clubs and bars in downtown Tampa have been packed all week?

Yup. Florida literally doesn’t give a shit about COVID.

[xxialac]

12 minutes ago, Fuzzy Afro said:

 

You guys realise there’s 25,000 fans going to the actual superbowl and apparently the clubs and bars in downtown Tampa have been packed all week?

I can't work out whether to be horrified or to be slightly encouraged that they've been doing this all season without evident outbreaks.

The optics don't look good, that's for sure and I suspect the spreading will happen, even if not in the stadium itself.

[Ozanne]

Wrestlemania haș been moved to Florida too in 2 months, WWE plans on having a bout 20k in attendance for that.

Edited February 7, 2021 by Ozanne

[sisco]

2 minutes ago, Ozanne said:

Wrestlemania haș been moved to Florida too in 2 months, WWE plans on having a bout 20k in attendance for that.

I’d imagine more go to DisneyWorld, Universal and Seaworld etc... on a daily basis

[Matt42]

Here’s a thought from a conversation I just had with my friend.

Do you think compliance with rules is going to slip in young people, when gradually their parents, grandparents and older members of their family receive the vaccine? I’m not asserting that most people are selfish, but hasn’t the message towards young people throughout this whole thing been “don’t kill your granny”.

I honestly think the government are going to have a real real challenge trying to convince youngsters to stay home.

[sisco]

Just now, Matt42 said:

Here’s a thought from a conversation I just had with my friend.

Do you think compliance with rules is going to slip in young people, when gradually their parents, grandparents and older members of their family receive the vaccine? I’m not asserting that most people are selfish, but hasn’t the message towards young people throughout this whole thing been “don’t kill your granny”.

I honestly think the government are going to have a real real challenge trying to convince youngsters to stay home.

100%.  Most will stick to rules but if you can’t see people even with a Vaccine then.... what’s the point? What are we waiting for? (Will be the general consensus) 

[gizmoman]

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/13977103/experts-weddings-crowds-sports-events-social-distancing/

 

 

[xxialac]

Just now, sisco said:

100%.  Most will stick to rules but if you can’t see people even with a Vaccine then.... what’s the point? What are we waiting for? (Will be the general consensus) 

However you will be able to see people with a Vaccine.

'Seeing people' is very different to a mass-events-no-attempts-to-social-distance-anywhere-free-for-all

[sisco]

Just now, xxialac said:

However you will be able to see people with a Vaccine.

'Seeing people' is very different to a mass-events-no-attempts-to-social-distance-anywhere-free-for-all

Was answering the question tbf, not talking about big events. 

[stuartbert two hats]

Just now, sisco said:

100%.  Most will stick to rules but if you can’t see people even with a Vaccine then.... what’s the point? What are we waiting for? (Will be the general consensus) 

Absolutely. I can't see the point in not visiting my Mum once she's had her second vaccine and I think we shouldn't have ever finished the second lockdown and have started listening to biotech podcasts.

If they really think we need to stay home in a couple of months, a stronger case needs to be put to the public.

[Matt42]

3 minutes ago, sisco said:

100%.  Most will stick to rules but if you can’t see people even with a Vaccine then.... what’s the point? What are we waiting for? (Will be the general consensus) 

 

1 minute ago, stuartbert two hats said:

Absolutely. I can't see the point in not visiting my Mum once she's had her second vaccine and I think we shouldn't have ever finished the second lockdown and have started listening to biotech podcasts.

If they really think we need to stay home in a couple of months, a stronger case needs to be put to the public.

yes - good point.

Maybe I was coming from more of a nihilistic angle - but when the vulnerable members of your family have had protection you’re going to feel less guilty about bending rules. Once the threat of you losing your family members goes down I don’t see how the government are going to win in that battle. We will see a summer of illegal races and parties. SAGE are merely dumb if they think this isn’t going to happen.

[xxialac]

2 minutes ago, Matt42 said:

 

yes - good point.

Maybe I was coming from more of a nihilistic angle - but when the vulnerable members of your family have had protection you’re going to feel less guilty about bending rules. Once the threat of you losing your family members goes down I don’t see how the government are going to win in that battle. We will see a summer of illegal races and parties. SAGE are merely dumb if they think this isn’t going to happen.

SAGE aren't the police. Their job is to advise government on the best course of action and just because they state a case for society behaving a certain way, it doesn't mean they naively assume there will be compliance.

[Chapple12345]

3 minutes ago, Matt42 said:

 

yes - good point.

Maybe I was coming from more of a nihilistic angle - but when the vulnerable members of your family have had protection you’re going to feel less guilty about bending rules. Once the threat of you losing your family members goes down I don’t see how the government are going to win in that battle. We will see a summer of illegal races and parties. SAGE are merely dumb if they think this isn’t going to happen.

I absolutely agree with this, I dont intend to go to illegal raves and parties but once I'm allowed to socialise with my loved ones I will be, I've missed so many people desperately so to see them again will be a real help to my wellbeing - the issue is the if the scientists had their way wed be locked up for the rest of the year but so many people wont agree to it, they need to be realistic that people arent going to listen for too much longer I think 

[Chawk]

10 minutes ago, stuartbert two hats said:

Absolutely. I can't see the point in not visiting my Mum once she's had her second vaccine and I think we shouldn't have ever finished the second lockdown and have started listening to biotech podcasts.

If they really think we need to stay home in a couple of months, a stronger case needs to be put to the public.

Any podcast recommendations?

[Ryan1984]

7 minutes ago, xxialac said:

SAGE aren't the police. Their job is to advise government on the best course of action and just because they state a case for society behaving a certain way, it doesn't mean they naively assume there will be compliance.

And as a few scientists have pointed out (including Whitty/Vallance), there is a time when it will become a political decision as to what is deemed an ‘acceptable’ level of deaths/cases.
 

Two weeks tomorrow we get Spaffer’s roadmap, which should answer some of our questions. No doubt there will be some leaks during half term to test the water as well.

[stuartbert two hats]

10 minutes ago, Chawk said:

Any podcast recommendations?

Talking Biotech

The Week In Virology

 

[aj6658]

35 minutes ago, Matt42 said:

Here’s a thought from a conversation I just had with my friend.

Do you think compliance with rules is going to slip in young people, when gradually their parents, grandparents and older members of their family receive the vaccine? I’m not asserting that most people are selfish, but hasn’t the message towards young people throughout this whole thing been “don’t kill your granny”.

I honestly think the government are going to have a real real challenge trying to convince youngsters to stay home.

I’m in my 20s and once my parents are vaccinated I will become more relaxed in my approach. I moved back home since the pandemic and I have followed the rules strictly. I didn’t even go to the gym when it was allowed as it made my dad uncomfortable. 

but I’m burnt out with all of this. I feel like life is slipping by me. The question is once the highest risk people are taken care of with the vaccine, why do we need any restrictions? (Note:I believe in a longer lockdown as I think once tiers hit they’re not gonna be effective. )
 

I’m of the opinion once everyone above 50 to s vaccinate with 2 doses then tier 1 everywhere and then no restrictions internally soon thereafter. 
 

If we can’t enjoy life as it was pre-covid with this vaccine then what’s the point?  As much as I sound like one of those foul anti-lockdown lot but there has to come a point where you have to move on with our lives. I know I can say that safely as someone who’s not a risk. 

Edited February 8, 2021 by aj6658

[Toilet Duck]

14 minutes ago, stuartbert two hats said:

Talking Biotech

The Week In Virology

 

Is that the guy from Columbia? If so, his podcasts can be excellent...I don’t always agree with him, but he has good guests on and they really get into it! (Not always agreeing with each other is basically what scientists do!)...

[Gacheezbo]

39 minutes ago, Matt42 said:

Here’s a thought from a conversation I just had with my friend.

Do you think compliance with rules is going to slip in young people, when gradually their parents, grandparents and older members of their family receive the vaccine? I’m not asserting that most people are selfish, but hasn’t the message towards young people throughout this whole thing been “don’t kill your granny”.

I honestly think the government are going to have a real real challenge trying to convince youngsters to stay home.

Definitely think there's already more of a slip in compliance in young people if I'm looking at my immediate circles compared to last time. Seeing general attitude comprising of a few things

• We did this last year, not our fault if the government fucked it up, not giving up any more time of my "prime years"
• Most vulnerable have now been vaccinated, other groups in process, so I don't see a problem popping round to so and so's flat for a couple of beers.

Not saying I agree with this, but at the same time I can't think of good enough reasons to argue against it

[xxialac]

6 minutes ago, Gacheezbo said:

Definitely think there's already more of a slip in compliance in young people if I'm looking at my immediate circles compared to last time. Seeing general attitude comprising of a few things

• We did this last year, not our fault if the government fucked it up, not giving up any more time of my "prime years"
• Most vulnerable have now been vaccinated, other groups in process, so I don't see a problem popping round to so and so's flat for a couple of beers.

Not saying I agree with this, but at the same time I can't think of good enough reasons to argue against it

The argument against, as I understand it, is that the vaccine will not be a silver bullet 

- many people will refuse the vaccine

- many people can't have the vaccine

- variants will reduce the effectiveness of the vaccine

- giving up on social distancing and bubbles will mean a huge jump in cases

All leading to another major wave in the Autumn and high numbers of hundreds dying every day.

What scientists are forecasting may not be right but I don't think it should be dismissed out of hand, given the source. 

[stuartbert two hats]

18 minutes ago, Toilet Duck said:

Is that the guy from Columbia? If so, his podcasts can be excellent...I don’t always agree with him, but he has good guests on and they really get into it! (Not always agreeing with each other is basically what scientists do!)...

I'm not sure. It's mainly going over my head, but interesting to be sure:

And I had the name slightly wrong. It's "This Week In Virology"

[stuartbert two hats]

6 minutes ago, xxialac said:

The argument against, as I understand it, is that the vaccine will not be a silver bullet 

- many people will refuse the vaccine

- many people can't have the vaccine

- variants will reduce the effectiveness of the vaccine

- giving up on social distancing and bubbles will mean a huge jump in cases

All leading to another major wave in the Autumn and high numbers of hundreds dying every day.

What scientists are forecasting may not be right but I don't think it should be dismissed out of hand, given the source. 

Not a major wave.

[Toilet Duck]

6 minutes ago, stuartbert two hats said:

I'm not sure. It's mainly going over my head, but interesting to be sure:

And I had the name slightly wrong. It's "This Week In Virology"

Yeah, that’s him, Vincent Racaniello, he’s good!

[xxialac]

12 minutes ago, stuartbert two hats said:

Not a major wave.

Yeah, they are saying that it will be a major wave with an end to restrictions.

"In both scenarios a relaxation over three months results in a resurgence in hospital admissions that is larger than that seen in January 2020."

No clue whether they're right but both Imperial and Warwick are forecasting this.

Part of their argument is that we have some restrictions, we avoid this and we avoid having to have another lockdown.

 

[Memory Man]

As others have said i think the govt will find it hard to impose restrictions in any form once all uk adults have been offered both doses and they’ve had time to work. (International travel excepted for obvious reasons) 

Add to that its fairly clear the govt don't want restrictions either and clearly there is a level of death they are willing to tolerate. 

Sadly someones job will be to determine the numbers of deaths and hospitalisations that are “tolerable” just like the fact that people die each year from seasonal flu & pneumonia. No ordinary people batted an eyelid at these numbers or even knew what they were before this pandemic, it was just accepted.

as long as vaccines can be amended and administered annually to deal with new variants are we not fine? Then we need to do our bit in getting the rest of the world vaccinated.

no one who has taken the vaccines will spare much of a thought for those who have refused it. The consequences will be on them.

Edited February 8, 2021 by Memory Man