When will this shit end?

[danmarks]

10 minutes ago, topmarksbri said:

Thanks 🥰

If you think that masks help stop transmission but choose not wear them in confined public places then you're happy for the virus to spread through the population. If you don't think that masks help to stop spread then you're choosing to ignore the evidence.

But this is the point. Not mixing stops the spread so to follow your logic to the extreme anyone who goes out to a public place is somehow in the wrong.

If it is down to personal and choice and the individual believes they arent likely to have the virus (dble jabbed pr whatever) let alone pass it on (large outside events) then it is down to them to do as they see is the right thing.

If people start shouting about - you have no respect for anyone else- i cant see many people saying 'you know what, i havent thought about this at all before.  You are right and i will change my ways immediately. ' it's gonna be a 'fuck off ' and once again chances for reasonable debate and conversations are closed down. Not just about this but it will create huge differences of opinions where sides are going to be taken when there should be no sides.

If you truly believe even 5percent of people wear a mask correctly that would make the difference you believe then i would suggest ypu may be mistaken.

Touch the mask- makes it a hotbed. Move it under your nose, on your chin. Remove it and put it back on. Wear it for more than (advice was 45 minutes but that got stretched to four hours in non clinical settings during the great mask shortage 2020) its basically stopping nothing. 

At that point it is purely a tokenism act.

[nikkic]

1 hour ago, Havors said:

Got unlucky with a jobsworth at the walk in centre it seems. I got mine 7 weeks and partner 6 weeks. 

 

1 hour ago, northernringo said:

Northern Ireland!

Our guidance over here is 6 weeks for Pfizer and 8 for AZ. I got mine 6 weeks to the day from my first dose.

So annoying.

Might try a different centre. 

 

[Gingerfish79]

35 minutes ago, JoeyT said:

I've not deleted the app but I have turned off the contact tracing which I guess in turn makes the app useless anyhow?

How do you turn it off? on mine it can only be paused by up to 12 hours.

[topmarksbri]

23 minutes ago, danmarks said:

Not mixing stops the spread so to follow your logic to the extreme anyone who goes out to a public place is somehow in the wrong.

Right but this greatly impacts the individual not going out - having to wear a mask on public transport isn't the same as asking people not to leave the house. I'm really not sure what the big drama is about wearing a mask in certain situations?

25 minutes ago, danmarks said:

 

If you truly believe even 5percent of people wear a mask correctly that would make the difference you believe then i would suggest ypu may be mistaken.

Got a source for this?

[JoeyT]

6 minutes ago, Gingerfish79 said:

How do you turn it off? on mine it can only be paused by up to 12 hours.

Good question as I can't remember exactly but pretty sure if you do it for any duration it prompts you to switch tracing back on once time is up and you can press to say no.

It's something along those lines anyway.

[kalifire]

New Zealand already considering putting UK on a no-fly list. Other countries will inevitably follow.

One of the consequences of the UK taking the decision to allow millions to be infected with Covid is it will isolate itself from countries who'd prefer not to let UK domestic policy impact their strategies.

[steviewevie]

Just now, kalifire said:

New Zealand already considering putting UK on a no-fly list. Other countries will inevitably follow.

One of the consequences of the UK taking the decision to allow millions to be infected with Covid is it will isolate itself from countries who'd prefer not to let UK domestic policy impact their strategies.

yeah...I can see this being an issue for those countries who's holiday resorts really need british tourists...

[lemons]

If you get covid and recover , could lft still show as positive for a while after? 

[steviewevie]

We're about to carry out a full on real world test of the vaccines...cases rising, a large percentage of country vaccinated, and very few restrictions.

[fraybentos1]

3 minutes ago, kalifire said:

New Zealand already considering putting UK on a no-fly list. Other countries will inevitably follow.

One of the consequences of the UK taking the decision to allow millions to be infected with Covid is it will isolate itself from countries who'd prefer not to let UK domestic policy impact their strategies.

Is anyone even getting in to NZ from the Uk at the moment anyway? People are mainly going to be going from here to Europe and their cases are about to rise as well as delta takes hold as they open up.

[st dan]

3 minutes ago, lemons said:

If you get covid and recover , could lft still show as positive for a while after? 

It can still show as positive for up to 90 days on a lateral flow. 

[Zoo Music Girl]

I still use the app (contact tracing and check-in) and intend to carry on doing so, but that's mainly because of the immunocompromised people in my life and wanting to do everything I can to avoid giving it to them (as well as doing LFTs before meeting them). But I've got to say it does seem a bit ridiculous to keep up the whole test and trace project when the government strategy is basically to let it rip and trust the vaccines. As @DeanoL has said, it only really makes sense to do contact tracing when trying to reduce the spread.

[zahidf]

Basically, millions of people aren't going to cancel their plans if they get a ping when they are double jabbed or dont have symptoms. Most hopefully will do tests and will isolate when they test positive. 

 

[JoeyT]

Even though guilty of this myself, it's a bit odd that they allow you to turn off contact tracing through the app isn't it?

Surely it should really be a case of if you've got the app it's on no matter what etc.

[incident]

2 minutes ago, JoeyT said:

Even though guilty of this myself, it's a bit odd that they allow you to turn off contact tracing through the app isn't it?

Surely it should really be a case of if you've got the app it's on no matter what etc.

No - Firstly because there's multiple legitimate reasons as to why you'd turn contact tracing off (which are even stated in the app). Secondly because even if the App itself didn't allow you to, the phone Settings app (on Android at least) does allow you to and even if it didn't simply turning off Bluetooth on the phone has the same net effect.

Edited July 7, 2021 by incident

[danmarks]

1 hour ago, topmarksbri said:

Right but this greatly impacts the individual not going out - having to wear a mask on public transport isn't the same as asking people not to leave the house. I'm really not sure what the big drama is about wearing a mask in certain situations?

Got a source for this?

Nhs. Being i work in it and have been be9ng briefed since last march

[Guest]

25 minutes ago, Zoo Music Girl said:

I still use the app (contact tracing and check-in) and intend to carry on doing so, but that's mainly because of the immunocompromised people in my life and wanting to do everything I can to avoid giving it to them (as well as doing LFTs before meeting them). But I've got to say it does seem a bit ridiculous to keep up the whole test and trace project when the government strategy is basically to let it rip and trust the vaccines. As @DeanoL has said, it only really makes sense to do contact tracing when trying to reduce the spread.

This is where I am with it as well, it does seem odd to keep it going but I’ll still keep the app on etc I realise I’m fortunate that if I get pinged I can still work at home though and not everyone has that ability. 

[topmarksbri]

6 minutes ago, danmarks said:

Nhs. Being i work in it and have been be9ng briefed since last march

Sorry man, but I don't think taking your word for it is a reliable source. If you have anything that we can read about it then different matter. 

[danmarks]

2 minutes ago, topmarksbri said:

Sorry man, but I don't think taking your word for it is a reliable source. If you have anything that we can read about it then different matter. 

Absolutely no worries. 

The 5percent is my guess work to make clear on people not touching ,removing ,putting in  pockets, keeping on all day etc. 

Ill have a root around my work emails and see what i can find although boringly a lot of it was done with a teaching session as required. Up there with a what order to take gloves, aprons etc off without contaminating stuff. 

A particular highlight was having marines tell us about new masks (the top end stuff) and having to lose my stubble.

Whilst on that subject- wearing gloves is almost totally pointless in public too due to the way people wear them. 

And i ageee , wearing masks in certain situations - public transport etc totally realistic.

In pubs and clubs - very much a grey area. Its been wearing them just to visit the loo etc for 6 weeks. I cant see losing that bit will make much difference tbh.

 

[danmarks]

https://www.ouh.nhs.uk/working-for-us/staff/covid-staff-faqs-masks.aspx

 

 

Not my trust but generic nhs advice. 

Bin mask after removal or touching the inside. That isnt happening in the real world.

 There's other bits in there. Im trying to find about the 45 minutes effectiveness. Obviously this link says no hard and fast rules but we have been told differently repeatedly. 

[topmarksbri]

6 minutes ago, Barry Fish said:

But that is fundamentally not true unless you believe masks stop all transmission ?

Just because something doesn't completely stop something doesn't mean it doesn't help, it's not binary. 

7 minutes ago, Barry Fish said:

Why are you putting masks higher than the vaccine would be my question

I'm not? I think everyone who can should get the vaccine. Again, what's the drama with wearing a mask in enclosed public spaces for the time being while cases are rising so quickly? Masks are for the vast vast majority at most a minor inconvenience. 

[topmarksbri]

1 minute ago, danmarks said:

https://www.ouh.nhs.uk/working-for-us/staff/covid-staff-faqs-masks.aspx

 

 

Not my trust but generic nhs advice. 

Bin mask after removal or touching the inside. That isnt happening in the real world.

 There's other bits in there. Im trying to find about the 45 minutes effectiveness. Obviously this link says no hard and fast rules but we have been told differently repeatedly. 

Appreciate it. Some mask wearing is still better than none at all even if it's not done perfectly though right? Touching this also interesting, I was under the impression that fomite transmission is basically nonexistent. 

[danmarks]

https://www.healthline.com/health/coronavirus-mask#types-of-masks

Another generic link. How masks are not a total preventing cure all.

Have found the bit about time of masks being useful but can't copy the link. Will keep trying. 

[danmarks]

1 minute ago, topmarksbri said:

Appreciate it. Some mask wearing is still better than none at all even if it's not done perfectly though right? Touching this also interesting, I was under the impression that fomite transmission is basically nonexistent. 

Yep course it is. 

But i worry that battle lines will be drawn over things that actually dont make that much difference. Not on about public transport and stuff. For the time being totally valid view but the general in public bit. We have all come so far it is just a shame to have these drawing lines in the sand opposing views. As someone said earlier in this thread - we mostly all want the same thing- just may take a slightly different path to get there. 

[Guest]

36 minutes ago, danmarks said:

Nhs. Being i work in it and have been be9ng briefed since last march

I just wanna say thanks for all your hard work through the pandemic, I can only imagine how tough things must have been at times.