When will this shit end?

[jparx]

9 minutes ago, Cream Soda said:

Isn't it only contact for 15 mins or more or have I got that wrong?  So it wouldn't include people brushing past you etc.

I thought it was 15 minutes at under 2m or anytime at under 1m?

[Sasperella]

44 minutes ago, Zoo Music Girl said:

Oh yeah I've definitely been within 2m of people in the shops and park etc (hard to avoid in many cases, especially when they barge past you) but these aren't people I could report to the tracers because I don't know who they are). In terms of being able to give contactable names to tracers I just wonder how many could give any of use if they've not been doing loads of socialising or working close with people. I guess schools will be most relevant.

Ok, so now I think I'm confused... Is the track and trace not linked to the app? I guess not. I guess as lockdown is eased we might be coming more into contact with people we do know?

EDIT: Just realised that @zahidf's posted tweet answers that question! No wonder it's confusing and makes no sense!!

Edited May 28, 2020 by Sasperella

[zahidf]

47 minutes ago, Deaf Nobby Burton said:

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/ncna1215481

I fear we don’t know nearly enough about asymptomatic spread for track and trace to be effective. Given the information in that article something far more effective would simply be mandatory face coverings in public places, shops etc.

Weston General was closed because 40% of a portion of staff dealing with Covid tester positive, all asymptomatic.

The Premier League have been testing staff twice a week and have turned up 12 positive tests, all asymptomatic.

Its clear its mostly asymptomatic, magnified even further amongst under 45s, so I fear track and trace will be pissing in the wind somewhat.

 

Tbf, 12 from 2500 tests (with no evidence of further spread) is a relatively good result and enough for the footie to go back

[priest17]

Can't believe some of the sacreligious posts about pubs here. 

[philipsteak]

The government messaging is clearly working well then...

[Cream Soda]

1 minute ago, jparx said:

I thought it was 15 minutes at under 2m or anytime at under 1m?

Oh right, I didn't realise that.  Do phones still need to be unlocked though?  Not much chance of that while walking past people in the street, etc.

2 minutes ago, Sasperella said:

Ok, so now I think I'm confused... Is the track and trace not linked to the app? I guess not. I guess as lockdown is eased we might be coming more into contact with people we do know?

I think they are starting off without the app and introducing that at a later date.

[jparx]

My MP has replied with a cut and paste reply, essentially a load of waffle saying she supported Cummings after hearing the explanation on Monday. That despite admitting to have received many angry emails from constituents. Not like she was voted in by her constituents and her job is to represent them is it?

[jparx]

1 minute ago, Cream Soda said:

Oh right, I didn't realise that.  Do phones still need to be unlocked though?  Not much chance of that while walking past people in the street, etc.

I believe so yeah. And don't take my word as gospel on this - just my understanding. Doesn't seem to be all that clear (shocker). 

[Crazyfool01]

5 minutes ago, stuartbert two hats said:

Yeah, I plan on reporting my mother in law if she stands a little close to me.

you could call the police  

 

 

[MrZigster]

12 hours ago, Matt42 said:

I find this counter argument that the media should not be holding the government accountable very very very concerning. 

As I've said. They DARVO. Classic abusive behaviour. Deny any wrongdoing. Accuse the accusers. Reverse Victim and Offender.

"He did nothing wrong. Aren't the press bullies. They won't leave us alone".

Same thing happened with Windrush.

"It wasn't us that was supposed to keep records. It was you. It's your fault you're being deported".

Amber Rudd's head rolled for that one even though it was Theresa May as Home Secretary who ignored the advice not to destroy old landing cards without making copies (both options being deemed more expensive than just binning them iirc).

Logical conclusion: We have an abusive government.

8 hours ago, DeanoL said:

I think there will be a degree of adaptation that might initially be uncomfortable. Inviting those "pub mates" into your home for the first time, socialising without booze (because you don't want to get public transport home) - little things we have to get used to, so we can see people.

I think this is where there's a genuine existential crisis for pubs, should people be allowed to start socialising in small groups before pubs re-open. Those pubs that exist solely to provide such a venue for meeting up (so don't offer entertainment, etc) are going to struggle as "pub" at the very least no longer becomes the default setting for many groups to meet up.

Yeah, I don't think that bit in bold will happen for various reasons .

I can see my little scene of wandering 'round between various band hosting pubs every weekend taking a long time to come back. And I may have to avoid it when it does.

31 minutes ago, crazyfool1 said:

Oh and obviously all the elderly tottering around care homes with smart phones on their smart Zimmer frames 

I still don't have a smart phone. Guess I'm fucked then 

[Guest]

6 minutes ago, Cream Soda said:

Oh right, I didn't realise that.  Do phones still need to be unlocked though?  Not much chance of that while walking past people in the street, etc.

I think they are starting off without the app and introducing that at a later date.

From what I read phones have to be unlocked and the app opened. Surely that’s changed though as it would be next to useless.

 

Like others have said the app isn’t launching with the test and trace scheme launch as it isn’t ready. 

[Brownie30]

https://www.ft.com/content/6b4c784e-c259-4ca4-9a82-648ffde71bf0

Devastating report in the FT today. Would urge you to read this. 

[DeanoL]

1 hour ago, Zoo Music Girl said:

But we're not supposed be within 2m of anyone outside our household are we? So in theory that should be a very low amount of people. In theory.

Except for if you can't work from home, which is millions of people. Who have been going to work as instructed.  And this number will increase as more things open up in the next few weeks. Many of those people are also getting public transport to work.

1 hour ago, Cream Soda said:

This will only be temporary though (I hope), I mean we will eventually get through this virus one way or the other we just need enough pubs to be clinging on when we get to the other side.  No reason why people won't want to go out again after that.  Maybe many won't survive but we will get an influx of new ones opening in the future?

The issue is once people adapt to alternative social options, they may not go back. They may end up preferring socialising at home, etc.

[Guest]

7 minutes ago, Brownie30 said:

https://www.ft.com/content/6b4c784e-c259-4ca4-9a82-648ffde71bf0

Devastating report in the FT today. Would urge you to read this. 

That’s horrible to read. 

[zahidf]

14 minutes ago, jparx said:

My MP has replied with a cut and paste reply, essentially a load of waffle saying she supported Cummings after hearing the explanation on Monday. That despite admitting to have received many angry emails from constituents. Not like she was voted in by her constituents and her job is to represent them is it?

What a joke. I'd keep sending her emails: say you agree with labour that he should accept he made a mistake and should resign so we can all move one, and if she disagrees, you will never vote for her again. 

[jparx]

3 minutes ago, Brownie30 said:

https://www.ft.com/content/6b4c784e-c259-4ca4-9a82-648ffde71bf0

Devastating report in the FT today. Would urge you to read this. 

Jesus Christ. 

Was reading that as the BBC had a report about people taking 3 weeks to receive food vouchers, which people then couldn't even redeem in supermarkets.

If ever something could perfectly highlight the need to high quality, well funded public services, this is it. And we have the exact opposite type of government we need to handle this. The longer this goes on, and the more that comes out, the more I think the Tories could be severely damaged by this for a long time to come. 

When the dust settles here and we have the inevitable inquiry, I think a lot of heads will roll. People were generally giving them the benefit of doubt for the first month, but that seems like it's rapidly going down the drain.

[jyoung]

8 minutes ago, MrZigster said:

As I've said. They DARVO. Classic abusive behaviour. Deny any wrongdoing. Accuse the accusers. Reverse Victim and Offender.

"He did nothing wrong. Aren't the press bullies. They won't leave us alone".

Same thing happened with Windrush.

"It wasn't us that was supposed to keep records. It was you. It's your fault you're being deported".

Amber Rudd's head rolled for that one even though it was Theresa May as Home Secretary who ignored the advice not to destroy old landing cards without making copies (both options being deemed more expensive than just binning them iirc).

Logical conclusion: We have an abusive government.

Spot on, my friend. Very disturbing behaviour.

[zahidf]

Very good from starmer

 

[Andre91]

South Korea has seen a ‘spike’ of 79 cases and is considering reintroducing harsher lockdown measures. Meanwhile, the UK saw over 10,000 new cases from Monday - Thursday last week and is talking about letting everyone go down the pub if they stay 1m apart. 
 

I’m really starting to think that the only way we will ever get this lot out is for a vigilante group to storm parliament and fix their heads onto pikes. 

[Deaf Nobby Burton]

19 minutes ago, zahidf said:

Tbf, 12 from 2500 tests (with no evidence of further spread) is a relatively good result and enough for the footie to go back

I’m not questioning that, I agree, just the fact that they’re consistently asymptomatic... and if they weren’t doing the testing then it would just be spreading between them completely unknown. None of them have been tested since March, so you have to assume a rolling percentage of them have been getting it without knowing... all completely asymptomatic.

Edited May 28, 2020 by Deaf Nobby Burton

[Cream Soda]

2 minutes ago, DeanoL said:

The issue is once people adapt to alternative social options, they may not go back. They may end up preferring socialising at home, etc.

I don't think that will be the case long term.  People are already getting sick of being stuck at home, I just can't see people losing the desire to ever go out.  

[Cream Soda]

5 minutes ago, Andre91 said:

South Korea has seen a ‘spike’ of 79 cases and is considering reintroducing harsher lockdown measures. Meanwhile, the UK saw over 10,000 new cases from Monday - Thursday last week and is talking about letting everyone go down the pub if they stay 1m apart. 

Is it the right thing to do to lockdown again over 79 cases though?  Cases are never going to be zero, at least not for the foreseeable.  79 over a whole country isn't that many and could still be manageable with social distancing etc and don't they have a good track/test system there also?   Maybe there is a balance somewhere in between.

[stuartbert two hats]

7 minutes ago, Cream Soda said:

Is it the right thing to do to lockdown again over 79 cases though?  Cases are never going to be zero, at least not for the foreseeable.  79 over a whole country isn't that many and could still be manageable with social distancing etc and don't they have a good track/test system there also?   Maybe there is a balance somewhere in between.

There probably is a balance, but the point is that we're way way out there on the other extreme.

[Zoo Music Girl]

19 minutes ago, DeanoL said:

Except for if you can't work from home, which is millions of people. Who have been going to work as instructed.  And this number will increase as more things open up in the next few weeks. Many of those people are also getting public transport to work.

The issue is once people adapt to alternative social options, they may not go back. They may end up preferring socialising at home, 

Yes but most workplaces should be enacting social distancing (I know they won't but that's supposed to be the case). Public transport irrelevant to current track and trace because you won't know contact details for who you come in contact with. 

I imagine schools will be the main target of this scheme.

[Guest]