2021 Headliners

[Matt42]

Just now, Cream Soda said:

Maybe you are the one who might need to change their attitude?  It is possible to have an adult conversation without speaking to people like shit you know.

 

7 minutes ago, Cream Soda said:

Do you know him then?  

And this wasn’t passive aggressive?

[fatyeti24]

Just now, Matt42 said:

Well maybe change your attitude to listen to victims then instead of defending your favourite lad when you don’t know shit

People are afforded the right to innocence until proven otherwise, or as in this case just a few minutes ago, they admit their crimes.

It doesn't mean people aren't listening to the victims, it's just how the law works.

You obviously heard the news first and passed it on.  You've done your good deed for the day, no need to get on your high horse about it.

[Cream Soda]

3 minutes ago, Matt42 said:

Is this a gendered thing? He voluntarily stepped down from the band and then the news broke of a court hearing. I don’t get why the response was still defending him?

I didn't know at the time that he had pleaded guilty and clearly neither did the people tweeting their support.  Making them feel guilty and deleting their tweets about something that wasn't in the public domain yet would achieve what exactly?

2 minutes ago, Matt42 said:

And this wasn’t passive aggressive?

Nothing passive aggressive about my comment.  I was just pointing out you don't need to be rude to put your point across.

Edited July 7, 2020 by Cream Soda

[Matt42]

1 minute ago, fatyeti24 said:

You obviously heard the news first and passed it on.  You've done your good deed for the day, no need to get on your high horse about it.

All I asked was for people to probably take down their social media posts wishing him well after it comes out he’s going to court for domestic abuse. I don’t really see what is virtue signally about that. I might have retaliated a bit passive aggressive but I’m shocked why this would be questioned? 
 

Wishing someone well who is in court for abusing his wife is not a good look. Innocent or not.

[Matt42]

1 minute ago, Cream Soda said:

I didn't know at the time that he had pleaded guilty and clearly neither did the people tweeting their support.  Making them feel guilty and deleting their tweets about something that wasn't in the public domain yet would achieve what exactly?

What is this about guilt? It’s easy to take the tweets down or whatever and say that you upon learning more information you no longer wish him well? I don’t see any difficulty there?

[fraybentos1]

1 minute ago, Matt42 said:

All I asked was for people to probably take down their social media posts wishing him well after it comes out he’s going to court for domestic abuse. I don’t really see what is virtue signally about that. I might have retaliated a bit passive aggressive but I’m shocked why this would be questioned? 
 

Wishing someone well who is in court for abusing his wife is not a good look. Innocent or not.

Don't think anyone was wishing him well in court. Any well wishes were probs after the Kasabian tweet yday when it wasn't clear he had actually done anything wrong. 

You appear to me smug you saw this news break 30 secs before everyone else on the thread..

[fatyeti24]

1 minute ago, Matt42 said:

All I asked was for people to probably take down their social media posts wishing him well after it comes out he’s going to court for domestic abuse. I don’t really see what is virtue signally about that. I might have retaliated a bit passive aggressive but I’m shocked why this would be questioned? 
 

Wishing someone well who is in court for abusing his wife is not a good look. Innocent or not.

I don't think you were being questioned, or accused of virtue signalling.  It was a case of you hearing the news from the court before others did - at least on this thread, I won't speak for Twitter.

Opinion seems united behind you now that we've all heard the news.

[jparx]

Yikes. This story went south in a hurry. Very much felt like a substance abuse/rehab thing yesterday but here we are. 

Maybe I was naive but he actually had my sympathy yesterday when this felt like a drug addiction issue, but nah fuck him.

[Matt42]

20 minutes ago, Matt42 said:

I should hope all those that have flooded Tom with posts on social media wishing him well to delete them and apologise. Also to remove any support for the band as they didn’t step in and tell people to be cautious with their words wishing well..

Where in my post was I making people feel guilty?

I really don’t see the problem. But if you do want to keep your tweets up of him wishing him well that’s your choice. Imagine how his wife feels.

I’ve clearly ruffled some feathers by turning the mirror on us, but I was one of those who tweeted Tom wishing him well. I don’t exactly get how I can be trying to get the moral upper hand on myself?

[Matt42]

1 minute ago, jparx said:

Yikes. This story went south in a hurry. Very much felt like a substance abuse/rehab thing yesterday but here we are. 

Maybe I was naive but he actually had my sympathy yesterday when this felt like a drug addiction issue, but nah fuck him.

Saying fuck him is a bit much, dont you want to know the details of what he has been sentenced for before you discredit him? 

[Mouseboy11]

8 minutes ago, fatyeti24 said:

People are afforded the right to innocence until proven otherwise, or as in this case just a few minutes ago, they admit their crimes.

It doesn't mean people aren't listening to the victims, it's just how the law works.

You obviously heard the news first and passed it on.  You've done your good deed for the day, no need to get on your high horse about it.

Particularly poignant on the day Johnny Depp is in court to sue the Sun for defamation over claims he beat Amber Heard.

[Cream Soda]

Just now, Matt42 said:

Where in my post was I making people feel guilty?

I really don’t see the problem. But if you do want to keep your tweets up of him wishing him well that’s your choice. Imagine how his wife feels.

I’ve clearly ruffled some feathers by turning the mirror on us, but I was one of those who tweeted Tom wishing him well. I don’t exactly get how I can be trying to get the moral upper hand on myself?

I think it's more your tone that has ruffled feathers as opposed to anything you have said.  

[Cream Soda]

Just now, Matt42 said:

Saying fuck him is a bit much, dont you want to know the details of what he has been sentenced for before you discredit him? 

🤣

[Matt42]

Just now, Mouseboy11 said:

Particularly poignant on the day Johnny Depp is in court to sue the Sun for defamation over claims he beat Amber Heard.

But Tom voluntarily stepped down from the band, we knew this yesterday? Not related at all

[Hugh Jass]

13 minutes ago, Matt42 said:

Well maybe change your attitude to listen to victims then instead of defending your favourite lad when you don’t know shit

You’re not coming across well here Matt.

[jparx]

1 minute ago, Matt42 said:

Saying fuck him is a bit much, dont you want to know the details of what he has been sentenced for before you discredit him? 

Don't drag me into this! 

[Mouseboy11]

1 minute ago, Matt42 said:

But Tom voluntarily stepped down from the band, we knew this yesterday? Not related at all

Stepping down from the band isn't an admission of guilt in a court of law

[Matt42]

I’m not speaking on this anymore I’ve said my peace. I just didn’t like that there was resistance to removing a tweet wishing him well now we know more. Maybe my tone can be forced but considering how we now have had numerous stories of people coming forward that they have been abused by people in positions of power, and that there are always fans willing to give them the benefit of the doubt, something needs to change.

In short - both Tom and Kasabian as a band are in the wrong here. Their statement was awful because they didn’t make it clear that “personal issues” meant criminal indictment. They also didn’t step in when they saw the sympathy posts flood in both on social media and the mainstream news.

This is all I will say on it but the least we can do it is apologise for something we all played a part in and moved on. I feel guilty for contributing to the social media “bigging up” of a guy who abused his wife. Imagine how she feels going onto social media and seeing waves of support.

The statement should have been clearer. Otherwise we wouldn’t be having this spat on efestivals.

[Gilgamesh69]

34 minutes ago, CaledonianGonzo said:

Richard Thompson's been around for longer than Nick Cave and is a consistently strong songwriter - way more so than several recent Pyramid Headliners.  Therefore it has to happen one day.

Pfft, what jams does Richard have though?

[Wellyboot]

I liked it better when it was The 1975 or Foals

[zahidf]

4 minutes ago, Matt42 said:

I’m not speaking on this anymore I’ve said my peace. I just didn’t like that there was resistance to removing a tweet wishing him well now we know more. Maybe my tone can be forced but considering how we now have had numerous stories of people coming forward that they have been abused by people in positions of power, and that there are always fans willing to give them the benefit of the doubt, something needs to change.

In short - both Tom and Kasabian as a band are in the wrong here. Their statement was awful because they didn’t make it clear that “personal issues” meant criminal indictment. They also didn’t step in when they saw the sympathy posts flood in both on social media and the mainstream news.

This is all I will say on it but the least we can do it is apologise for something we all played a part in and moved on. I feel guilty for contributing to the social media “bigging up” of a guy who abused his wife. Imagine how she feels going onto social media and seeing waves of support.

The statement should have been clearer. Otherwise we wouldn’t be having this spat on efestivals.

Tbf to kasabian, it's not up to them to preempt the court hearing today. It makes sense why they were so curt in their statement. 

Hopefully she is ok now and my thoughts are with her. Don't care about Tom now, hopefully his sentence will reflect him crime.

[CaledonianGonzo]

6 minutes ago, Gilgamesh69 said:

Pfft, what jams does Richard have though?

Same number of big tunes as Nick Cave.

[JSmurphy]

This is just awful.

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Former Kasabian singer Tom Meighan has pleaded guilty to assaulting his former fiancee.

The 39-year-old admitted at Leicester Magistrates' Court attacking Vikki Ager on the evening of 9 April.

The court heard a child had witnessed the assault and contacted 999 to report that a "domestic incident was taking place".

Prosecutor Naeem Valli said the "sustained assault" had left Ms Ager with bruises to her knees, elbow, ankle and "a reddening around her neck".

The court was told Meighan "smelt heavily of intoxicants" as he assaulted her.

Meighan, of Narborough, originally denied an assault had taken place but after watching video footage, he told police he could not watch it any further because it was "horrible".

Mr Valli told the hearing the child "sounded panicked and afraid" while making the call and the victim could be heard saying "get off me, get off me".

[Superunknown]

20 minutes ago, Cream Soda said:

I think it's more your tone that has ruffled feathers as opposed to anything you have said.  

As usual

[misterplow]

12 minutes ago, CaledonianGonzo said:

Same number of big tunes as Nick Cave.

I dunno man. Has the man written a live beast like Higgs Boson Blues.

Boom boom boom. 

Cave adjuring a 25K arena with this song was a defining moment for me when it comes to live music. 

Edited July 7, 2020 by misterplow