Amy Lawn Posted May 17, 2016 Report Share Posted May 17, 2016 what's all this "HUGE news" about then? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SwedgeAntilles Posted May 17, 2016 Report Share Posted May 17, 2016 5 minutes ago, GETOFFAMYLAWN said: what's all this "HUGE news" about then? One page back, Shangri-La tweet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dingbat2 Posted May 17, 2016 Report Share Posted May 17, 2016 1 minute ago, jonodillieono said: Really? Why? Doesnt for example 0001001=001001=01001=1001? Blimey I'm no authority on these things but, doesn't a computer need to know when one letter ends and another starts and hence I needs a fixed length for each letter. Otherwise how would it know if 01110 was 01-110 or 0111-0, etc Computers only work with 1 and 0. They are pretty thick in that respect Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beerqueen Posted May 17, 2016 Report Share Posted May 17, 2016 3 hours ago, Festival Liam said: Now the secret sale obsession (just for a friend luckily) has died down somewhat... can we get a poster please? Having failed on that front, I want some cheering up. Me too. And my coach is a lot later than I'd hoped - but maybe I won't be so knackered at the end if I get there at a sensible time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Purple aki squat Posted May 17, 2016 Report Share Posted May 17, 2016 20 minutes ago, GETOFFAMYLAWN said: what's all this "HUGE news" about then? It's Huey Lewis and the news Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Acid_Haze Posted May 17, 2016 Report Share Posted May 17, 2016 I wonder how soon "very very soon" is? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stuartbert two hats Posted May 17, 2016 Report Share Posted May 17, 2016 16 minutes ago, dingbat2 said: Blimey I'm no authority on these things but, doesn't a computer need to know when one letter ends and another starts and hence I needs a fixed length for each letter. Otherwise how would it know if 01110 was 01-110 or 0111-0, etc Computers only work with 1 and 0. They are pretty thick in that respect Correct. 0100100001100101011100100110010100100000011010010111001100100000011101000110100001100101001000000110101101100101011110010010110000100000011000100111010101110100001000000111100101101111011101010010000001101110011001010110010101100100001000000111010001101000011001010010000001101011011001010111100100100000011101000110111100100000011101010110111001100100011001010111001001110011011101000110000101101110011001000010000001101001011101000010111000100000011010000111010001110100011100000011101000101111001011110111011101110111011101110010111001110010011011110111010101100010011000010110100101111000011010010110111001110100011001010111001001100001011000110111010001101001011101100110010100101110011000110110111101101101001011110101000001101100011000010111100101000111011100100110111101110101011011100110010000101111010000100110100101101110011000010111001001111001010111110100001101101111011011100111011001100101011100100111001101101001011011110110111000101111010000100110100101101110011000010111001001111001010111110101010001101111010111110101010001100101011110000111010000101110011000010111001101110000 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woffy Posted May 17, 2016 Report Share Posted May 17, 2016 22 minutes ago, GETOFFAMYLAWN said: what's all this "HUGE news" about then? Dunno. Something to do with Matrix apparently. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fabrizzo Posted May 17, 2016 Report Share Posted May 17, 2016 2 minutes ago, stuartbert two hats said: Correct. 0100100001100101011100100110010100100000011010010111001100100000011101000110100001100101001000000110101101100101011110010010110000100000011000100111010101110100001000000111100101101111011101010010000001101110011001010110010101100100001000000111010001101000011001010010000001101011011001010111100100100000011101000110111100100000011101010110111001100100011001010111001001110011011101000110000101101110011001000010000001101001011101000010111000100000011010000111010001110100011100000011101000101111001011110111011101110111011101110010111001110010011011110111010101100010011000010110100101111000011010010110111001110100011001010111001001100001011000110111010001101001011101100110010100101110011000110110111101101101001011110101000001101100011000010111100101000111011100100110111101110101011011100110010000101111010000100110100101101110011000010111001001111001010111110100001101101111011011100111011001100101011100100111001101101001011011110110111000101111010000100110100101101110011000010111001001111001010111110101010001101111010111110101010001100101011110000111010000101110011000010111001101110000 0110000101101000011000010110100001100001011010000110000101101000 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dingbat2 Posted May 17, 2016 Report Share Posted May 17, 2016 2 minutes ago, stuartbert two hats said: Correct. 0100100001100101011100100110010100100000011010010111001100100000011101000110100001100101001000000110101101100101011110010010110000100000011000100111010101110100001000000111100101101111011101010010000001101110011001010110010101100100001000000111010001101000011001010010000001101011011001010111100100100000011101000110111100100000011101010110111001100100011001010111001001110011011101000110000101101110011001000010000001101001011101000010111000100000011010000111010001110100011100000011101000101111001011110111011101110111011101110010111001110010011011110111010101100010011000010110100101111000011010010110111001110100011001010111001001100001011000110111010001101001011101100110010100101110011000110110111101101101001011110101000001101100011000010111100101000111011100100110111101110101011011100110010000101111010000100110100101101110011000010111001001111001010111110100001101101111011011100111011001100101011100100111001101101001011011110110111000101111010000100110100101101110011000010111001001111001010111110101010001101111010111110101010001100101011110000111010000101110011000010111001101110000 Don't get aggressive by bringing my mother into this Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jparx Posted May 17, 2016 Report Share Posted May 17, 2016 My tongue was firmly in cheek with the Radiohead comment BTW Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heartbreaker Posted May 17, 2016 Report Share Posted May 17, 2016 1001 in binary = 9 in decimal, 00001001 also = 9 in decimal, the 0's to the left are redundant data and would not be stored in memory as they hold no value, it would be inefficient and cost ineffective to store them. And back on topic, I would love a huge announcement in regards to a new act, I feel however it will just be regarding shangri la Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dingbat2 Posted May 17, 2016 Report Share Posted May 17, 2016 5 minutes ago, Heartbreaker said: 1001 in binary = 9 in decimal, 00001001 also = 9 in decimal, the 0's to the left are redundant data and would not be stored in memory as they hold no value, it would be inefficient and cost ineffective to store them. And back on topic, I would love a huge announcement in regards to a new act, I feel however it will just be regarding shangri la but if a computer ignored leading zeros, how it would know when one character ended and the next one started? They need fixed length don't they? 8bit, 16bit, etc... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
priest17 Posted May 17, 2016 Report Share Posted May 17, 2016 Wait, when were Flight Of The Conchords announced? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stuartbert two hats Posted May 17, 2016 Report Share Posted May 17, 2016 18 minutes ago, Heartbreaker said: 1001 in binary = 9 in decimal, 00001001 also = 9 in decimal, the 0's to the left are redundant data and would not be stored in memory as they hold no value, it would be inefficient and cost ineffective to store them. And back on topic, I would love a huge announcement in regards to a new act, I feel however it will just be regarding shangri la Yes they would, as a zero! Or more precisely, an amount of current low enough to represent the off state. Sure, you could imagine a compression routine that didn't store those leading zeros, but that would only make sense if the size of the field could be described in fewer bits than the leading zeros. I don't know enough about compression algorithms to say whether that does exist, but I doubt it. But as for how the raw binary is stored in memory, the leading zeros are there. You may as well say that the leading 1s don't need to be stored. Mathematically you're right, but that's not quite how computers work when we get so low level. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eastynh Posted May 17, 2016 Report Share Posted May 17, 2016 1 hour ago, jonodillieono said: Really? Why? Doesnt for example 0001001=001001=01001=1001? Some functions may need a logic low to become active. Normally open switches and things like that. Each bit in the register maybe doing a different function. Binary numbers are not just data addresses. We use bit codes to drive some machines. I would have thought digital to analog converters would need the full data string as well. Anyway the key numbers are 1351422 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heartbreaker Posted May 17, 2016 Report Share Posted May 17, 2016 (edited) 14 minutes ago, stuartbert two hats said: Yes they would, as a zero! Or more precisely, an amount of current low enough to represent the off state. Sure, you could imagine a compression routine that didn't store those leading zeros, but that would only make sense if the size of the field could be described in fewer bits than the leading zeros. I don't know enough about compression algorithms to say whether that does exist, but I doubt it. But as for how the raw binary is stored in memory, the leading zeros are there. You may as well say that the leading 1s don't need to be stored. Mathematically you're right, but that's not quite how computers work when we get so low level. Thats very interesting; I've just started (2 months in) to work embedded systems module at uni, we've been told by our lecturer that the 0's can be dropped to only store from the most significant bit (? The first 1 as he put it ?) in an effort to increase the efficiency of the retrieval of data. I shall put this to him on Thursday and see what he has to say! Edited May 17, 2016 by Heartbreaker Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gnomicide Posted May 17, 2016 Report Share Posted May 17, 2016 What has happened to the dearest of threads? Come on Glade, Shangri-La, Pilton Palais. ... anyone! Give us an announcement to get us back on track! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eastynh Posted May 17, 2016 Report Share Posted May 17, 2016 17 minutes ago, stuartbert two hats said: Yes they would, as a zero! Or more precisely, an amount of current low enough to represent the off state. Sure, you could imagine a compression routine that didn't store those leading zeros, but that would only make sense if the size of the field could be described in fewer bits than the leading zeros. I don't know enough about compression algorithms to say whether that does exist, but I doubt it. But as for how the raw binary is stored in memory, the leading zeros are there. You may as well say that the leading 1s don't need to be stored. Mathematically you're right, but that's not quite how computers work when we get so low level. It is voltage that is the important in logic levels mate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gnomicide Posted May 17, 2016 Report Share Posted May 17, 2016 Jesus Christ! Now the Manchester School of Science us joining in! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heartbreaker Posted May 17, 2016 Report Share Posted May 17, 2016 3 minutes ago, Gnomicide said: Jesus Christ! Now the Manchester School of Science us joining in! Hahaha. My apologies for my part in the spectacular de-railing of this thread. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charm Posted May 17, 2016 Report Share Posted May 17, 2016 8 minutes ago, Gnomicide said: What has happened to the dearest of threads? Come on Glade, Shangri-La, Pilton Palais. ... anyone! Give us an announcement to get us back on track! Agreed, this is worse than discussing types of bread. Charm x Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woffy Posted May 17, 2016 Report Share Posted May 17, 2016 I feel like Arneus fleeing Τροία. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woffy Posted May 17, 2016 Report Share Posted May 17, 2016 So is the Matrix real then or what? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
morph100 Posted May 17, 2016 Report Share Posted May 17, 2016 There is no spoon, or big line up poster Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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