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[tarw]

5 minutes ago, steviewevie said:

Hamas used sexual violence as part of 'genocidal strategy', Israeli experts say

Not sure why you have posted this. 
 

Hamas committed atrocities we all know that. Does this information suddenly justify the actions of Netanyahu?

 

Also it’s hardly surprising that a group specifically set up to find evidence of sexual violence finds evidence of sexual violence. I’m not denying that horrific acts were done by Hamas just it’s relevance to the current situation 

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[steviewevie]

1 minute ago, tarw said:

Not sure why you have posted this. 
 

Hamas committed atrocities we all know that. Does this information suddenly justify the actions of Netanyahu?

 

Also it’s hardly surprising that a group specifically set up to find evidence of sexual violence finds evidence of sexual violence. I’m not denying that horrific acts were done by Hamas just it’s relevance to the current situation 

It was on BBC front page...and someone was talking about this the other day...and I was waiting for someone to be sceptical..and here you are.

[steviewevie]

This was also on BBC front page...for balance

Israel defence minister plans to move Gaza's population to camp

 

(although I guess I could stick to the International Politics thread..)

[tarw]

2 minutes ago, steviewevie said:

It was on BBC front page...and someone was talking about this the other day...and I was waiting for someone to be sceptical..and here you are.

I’d treat news from Hamas with equal scepticism. Like I said I wouldn’t be at all surprised if it did happen but I always bear in mind the impartiality of the source with news like this. 

[dirtysteve]

I can definitely believe that the Government would force the BBC to cease broadcasting Glastonbury to appease Israel, but they (the BBC) don't have any ability to cancel the Festival itself, right?

[stuie]

Tell them they've cancelled Glastonbury 2026 as a punishment 🙂 

 

Joking aside, they know the BBC doesn't run Glastonbury, right? 

[SouthbanKen]

1 hour ago, Blisterpack said:

No doubt there are some who fall into both these categories. I would suggest though (based on the experience of friends here and in Israel) that the vast majority of people serving in the IDF are regular - mainly young- people, men and women, who love their country and want to keep it safe. 

 

I get that, and I feel for those who do it out of duty rather than choice, as I would imagine most on here would - an incredibly hard position to be in. I would however, take issue with any and all of them who have voted for or continue to vote for Netanyahu and his far right coalition partners who are deliberately and unnecessarily prolonging the conflict for their own political means, at that point, my sympathy for IDF conscripts lessens, as they effectively become turkeys voting for Christmas. 

[Magic Toaster]

Hilarious concept

 

Remind me why the government seems to be bending over backwards to appease Israel again?

Edited July 8, 2025 by Magic Toaster

[tigger123]

It would be interesting to see Lisa Nandy and the rest of Labours stance on this if the antisemitism issues the party has had in years gone by hadn’t existed. Would they still be approaching this in the same way? 

[steviewevie]

Oh well if MrTARDIS is absolutely certain then it is definitely happening.

[steviewevie]

Death to any IDF who voted for Netanyahu?

[tarw]

Just now, steviewevie said:

Death to any IDF who voted for Netanyahu?

Doesn’t scan. Could you simplify it to make a punchy slogan please. 😉

[Blisterpack]

13 minutes ago, SouthbanKen said:

 

I get that, and I feel for those who do it out of duty rather than choice, as I would imagine most on here would - an incredibly hard position to be in. I would however, take issue with any and all of them who have voted for or continue to vote for Netanyahu and his far right coalition partners who are deliberately and unnecessarily prolonging the conflict for their own political means, at that point, my sympathy for IDF conscripts lessens, as they effectively become turkeys voting for Christmas. 

Fair

[kaosmark2]

16 minutes ago, SouthbanKen said:

 

I get that, and I feel for those who do it out of duty rather than choice, as I would imagine most on here would - an incredibly hard position to be in. I would however, take issue with any and all of them who have voted for or continue to vote for Netanyahu and his far right coalition partners who are deliberately and unnecessarily prolonging the conflict for their own political means, at that point, my sympathy for IDF conscripts lessens, as they effectively become turkeys voting for Christmas. 

Many do it out of obligation - Israel has basically compulsory conscription into the IDF for citizens of a certain age. That doesn't necessarily include direct military/weapons usage, but it is worth bearing in mind. Being a member of the IDF isn't a choice.

[steviewevie]

16 minutes ago, SouthbanKen said:

 

I get that, and I feel for those who do it out of duty rather than choice, as I would imagine most on here would - an incredibly hard position to be in. I would however, take issue with any and all of them who have voted for or continue to vote for Netanyahu and his far right coalition partners who are deliberately and unnecessarily prolonging the conflict for their own political means, at that point, my sympathy for IDF conscripts lessens, as they effectively become turkeys voting for Christmas. 

I actually have more disdain for Netanyahu than all the others. At least the nutters in his government are from extremist religious pro-settler parties...they have this ideology for a greater Israel..Judea and Sumaria or whatever, they want all the Palestinians gone, same as some in Hamas/Hezbollah want all the Jews gone......whereas Netanyahu is literally carrying out genocide simply for his own political survival.  The bloke is a class A c**t.

So, definitely death to Netanyahu.

[Blisterpack]

1 minute ago, steviewevie said:

I actually have more disdain for Netanyahu than all the others. At least the nutters in his government are from extremist religious pro-settler parties...they have this ideology for a greater Israel..Judea and Sumaria or whatever, they want all the Palestinians gone, same as some in Hamas/Hezbollah want all the Jews gone......whereas Netanyahu is literally carrying out genocide simply for his own political survival.  The bloke is a class A c**t.

So, definitely death to Netanyahu.

Though weirdly when this phase is all over he will probably be more vulnerable personally to the pro-settler types who will accuse him of failing them. Cos he will. 

[SouthbanKen]

3 minutes ago, kaosmark2 said:

Many do it out of obligation - Israel has basically compulsory conscription into the IDF for citizens of a certain age. That doesn't necessarily include direct military/weapons usage, but it is worth bearing in mind. Being a member of the IDF isn't a choice.

 

Which is why i said "I get that, and I feel for those who do it out of duty rather than choice".  

 

And ultimately, it is still a choice, there are refusniks, you run the risk of being arrested, but there is a choice. 

 

 

[StoneCircle]

Glastonbury to be cancelled to appease Israel thread merged with this thread.

 

 

[kaosmark2]

21 minutes ago, SouthbanKen said:

 

Which is why i said "I get that, and I feel for those who do it out of duty rather than choice".  

 

And ultimately, it is still a choice, there are refusniks, you run the risk of being arrested, but there is a choice. 

That's fair. I didn't mean to call you out specifically, it's just a point I haven't seen made in this thread which I think is important to highlight.

[Powder_Finger]

1 hour ago, steviewevie said:

Death to any IDF who voted for Netanyahu?

Sounds good to me! No mercy for genociders

[steviewevie]

7 minutes ago, Powder_Finger said:

Sounds good to me! No mercy for genociders

But what if they voted for netanyahu because they liked his neo-liberal policies...they didn't know what was to come? Tough poopoo?

[Powder_Finger]

32 minutes ago, steviewevie said:

But what if they voted for netanyahu because they liked his neo-liberal policies...they didn't know what was to come? Tough poopoo?

???

You say that as if neoliberalism isn't also dangerous and its followers some of the worst people around...

[steviewevie]

14 minutes ago, Powder_Finger said:

???

You say that as if neoliberalism isn't also dangerous and its followers some of the worst people around...

Death to neoliberalists too?

ok. Hard to keep up.

[Skip997]

There are plenty of requests from the moderators to keep BV stuff out of other topics.

 

How about keeping paying to watch out of BV topics?