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48 minutes ago, zzzfest said:

 

 

Many thanks for your comments.

For all the inappropriate measures that shouldn’t have been taken at the Dutch festival, worries still remain there.

Do all these people reveling in their freedom in nightclubs and gigs not have slightest concerns that may go beyond themselves, family members who don’t share interest with them having to isolate as well if things turn out wrong, I wonder?

It's an interesting one. I wouldn't even consider Latitude if I still lived at my Dad's place, or had to see him in those couple of weeks after. He's a healthy just under mid 60s, but i feel the same that we're not even close to out of it. We're taking what we believe is our one and only chance to properly escape iy all this summer but morally it's not exactly above board imo - it's incredibly selfish and indulgent. We'll mitigate the best we can but we still need to get the train back etc.

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30 minutes ago, zzzfest said:

Hope so...

The problem is, even double vaccination is not effective enough against Covid, especially AZ which is reported to be appx 60% effective, more or less.

Let’s see what will happen (or not, hopefully) next few weeks.

I’m pretty sure the reported effectiveness of AZ against the delta variant is 90%+.

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30 minutes ago, zzzfest said:

Hope so...

The problem is, even double vaccination is not effective enough against Covid, especially AZ which is reported to be appx 60% effective, more or less.

Let’s see what will happen (or not, hopefully) next few weeks.

Just out of curiosity where did you get the 60% figure for the AZ double jab? Most of the numbers I have seen have suggested 92-96% for two shots (after the 2 week period).

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"Real world data from PHE, published as a pre-print, demonstrated two doses of COVID-19 Vaccine AstraZeneca are 92% effective against hospitalisation due to the Delta variant and showed no deaths among those vaccinated. The vaccine also showed a high level of effectiveness against the Alpha variant (B.1.1.7; formerly the ‘Kent’ variant) with an 86% reduction of hospitalisations and no deaths reported".

Source: astrazeneca.com - 15/06/21

That's good enough for me. See you in the fields and on the floor...

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5 minutes ago, Supernintendo Chalmers said:

"Real world data from PHE, published as a pre-print, demonstrated two doses of COVID-19 Vaccine AstraZeneca are 92% effective against hospitalisation due to the Delta variant and showed no deaths among those vaccinated. The vaccine also showed a high level of effectiveness against the Alpha variant (B.1.1.7; formerly the ‘Kent’ variant) with an 86% reduction of hospitalisations and no deaths reported".

Source: astrazeneca.com - 15/06/21

That's good enough for me. See you in the fields and on the floor...

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32 minutes ago, sadimmock said:

Just out of curiosity where did you get the 60% figure for the AZ double jab? Most of the numbers I have seen have suggested 92-96% for two shots (after the 2 week period).

UK GOV website for instance (22/05/2021). They say 60% (2 doses against Indian variant).

https://www.gov.uk/government/news/vaccines-highly-effective-against-b-1-617-2-variant-after-2-doses

But, yeah, I did a quick search and some information source says something like 90%.

What’s to rely on, really?

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46 minutes ago, gibble said:

I think the 60% is against symptomatic disease (rather than hospitalisation)

Ah, now I know what you mean. 

The GOV UK clearly states “60% against symptomatic disease”. As far as I understand, while AZ is effective enough to keep most people from going bad as to the extent that they need to be hospitalized (90%, more or less), it only protects people from being infected by coronavirus (i.e. Indian — Delta — variant) up to 60%. Am I correct?

If so...worrying enough for me.

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3 hours ago, zzzfest said:

Hope so...

The problem is, even double vaccination is not effective enough against Covid, especially AZ which is reported to be appx 60% effective, more or less.

Let’s see what will happen (or not, hopefully) next few weeks.

No, AZ is quoted as being 92% effective against hospitalisation. It is established that becoming infected (or less likely, re-infected) after double vaccination with AZ or Pfizer is possible, especially with the delta variant. However, on a population level, vaccination has reduced the risk of this to not more than mild illness in almost all cases. Translated, that means that if you're vaccinated, you now have the choice to accept what many would consider a perfectly reasonable level of risk, by going into environments where there is a known likelihood of some transmission.

As things stand, that makes clubbing, gigging and other indoor activities for the double vaccinated an 'acceptable risk' for most/many who would have done that stuff pre-pandemic. It's important to look at personal risk-stratification now in a post-vaccination model. It is almost pointless to look at it and the daily figures with any reference to, say, autumn 2020.

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2 hours ago, Supernintendo Chalmers said:

"Real world data from PHE, published as a pre-print, demonstrated two doses of COVID-19 Vaccine AstraZeneca are 92% effective against hospitalisation due to the Delta variant and showed no deaths among those vaccinated. The vaccine also showed a high level of effectiveness against the Alpha variant (B.1.1.7; formerly the ‘Kent’ variant) with an 86% reduction of hospitalisations and no deaths reported".

Source: astrazeneca.com - 15/06/21

That's good enough for me. See you in the fields and on the floor...

Sorry, @Supernintendo Chalmers - jumping on your coattails there as I responded before reading to the end of the thread - always fraught with danger!

Ben

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2 hours ago, zzzfest said:

Ah, now I know what you mean. 

The GOV UK clearly states “60% against symptomatic disease”. As far as I understand, while AZ is effective enough to keep most people from going bad as to the extent that they need to be hospitalized (90%, more or less), it only protects people from being infected by coronavirus (i.e. Indian — Delta — variant) up to 60%. Am I correct?

If so...worrying enough for me.

It's always going to be a personal consideration. What is acceptable to one may be horrifying to another. There is no right or wrong in that and we all need to be respectful of one another's choices. Saying that, it is important that policy is based on data and not feelings. As an almost pointless, anecdotal example - my next-door neighbour became mildly symptomatic on Thursday. He feels a bit rough. He's OK, pottering about and doing stuff, but a bit under the weather. He's positive. He's double AZ vaccinated. He's 74. Yes, this is what we often refer to disparagingly as an n=1 study, but it's an indication. 

Young, double vaccinated, healthy people are overwhelmingly likely to be asymptomatic or only mildly affected should they contract CV, delta or any other current variant. On that basis, many will decide that they can manage that risk, and return to pre-pandemic activities.

Ben

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5 minutes ago, bennyhana22 said:

No, AZ is quoted as being 92% effective against hospitalisation. It is established that becoming infected (or less likely, re-infected) after double vaccination with AZ or Pfizer is possible, especially with the delta variant. However, on a population level, vaccination has reduced the risk of this to not more than mild illness in almost all cases. Translated, that means that if you're vaccinated, you now have the choice to accept what many would consider a perfectly reasonable level of risk, by going into environments where there is a known likelihood of some transmission.

As things stand, that makes clubbing, gigging and other indoor activities for the double vaccinated an 'acceptable risk' for most/many who would have done that stuff pre-pandemic. It's important to look at personal risk-stratification now in a post-vaccination model. It is almost pointless to look at it and the daily figures with any reference to, say, autumn 2020.

Ben

We should pin this for anyone nervous about the current scenario. Absolutely spot-on. Facts, with zero bias, clearly put.  Ever thought of a career in healthcare Ben? 😉

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9 minutes ago, bennyhana22 said:

It's always going to be a personal consideration. What is acceptable to one may be horrifying to another. There is no right or wrong in that and we all need to be respectful of one another's choices. Saying that, it is important that policy is based on data and not feelings. As an almost pointless, anecdotal example - my next-door neighbour became mildly symptomatic on Thursday. He feels a bit rough. He's OK, pottering about and doing stuff, but a bit under the weather. He's positive. He's double AZ vaccinated. He's 74. Yes, this is what we often refer to disparagingly as an n=1 study, but it's an indication. 

Young, double vaccinated, healthy people are overwhelmingly likely to be asymptomatic or only mildly affected should they contract CV, delta or any other current variant. On that basis, many will decide that they can manage that risk, and return to pre-pandemic activities.

Ben

Thanks Ben this helps me loads for my gig at cheese and grain tomoro anxiety is there for sure and I kinda needed to see something like this 🙂 although I’m not young anymore 🙂 

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5 minutes ago, Supernintendo Chalmers said:

We should pin this for anyone nervous about the current scenario. Absolutely spot-on. Facts, with zero bias, clearly put.  Ever thought of a career in healthcare Ben? 😉

Ha! Ooh, no - couldn't cope with those hours.

Out of upvotes so a virtual ⬆️

Ben

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Just now, crazyfool1 said:

Thanks Ben this helps me loads for my gig at cheese and grain tomoro anxiety is there for sure and I kinda needed to see something like this 🙂 

My pleasure. I'd hate for anyone to think that I was presenting anything I say as 'gospel', but I have realised over the last 18 months just how hard it is for people to navigate this stuff, especially the stats etc. So, if I can offer what I hope is an objective perspective at times, it's the least I can do.

Who are you seeing? I'm a bit of a groupie to a post-rock band from the Frome area and saw them at the C&G a few years ago - drove all the way down from the Midlands on a school night just for the gig and regretted nothing.

Ben

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5 minutes ago, bennyhana22 said:

My pleasure. I'd hate for anyone to think that I was presenting anything I say as 'gospel', but I have realised over the last 18 months just how hard it is for people to navigate this stuff, especially the stats etc. So, if I can offer what I hope is an objective perspective at times, it's the least I can do.

Who are you seeing? I'm a bit of a groupie to a post-rock band from the Frome area and saw them at the C&G a few years ago - drove all the way down from the Midlands on a school night just for the gig and regretted nothing.

Ben

Fatboy slim 🙂 reopening night party .. grabbed some last minute tickets yesterday … and then wondered what the hell have I just done with the anxiety … double jabbed with Pfizer .. but if it’s gonna be around and we are all gonna get it … I need to deal with anxiety fairly soon as more of a priority if that makes sense .. so went sod it let’s go for it .. Im llateral flow testing in the run up and will be after .. so I’m not risking anyone else too much and I’m pretty hooked into distancing and wear a mask at work without fail 

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3 hours ago, El Matador said:

I'm curious as to what the answer would be if you're suggesting it's not safe for a club full of vaccinated people to dance? 

If this isn't safe then presumably it'll never be safe and so mass events, Glastonbury included, should cease to exist? 

It's as safe as it can be if everyone going in has had a chance to be double vaccinated. If not, then they are opening up to problems, and when they come it'll have been known. That's my view anyway.

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1 hour ago, crazyfool1 said:

Fatboy slim 🙂 reopening night party .. grabbed some last minute tickets yesterday … and then wondered what the hell have I just done with the anxiety … double jabbed with Pfizer .. but if it’s gonna be around and we are all gonna get it … I need to deal with anxiety fairly soon as more of a priority if that makes sense .. so went sod it let’s go for it .. Im llateral flow testing in the run up and will be after .. so I’m not risking anyone else too much and I’m pretty hooked into distancing and wear a mask at work without fail 

Norman, in a venue that small. After a year and a half of gig starvation. It's. Gonna. Go. Off.

Have a brilliant, safe time.

Ben

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1 hour ago, bennyhana22 said:

It's always going to be a personal consideration. What is acceptable to one may be horrifying to another. There is no right or wrong in that and we all need to be respectful of one another's choices. Saying that, it is important that policy is based on data and not feelings. As an almost pointless, anecdotal example - my next-door neighbour became mildly symptomatic on Thursday. He feels a bit rough. He's OK, pottering about and doing stuff, but a bit under the weather. He's positive. He's double AZ vaccinated. He's 74. Yes, this is what we often refer to disparagingly as an n=1 study, but it's an indication. 

Young, double vaccinated, healthy people are overwhelmingly likely to be asymptomatic or only mildly affected should they contract CV, delta or any other current variant. On that basis, many will decide that they can manage that risk, and return to pre-pandemic activities.

Ben

Cheers for your comment.

One of the points I made in my previous post and you missed out entirely in yours is a concern about household. Should I unfortunately contract CV and return home, symptomatic or not, then what will happen?

I know, ultimately it is a question I have to give an answer for and make a decision by myself.

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5 minutes ago, zzzfest said:

Cheers for your comment.

One of the points I made in my previous post and you missed out entirely in yours is a concern about household. Should I unfortunately contract CV and return home, symptomatic or not, then what will happen?

I know, ultimately it is a question I have to give an answer for and make a decision by myself.

Absolutely, and apologies for not picking up on that point. Yes, you're absolutely correct. Again, it's part of a personal risk assessment. One of one's considerations should unquestionably be the possibility of introducing infection to personal contacts (family, household or otherwise) who are vulnerable. A colleague of mine is double vaccinated and has a vulnerable, vaccinated adult daughter at home. Her perspective on personal activities is, appropriately and understandably, considerably different to mine, as I am fortunate not to have to factor that in. 

It's about being informed with the best available factual information and forming one's own model from that. More complex for some compared to others.

Ben
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Think my anxiety levels may have been reduced tenfold by @bennyhana22 calm & considered postings above - thank you. 

Heading to Latitude tomorrow - an actual festival for the 1st time in nearly 2 years😁 - having swung from being extremely excited to extremely apprehensive almost hourly for the past few months.

Right now, this minute, I'm pretty excited 🕺🎶💜

 

 

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