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3 minutes ago, efcfanwirral said:

I'd expect you'll have needed a booster by then too.

I think I'll try in the October sale, but even after having my 2/3/4/whatever vaccines I will never use vaccine proof to get in somewhere, so if it looks like that's where we're heading I'll give it up ahead of the resale.

I just don't believe that vaccine proof is good enough and makes no sense at all - even the health secretary caught it after two vaccines so it seems illogical and the only conclusion can be that it's about ensuring compliance. If it involved a testing regime like the one above, where you prove the negative test via a picture or whatever that sounds much more logical to actually stop the virus spreading.

I’d doubt there will be any October sale … think we will go straight to resale because of limited returns at that stage …. People won’t have paid their balance so it will remain very close to being sold out 

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8 minutes ago, efcfanwirral said:

I'd expect you'll have needed a booster by then too.

I think I'll try in the October sale, but even after having my 2/3/4/whatever vaccines I will never use vaccine proof to get in somewhere, so if it looks like that's where we're heading I'll give it up ahead of the resale.

I just don't believe that vaccine proof is good enough and makes no sense at all - even the health secretary caught it after two vaccines so it seems illogical and the only conclusion can be that it's about ensuring compliance. If it involved a testing regime like the one above, where you prove the negative test via a picture or whatever that sounds much more logical to actually stop the virus spreading.

So you’ll no go to football, gigs or whatever again? Quite the stand considering you’ll have it.

And the point is when you have had your vaccinations you’ll suffer less from it, so it’s not about not getting it it’ll be those that show they’ve had their vaccinations and attend bigger events will have less affect on the NHS! This that haven’t will have more affect on the NHS, it’s literally as simple as that

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31 minutes ago, sisco said:

So you’ll no go to football, gigs or whatever again? Quite the stand considering you’ll have it.

And the point is when you have had your vaccinations you’ll suffer less from it, so it’s not about not getting it it’ll be those that show they’ve had their vaccinations and attend bigger events will have less affect on the NHS! This that haven’t will have more affect on the NHS, it’s literally as simple as that

Fair enough- but those things are clearly no longer for me, and that's fine.  I could still have it and pass it onto someone vulnerable who would burden the NHS after the gig or whatever else, so maybe these events just shouldn't be happening come winter?

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4 minutes ago, efcfanwirral said:

Fair enough- but those things are clearly no longer for me, and that's fine.  I could still have it and pass it onto someone vulnerable who would burden the NHS after the gig or whatever else, so maybe these events just shouldn't be happening come winter?

But why wouldn't this vulnerable recipient have had both jabs as well?

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12 hours ago, Radiochicken said:

If this is true, looks like Glasto is going to be an all vax’d affair 👀

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This premier league thing should be the case from August when it starts. Literally what is the point is fans being able to go but then making the restrictions tougher? That's just a backwards way of doing it.

Lift the restrictions should align with double vaccine. It is that simple. Yes some people haven't had that but that doesn't mean they won't be able to attend when their time comes.

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28 minutes ago, thewayiam said:

This premier league thing should be the case from August when it starts. Literally what is the point is fans being able to go but then making the restrictions tougher? That's just a backwards way of doing it.

Lift the restrictions should align with double vaccine. It is that simple. Yes some people haven't had that but that doesn't mean they won't be able to attend when their time comes.

I know their reliability is questioned, but it can’t be beyond the biggest brains in the land to find a way to make reporting a lateral flow test less easy to fake.

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2 hours ago, efcfanwirral said:

Fair enough- but those things are clearly no longer for me, and that's fine.  I could still have it and pass it onto someone vulnerable who would burden the NHS after the gig or whatever else, so maybe these events just shouldn't be happening come winter?

Had a fascinating discussion the other day that as R for flu is a little over 1 we've always had the ability to stop a "bad winter with 20,000 excess deaths" by putting some restrictions in. Imagine if each January large events just didn't happen for 3 weeks. 

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5 minutes ago, Leyrulion said:

Had a fascinating discussion the other day that as R for flu is a little over 1 we've always had the ability to stop a "bad winter with 20,000 excess deaths" by putting some restrictions in. Imagine if each January large events just didn't happen for 3 weeks. 

Or the 50 000 excess deaths (mostly influenza) in 2017 after which...literally nothing  happened!

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17 minutes ago, Leyrulion said:

Had a fascinating discussion the other day that as R for flu is a little over 1 we've always had the ability to stop a "bad winter with 20,000 excess deaths" by putting some restrictions in. Imagine if each January large events just didn't happen for 3 weeks. 

I'd imagine people travelling to work in public transport and busy shops for Christmas shopping would be a bigger factor.  Telling people to work from home if possible in winter sounds doable. Can't imagine retail would be willing to give up their busiest time of year every year though. 

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18 minutes ago, Avalon_Fields said:

It’s a bit of a slippery slope if we were to have restrictions for controlling flu in the future, where does it all end? How risk adverse should we be?

Exactly this. We haven't considered putting restrictions in place for flu previously, no matter how bad the flu season has been. Provided we're not at risk of exceeding hospital bed capacity, there's no reason to start now. 

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1 hour ago, kalifire said:

Has there ever been a year where the regular influenza virus has hospitalised and killed as many people as Covid? Just bizarre that these comparisons are still being made. 

I'm not sure that they are Kali. I don't think it's too way off to compare influenza and post-vaccination/pandemic SARS-CoV-2. It's likely that vaccination and natural immunity over the next few years will render CV at the same kind of threat level as influenza or less - don't forget we already 'live with' quite a number of existing coronaviruses, which would have been much more virulent and dangerous when they too were 'novel'.

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2 hours ago, kalifire said:

Has there ever been a year where the regular influenza virus has hospitalised and killed as many people as Covid? Just bizarre that these comparisons are still being made. 

I’m pretty sure not. But what’s worse, 129,000 in 18 months or a much higher figure than that over considerably longer? You could argue either way I’d say.

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2 hours ago, kalifire said:

Has there ever been a year where the regular influenza virus has hospitalised and killed as many people as Covid? Just bizarre that these comparisons are still being made. 

I don't think anyone suggested that.

Just musing about the fact that with fairly minimal public health interventions we've probably always been able to stop thousands of deaths from flu didn't. 

3 hours ago, Avalon_Fields said:

It’s a bit of a slippery slope if we were to have restrictions for controlling flu in the future, where does it all end? How risk adverse should we be?

 

2 hours ago, El Matador said:

Exactly this. We haven't considered putting restrictions in place for flu previously, no matter how bad the flu season has been. Provided we're not at risk of exceeding hospital bed capacity, there's no reason to start now. 

I agree with you both but I find it fascinating that it is a choice and not an inevitability.

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Vaccines have made covid more manageable like flu, but I don't think it's unreasonable to look at better ventilation, mask wearing in certain places, or push that people should stay home if ill if helps reduce the spread of various respiratory viruses. Those are some restrictions that surely we could live with if helps saves lives.

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15 minutes ago, crazyfool1 said:

I think we should be careful not to turn this into another shit thread … the forum has been noticeably more pleasant without that thread 🧵 

Fair enough! I'll keep my posts on here strictly on festivals 

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16 minutes ago, crazyfool1 said:

I think we should be careful not to turn this into another shit thread … the forum has been noticeably more pleasant without that thread 🧵 

Was just thinking the same! 

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31 minutes ago, Pinhead said:

Infections appear to have peaked now too over last 4 days - here's hoping its finally under control.

We've passed the Euros peak, but I don't think we've seen the full effect of step 4 yet.

But it doesn't matter, because we're not allowed to talk about it anymore.

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