When will this shit end?

[BobWillis2]

Didn’t take a genius to work that out. Should have been IIR masks minimum and it might have actually made a big enough difference. 
 

[steviewevie]

 

[Matt42]

3 hours ago, Barry Fish said:

Political disaster at this point surely ?  But with the next election so far away will they care ?

After Kiers car crash yesterday they can do anything. 

[efcfanwirral]

 

12 minutes ago, steviewevie said:

 

Love that- I suppose technically you could argue he advised sage by writing a paper that they read but it's certainly pushing the boundaries of the term 😂

Edited July 17, 2021 by efcfanwirral

[Ozanne]

5 minutes ago, efcfanwirral said:

 

Love that- I suppose technically you could argue he advised sage by writing a paper that they read but it's certainly pushing the boundaries of the term 😂

It’s unsurprising that PFA have jumped on it without reading into any of the detail. 

[efcfanwirral]

Just now, Ozanne said:

It’s unsurprising that PFA have jumped on it without reading into any of the detail. 

I'm more than happy with them as an aggregator just because you see articles from different places. Trust them as much as I do any of the actual media outlets 😂

[steviewevie]

4 minutes ago, efcfanwirral said:

 

Love that- I suppose technically you could argue he advised sage by writing a paper that they read but it's certainly pushing the boundaries of the term 😂

he works as a dr of mechanical engineering and his expertise is in energy use or something. He was also against some of the lockdown social distancing stuff, and writes a lot in the spectator etc. No doubt he's very clever, and cloth masks won't be as good as the surgical ones, but there are many different opinions out there on their effectiveness, and his is one opinion.

[steviewevie]

6 minutes ago, Ozanne said:

It’s unsurprising that PFA have jumped on it without reading into any of the detail. 

they just quote the telegraph article...it's the telegraph that is being misleading.

[steviewevie]

9 minutes ago, Ozanne said:

It’s unsurprising that PFA have jumped on it without reading into any of the detail. 

actually PFA twisted the words even more, to just SAGE adviser.

Anyway, maybe cloth ones are useless, I don't know...but consensus is still any mask is better than nothing, even if they work a tiny bit can make a big difference overall.

[steviewevie]

another from PFA...

 

[Ozanne]

11 minutes ago, efcfanwirral said:

I'm more than happy with them as an aggregator just because you see articles from different places. Trust them as much as I do any of the actual media outlets 😂

Its not that, it’s that they never read into what they are sharing and it’s often disproved after the fact. 

[steviewevie]

2 minutes ago, Ozanne said:

Its not that, it’s that they never read into what they are sharing and it’s often disproved after the fact. 

well, they don't call themselves impartial anymore after being outed as a tory brexit boy.

[efcfanwirral]

8 minutes ago, Ozanne said:

Its not that, it’s that they never read into what they are sharing and it’s often disproved after the fact. 

I guess those who take what they say would be fooled by it. All good for those of us who read the articles and make our own interpretation though! 

[steviewevie]

6 minutes ago, efcfanwirral said:

I guess those who take what they say would be fooled by it. All good for those of us who read the articles and make our own interpretation though! 

Well, article behind telegraph paywall, and no way I'm paying to read their bile.

[efcfanwirral]

16 minutes ago, steviewevie said:

Well, article behind telegraph paywall, and no way I'm paying to read their bile.

There are ways 🙂 - if you're technically minded then source code 

On an unrelated note. If you ever want to save a Web page for posterity, a website called archive .is is pretty good for such purposes. No other uses for it of course...

[BobWillis2]

2 hours ago, steviewevie said:

he works as a dr of mechanical engineering and his expertise is in energy use or something. 

And pagel is a mathematician 

[steviewevie]

1 hour ago, Barry Fish said:

No if they make a tiny difference they just make a tiny difference. 

It's like saying a vaccine with a 1% efficacy would make a big difference. 

Cumulative effect to exponential growth

[BobWillis2]

Oh god forbid someone caught a virus and felt like crap, oh the horror. 
 

How did we cope pre March 2020. 

[BobWillis2]

4 minutes ago, Barry Fish said:

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2021/07/17/revealed-independent-sage-run-left-wing-group-including-anti/

Revealed: Independent Sage is run by Left-wing group including anti-Brexit activists

 

Carol Codswallop’s involvement tells you all you need to know. Anti Boris, anti government drivel. It’s politically motivated. 

Edited July 17, 2021 by BobWillis2

[MrHew]

3 hours ago, Barry Fish said:

The official line is they make a small difference when coupled with social distancing.   When is the last time you saw social distancing?

Personally, today. Both times I left the house. One being at my kids swimming lesson, everyone was observing the 1M+ rules in the leisure centre where it takes place. Second was at Tesco this afternoon. It was fairly busy but almost everyone was giving each other space.

Edited July 17, 2021 by MrHew

[MrHew]

3 minutes ago, Barry Fish said:

Supermarkets around here have been a shit show through out - but everyone does wear a magic mask.

They've been pretty good round my way and still are, so far 

[RobertProsineckisLighter]

6 minutes ago, Barry Fish said:

Supermarkets around here have been a shit show through out - but everyone does wear a magic mask.

Since they got rid of the 1 way supermarkets have been back to being like a prequel to the hunger games.

[stuartbert two hats]

So, last time "freedom day" was postponed, it looked like the NW would follow Bolton in a sustained dropoff in cases and the rest of the country would follow the NW.  Then, when that didn't happen in a few weeks, it appeared that Manchester's growth rate was slowing.

Well the growth rate is slowing in some areas, growing in others - sustained exponential growth.  And this is the situation in which we're deciding to loosen all restrictions. It looked like a good idea a few weeks ago, it really did. But it looks like we might be on the verge of another self inflicted health crisis again. Goddamn it, I just want life to return to normal, I really do. But there is precisely fuck all normal about these rates of COVID-19.

[Ozanne]

Sadly we’ll see more deaths if we have more hospitalisations after more cases.

[stuartbert two hats]

13 minutes ago, Barry Fish said:

Not many deaths...  Hospital numbers going up but people staying for a short duration...

Its not all bad...

And Monday I can go costa without a mask - Mocha please

Hope not fear 🙂 

 

6 minutes ago, Ozanne said:

Sadly we’ll see more deaths if we have more hospitalisations after more cases.

The deaths are currently at the highest rate since March.