When will this shit end?

[efcfanwirral]

19 minutes ago, DeanoL said:

Which was what I've been warning about for months - I think Latitude still not having sold out is a big indicator of how high demand will actually be. And I was constantly told that was crap and people are desperate to get out there and everything will be sold out and I'm weird if I choose to stay indoors... there was always more to unlocking that just dropping restrictions, you need public confidence too, and you're right we don't have that.

Latitude is an interesting one - as I'm finding out its a hell of a journey for most people. Most years I look at it and think nah way too far, but with it being a test event and others I had tickets for cancelling I'm happy to make the effort. The lineup is good for me but only because I've spent a year listening to smaller artists who all happen to be on, plus supergrass, Stephen Fretwell and wolf Alice would've been on my must sees for this year anyway. But the lineup isn't what I'd call good genrally- and I wouldn't consider it in normal years. But then I post on efestivals so am not the general public- its about being at a festival for me with the bonus of some stuff I wanted to see anyway.

I'm on the fence about live music demand - I'd be interested to see what happens if they announced a festival with a really popular lineup in a month's time.

Obviously not exactly a crowd that you'd expect to be particularly cautious but Courteeners shifted 70,000 tickets for September before freedom day was confirmed, so the demand seems to be there. The lineups aren't though 

Edited July 14, 2021 by efcfanwirral

[Toilet Duck]

34 minutes ago, Matt42 said:

I hope when I comment inflammatory things you understand I’m only trying to equalise debate where I see things going too hard in one direction.

Absolutely, I certainly don’t take it personally! 🙂

[jannybruck]

There was definitely a sweet spot a few months ago where stuff was selling out constantly and people's confidence was high. For whatever reason – probably to do with all the uncertainty around events, but possibly people's financial circumstances and vaccine status as well – it seems to have dropped off considerably.

[Crazyfool01]

3 minutes ago, efcfanwirral said:

Latitude is an interesting one - as I'm finding out its a hell of a journey for most people. Most years I look at it and think nah way too far, but with it being a test event and others I had tickets for cancelling I'm happy to make the effort. The lineup is good for me but only because I've spent a year listening to smaller artists who all happen to be on, plus supergrass, Stephen Fretwell and wolf Alice would've been on my must sees for this year anyway. But the lineup isn't what I'd call good genrally- and I wouldn't consider it in normal years. But then I post on efestivals so am not the general public- its about being at a festival for me with the bonus of some stuff I wanted to see anyway.

I'm on the fence about live music demand - I'd be interested to see what happens if they announced a festival with a really popular lineup in a month's time.

Obviously not exactly a crowd that you'd expect to be particularly cautious but Courteeners shifted 70,000 tickets for September before freedom day was confirmed, so the demand seems to be there. The lineups aren't though 

Equinox will be a bit of a ticket test in sept … 

[faymondo]

Weird how this Covid plays on your mind.

I will be quite happy to go to a gig again.

I have put off rejoining the gym until this "wave" blows over. I know any excuse ha ha.

Nevermind "Freedom" day on July 19th I think they should rename it "Division" day. All kinds of shit ahead. 

As it goes I will do what I want but have no problem with people doing what they want RE rule changes.

[fraybentos1]

5 minutes ago, Nobody Interesting said:

You must be very old to have lived through a pandemic then as the last global one was a hundred years ago.

and as for the rest of your comment - grow up, stop thinking about nobody but you and realise there is a huge world and not just the small isolated part you exist in.

Didn’t say I’d lived through it you diddy. 
 

No idea what you mean by the second part but you’re extremely condescending. Obviously it’ll be slower route to Normal for poor countries but it’ll come too 

[Radiochicken]

44 minutes ago, Matt42 said:

Challenging people’s views is not telling people to shut up. If anything I’ve seen more aggression from people who get challenged on the view that everyone wants to continue restrictions.

You might think your “challenging people’s views” on this forum by standing on a wall pointing at (in your mind only) potential anti-vax comments.

What’s actually “challenging people’s views” is asking questions - even stupid ones - and having a factual science-led debate about it.

Edit: btw I agree with your wider point at the unbalanced media portrayal of perceived negatives with the vaccines. A little wound up a question on a forum would get bundled into that, but no beef. 👌

Edited July 14, 2021 by Radiochicken

[incident]

41 minutes ago, Nobody Interesting said:

It will take years and years and maybe in all our lifetimes we will never see what was deemed normal again.

If you honestly believe that, then why are you here?

I'm serious on this. If that statement turns out to be even halfway true, then Glastonbury Festival in a recognisable form will never happen again, so being on this forum is just torturing yourself.

If there's an ongoing risk of restrictions being kept or reimposed, then the absolute first thing to go will be a festival with a near 2-month build time and a staff of over 20 FTE year round that requires signifiant money to be committed 3 or even 6 months ahead of the event. Something of that scale can no longer be workable - we'll be left with much simpler events that can be set up with less than 2 months notice and 3 weeks build (ie the type that have survived this year). More complex events, specifically Glastonbury and Boomtown, simply become too much risk.

Commercial insurance won't touch it, and Michael and Emily won't (or at least, shouldn't) literally risk the farm on a yearly basis.

[MrBarry465]

47 minutes ago, fraybentos1 said:

Nothing more irritating than hyperbolic nonsense like this. It's a pandemic, we have had them before and will have them again. It will end.

Whats deemed normal is completely relative and evolves over time as well though.

I'm not suggesting anything by this post either, but people also need to understand that what society deems as 'normal' now will not be 'normal' in 40 years. 

As a species we never stay stagnant and are constantly evolving, sometimes things like pandemics fast track certain new societal norms. 

Edited July 14, 2021 by MrBarry465

[Guest]

5 minutes ago, MrBarry465 said:

Whats deemed normal is completely relative and evolves over time as well though.

I'm not suggesting anything by this post either, but people also need to understand that what society deems as 'normal' now will not be 'normal' in 40 years. 

As a species we never stay stagnant and are constantly evolving, sometimes things like pandemics fast track certain new societal norms. 

I think that we as a species we have to make some significant changes to society/lifestyles to combat the climate crises in the years to come. Maybe this period will help us prepare for when that time comes?

[MrBarry465]

3 minutes ago, Ozanne said:

I think that we as a species we have to make some significant changes to society/lifestyles to combat the climate crises in the years to come. Maybe this period will help us prepare for when that time comes?

Agreed.

Changes to our diets and how we travel/consume would need to happen if we are to make it I feel.

[incident]

4 minutes ago, Nobody Interesting said:

All I am saying is that what we all took for granted as 'normal' in 2019 will not be anything like that again for a very long time, if ever................ unless we get lucky and Covid 19 simply vanishes.

If that's all you're saying, it's a vague and meaningless statement that could mean damn near anything.

[Guest]

Just now, MrBarry465 said:

Agreed.

Changes to our diets and how we travel/consume would need to happen if we are to make it I feel.

For sure, every little thing helps. I hope as a society we will be ready to make the necessary changes.

[gooner1990]

22 minutes ago, MrBarry465 said:

As a species we never stay stagnant and are constantly evolving, sometimes things like pandemics fast track certain new societal norms. 

True...think back 40 years to 1981 (if you're old enough) and you will see the world was a very different place back then!

[steviewevie]

1 hour ago, Matt42 said:

How many do I need to share? 

oh, maybe 200?

[steviewevie]

12 minutes ago, gooner1990 said:

True...think back 40 years to 1981 (if you're old enough) and you will see the world was a very different place back then!

no internet. 3 tv channels. You could smoke in pubs, restaurants, buses and planes. A divided labour party and nutty tory government.

[steviewevie]

also...didn't have to wear seat belts. Halcyon days.

[fraybentos1]

36 minutes ago, MrBarry465 said:

Whats deemed normal is completely relative and evolves over time as well though.

I'm not suggesting anything by this post either, but people also need to understand that what society deems as 'normal' now will not be 'normal' in 40 years. 

As a species we never stay stagnant and are constantly evolving, sometimes things like pandemics fast track certain new societal norms. 

I think maybe post-pandemic we will look back and say maybe this sped up more flexible working behaviours, maybe people won't go into work sick, maybe some medicine has been advanced by a decade or whatever. All good changes. To me, 'new normal' means something worse than what we had before. Maybe that is just the way I take it to mean.

[fraybentos1]

29 minutes ago, incident said:

If that's all you're saying, it's a vague and meaningless statement that could mean damn near anything.

Exactly! No specifics just a vague notion of 'I know better than you'. WOuld like to hear some specifics here but of course they won't be forthcoming....

[steviewevie]

40 minutes ago, MrBarry465 said:

As a species we never stay stagnant and are constantly evolving, sometimes things like pandemics fast track certain new societal norms. 

yeah... Think it has shown how many sacrifices people are willing to make for the greater good, but also the limits, especially with the duration of these sacrifices. Also shows how important the state still is, despite the libertarian free marketer types. And also again, how human ingenuity, with enough willpower, money and cooperation can do amazing things..

[steviewevie]

..and how important political leadership is, and how you really don't want someone like Boris Johnson in charge during a crisis.

[stuartbert two hats]

13 minutes ago, steviewevie said:

no internet. 3 tv channels. You could smoke in pubs, restaurants, buses and planes. A divided labour party and nutty tory government.

😆

[DeanoL]

49 minutes ago, incident said:

If you honestly believe that, then why are you here?

I'm serious on this. If that statement turns out to be even halfway true, then Glastonbury Festival in a recognisable form will never happen again, so being on this forum is just torturing yourself.

I think most people on here would make big changes to Glastonbury if given the opportunity. Even if that's just "make it like it was X years ago". 

I think outdoor events will be fine long term though regardless.

17 minutes ago, Barry Fish said:

Not sure you can compare mild social, political and economic differences between 1981 and modern days compared to the shift in "normal" between 2019 and 2021.   It's not quite the same thing.

Part of it is that they happened gradually though. If the modern day internet had come in overnight I feel like it would be almost as big a change. But the other thing is the current "shift" is temporary. And was always known to be temporary. Except of course the things that aren't!

[steviewevie]

Looks like Balerearic Islands going to be moved back to amber.

[gooner1990]

26 minutes ago, fraybentos1 said:

I think maybe post-pandemic we will look back and say maybe this sped up more flexible working behaviours, maybe people won't go into work sick, maybe some medicine has been advanced by a decade or whatever. All good changes. To me, 'new normal' means something worse than what we had before. Maybe that is just the way I take it to mean.

I think a lot of people forget this doesn't apply to the entire workforce...yes its its going to make things easier for people like myself who work in offices.  But I also have friends who work in the theatre industry, postmen, chippys, sparkys, maintenence, catering, retail etc.  Nothing changes for them.