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1 hour ago, fraybentos1 said:

Well when then? You say it’s defo happening.. and it must be pretty  soon if it’s due to the covid backlog . It’s scaremongering nonsense .

We'll just have to see won't we. A former banker as health sec, Dido harding going for head of NHS...never let a good crisis go to waste

Though would a hybrid system be so bad? Currently it's clearly not working and we have many more years of tory rule so funding it isn't an option - maybe we'll get lucky and get something that's not as bad the American system. Whatever is happening now isn't working and we don't have lots of options within the framework of the system and ruling party we currently have. A fully free NHS is only good if it actually works

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6 hours ago, Barry Fish said:

Their domestic vaccine was a dud and now they have locked borders until 2045. 

The UQ vaccine didn't make it out of Phase 1 trials from memory so it was never going to be the backbone of the Oz vaccine program at least initially. Not withstanding the failed rollout logistics, hesitancy due to complacency, dysfunctional federation with federal and state governments bickering etc they bet the house on Oxford/AZ, didn't order enough Pfizer or others and with the blood clot issue changing the recommended age ranges, they have huge supply issues. Absolute debacle

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5 hours ago, efcfanwirral said:

We'll just have to see won't we. A former banker as health sec, Dido harding going for head of NHS...never let a good crisis go to waste

Though would a hybrid system be so bad? Currently it's clearly not working and we have many more years of tory rule so funding it isn't an option - maybe we'll get lucky and get something that's not as bad the American system. Whatever is happening now isn't working and we don't have lots of options within the framework of the system and ruling party we currently have. A fully free NHS is only good if it actually works

I'm sure there are plenty in government and Tory party who would like, or at least wouldn't mind, privatisation of the NHS, but the public would be very much against it and it would be a massive boon to the opposition. So they'll probably stick with the BBC for now, much more doable. Saying that, the NHS is probably going to need a lot more funding, as is social care that sits alongside it, massive amounts, and the public might start to change their minds when they see less money in their wages and other stuff being cut, so maybe one day it is possible, means tested health care or something.

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These footballers that test positive, but none of the other players and coaches do - surely some of these must be false positives?
Im not sure how else just one player would have contracted it in the first place given how the team camps are set up, and for them to then not pass it on to anybody else given the close proximity to the rest of the squad is just very strange. 

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11 minutes ago, Chapple12345 said:

Very very impressive, judging by this they'll reach the 19th target and then they really won't have any excuses to not reopen 

Issue is of course that if the government try and move the dates even further back it will just demotivate the under 30’s to come forward. I really can’t see how they can do this now tbh.

The whole idea of being vaccinated but still trapped in this dystopian nightmare is fucking bizarre isn’t it?!

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8 hours ago, efcfanwirral said:

Though would a hybrid system be so bad? Currently it's clearly not working and we have many more years of tory rule so funding it isn't an option - maybe we'll get lucky and get something that's not as bad the American system. Whatever is happening now isn't working and we don't have lots of options within the framework of the system and ruling party we currently have. A fully free NHS is only good if it actually works

Reading online discussions about healthcare in the UK, you’d sometimes think the only two possible options are the NHS or a rapacious capitalist private US-style model. 

We seem to have a real blind spot that most European countries use a hybrid public-private system. Many of them are better than ours both on health outcomes and value for money. 

I understand why the NHS is venerated as it is. But any discussion about its future immediately drags in historical political & social baggage that doesn’t really belong in a serious look at 21st century healthcare. 

That said, I absolutely do not trust our current clowns in charge to do anything sensible about it! 😐

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8 hours ago, efcfanwirral said:

We'll just have to see won't we. A former banker as health sec, Dido harding going for head of NHS...never let a good crisis go to waste

Though would a hybrid system be so bad? Currently it's clearly not working and we have many more years of tory rule so funding it isn't an option - maybe we'll get lucky and get something that's not as bad the American system. Whatever is happening now isn't working and we don't have lots of options within the framework of the system and ruling party we currently have. A fully free NHS is only good if it actually works

Which bit isnt working?

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8 hours ago, Gregfc15 said:

The UQ vaccine didn't make it out of Phase 1 trials from memory so it was never going to be the backbone of the Oz vaccine program at least initially. Not withstanding the failed rollout logistics, hesitancy due to complacency, dysfunctional federation with federal and state governments bickering etc they bet the house on Oxford/AZ, didn't order enough Pfizer or others and with the blood clot issue changing the recommended age ranges, they have huge supply issues. Absolute debacle

It failed phase 2 or 3 didn't it?  It was around December 2020 so it was fairly far along and they have ordered 50+ million doses.

You are wrong.  It was 100% the backbone and when it failed it exposed a huge shortfall they would now face.

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1 hour ago, Chapple12345 said:

Very very impressive, judging by this they'll reach the 19th target and then they really won't have any excuses to not reopen 

Incredible take up in such a short amount of time frame. Hopefully commentators know the media/politics will scrap the idea that the young aren’t interested in the vaccines. 

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4 minutes ago, Barry Fish said:

It failed phase 2 or 3 didn't it?  It was around December 2020 so it was fairly far along and they have ordered 50+ million doses.

You are wrong.  It was 100% the backbone and when it failed it exposed a huge shortfall they would now face.

https://www.bioworld.com/articles/501376-csl-university-of-queensland-quit-covid-19-vaccine-trials-due-to-hiv-antibody-response?v=preview

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But please tell me again how I am wrong

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7 minutes ago, Fuzzy Afro said:

It’s all over. New HS is a hawk. 22 days till freedom.

Which sounds great - but what is freedom. Festival test events still happening after the 19th so no change with those.

Traffic light system still existing for travel so little or no change with that unless you like to holiday in Europe maybe.

I am really not sure how freedom day as it is called will make much if any difference to our lives as we go to gigs and festivals and travel overseas for work to places that are all on the Red List.

I hope very much to be wrong and we are able to do these things again but I really do not se much evidence that we might be able to.

 

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1 hour ago, Gregfc15 said:

Because you said it wasn't the bedrock. 

I asked you a question in regards to the trial.

Australia edged its largely on their own vaccine in the same way we did with AZ.  If AZ had failed we would of struggled.

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57 minutes ago, Nobody Interesting said:

Which sounds great - but what is freedom. Festival test events still happening after the 19th so no change with those.

Traffic light system still existing for travel so little or no change with that unless you like to holiday in Europe maybe.

I am really not sure how freedom day as it is called will make much if any difference to our lives as we go to gigs and festivals and travel overseas for work to places that are all on the Red List.

I hope very much to be wrong and we are able to do these things again but I really do not se much evidence that we might be able to.

 

Very true.  What freedom looks like is questionable and I am worried schools next year are still going to be a shitshow 

If I can go shopping, pubs,  restaurants etc not social distancing and not wearing masks...  I will see that as a win at the moment 

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fingers crossed

Sajid Javid, the new health secretary, has recorded a brief clip for broadcasters. He said that his priority would be trying to ensure that people can return to normal, in terms of seeing Covid restrictions lifted, as soon as possible.

Here is the full quote.

 

I was honoured to take up this position. I also know that it comes with huge responsibility. And I will do everything I can to make sure that I deliver for the people of this great country.

We are still in a pandemic and I want to see that come to an end as soon as possible, and that will be my most immediate priority - to see that we can return to normal as soon and as quickly as possible.

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Just now, zahidf said:

fingers crossed

Sajid Javid, the new health secretary, has recorded a brief clip for broadcasters. He said that his priority would be trying to ensure that people can return to normal, in terms of seeing Covid restrictions lifted, as soon as possible.

Here is the full quote.

 

I was honoured to take up this position. I also know that it comes with huge responsibility. And I will do everything I can to make sure that I deliver for the people of this great country.

We are still in a pandemic and I want to see that come to an end as soon as possible, and that will be my most immediate priority - to see that we can return to normal as soon and as quickly as possible.

Winning hearts and minds  - go Javid!

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6 minutes ago, Kusy said:

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Sounds promising, I do think the 19th will happen especially as the vaccines have been doing a good job so far with reducing hospitalisations and deaths. It amazes me though even with rising cases there's been no indication of rolling back or enforcing restrictions from any leading  experts, if that's the case I do wonder if releasing daily figures is going to be stopped if we're not focusing so much on them 

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1 minute ago, Chapple12345 said:

Sounds promising, I do think the 19th will happen especially as the vaccines have been doing a good job so far with reducing hospitalisations and deaths. It amazes me though even with rising cases there's been no indication of rolling back or enforcing restrictions from any leading  experts, if that's the case I do wonder if releasing daily figures is going to be stopped if we're not focusing so much on them 

Eventually, not yet.

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