When will this shit end?

[Radiochicken]

1 hour ago, st dan said:

It’s evolving day by day, based on data, variants, impacts of the vaccine etc. In terms of project management it’s running Agile and not the traditional Waterfall method. 

Respectfully disagree with that. An agile project has goals/a vision just the same as a waterfall project. I’d run my agile project very differently if the vision was to “reduce capacity in NHS to manageable levels” vs “eradicate the virus completely”.

Doesn’t matter how you manage the delivery of the project - if you don’t know that the core aim/vision is, you’ll always fail. 

 

[st dan]

3 minutes ago, Ozanne said:

I find it so frustrating that people let them off by saying something like ‘no one has had to deal with this before’ or ‘no one else could do any better’ etc. It treats the victims of this pandemic with little respect and ignores the fact that we could have seen this coming and acted accordingly. 

That’s referring to previous mistakes they made, which they should be held fully accountable for. I don’t think many people actually feel they aren’t to blame in some way do they?

Im talking specifically about their plans to reopen after this lockdown, and let’s see their proposed roadmap and how they are planning to reopen before jumping to conclusions that’s it’s a failure. It could well prove out to be, but let’s wait and see. 

[Guest]

1 minute ago, RobertProsineckisLighter said:

You do know that life and the real world isn't like building flat pack furniture don't you? You don't have all the pieces and all the tools laid out in front of you with a manual. 

Real life is the stage before that goes wrong where someone is working out all the shit that's needed in the flat pack and guess what they get it wrong many times and even when it's got right they still tweek it.

Actually there was something very similar, I’ve mentioned it before but look up Operation Cygnus. I know you won’t but have a look. 

[RobertProsineckisLighter]

2 minutes ago, Ozanne said:

Actually there was something very similar, I’ve mentioned it before but look up Operation Cygnus. I know you won’t but have a look. 

You know I won't... What a dick 

I don't need to look it up because I know what it is - a three day exercise based on the flu of some description. 

Edited February 10, 2021 by RobertProsineckisLighter

[Guest]

1 minute ago, st dan said:

That’s referring to previous mistakes they made, which they should be held fully accountable for. I don’t think many people actually feel they aren’t to blame in some way do they?

Im talking specifically about their plans to reopen after this lockdown, and let’s see their proposed roadmap and how they are planning to reopen before jumping to conclusions that’s it’s a failure. It could well prove out to be, but let’s wait and see. 

You’d be surprised, take a look at this very page. 
 

Yeah I’m going to wait to see what they suggest but my point originally was that they have used up any good faith through their handling of the exits of the last 2 lockdowns. Therefore as a result I don’t think they should get that leeway now. 

[st dan]

1 minute ago, Radiochicken said:

Respectfully disagree with that. An agile project has goals/a vision just the same as a waterfall project. I’d run my agile project very differently if the vision was to “reduce capacity in NHS to manageable levels” vs “eradicate the virus completely”.

Doesn’t matter how you manage the delivery of the project - if you don’t know that the core aim/vision is, you’ll always fail. 

 

Yeah I totally get where you’re coming from, but surely the aim of this is something along the lines of ‘a journey back to normality (pre pandemic levels) whilst ensuring the NHS doesn’t become overwhelmed and deaths are kept to a minimum’. 
Rather than just aiming for that by an arbitrary date of ‘by 1st July’ it’s constantly evolving based on real life data from number of positive tests, number of deaths, vaccine rollout numbers, vaccine effectiveness etc. It will need to essentially be run in 2 weeks sprints where it is evaluated before determining next steps on the story board. It’s possible that what they had envisaged will need to be reassessed based on the real life data feeding though, and targets will be adjusted accordingly. 

[gooner1990]

15 minutes ago, RobertProsineckisLighter said:

Like I say I've been working through out. If I was on my own I think I'd be caining it Friday to Sunday and before I know it it would be Monday and I'd still be a mess. 

I'd be up for a few days away from the Mrs and Boy after this long to be honest as they would from each other too. 

The novelty has well and truly worn off - there are so many films, TV series, albums, and things you can stomach. 

I've started working longer and longer days again because it's something different really not a good situation for anyone to be in. 

Last summer I was caining it a lot at weekends sitting in the garden....drinking, smoking weed and a fair bit of nosebag  (weekend only) with the girlfriend....we decided at New Years to knock it on the head for the time being so i'm 6 weeks off everything apart from drink and my body does sure appreciate it but it has meant a lot of dull evenings/weekends.

I'm not really at TV person apart for football but my Nintendo Switch took a hammering to start with now even that's boring!

[st dan]

3 minutes ago, Ozanne said:

You’d be surprised, take a look at this very page. 
 

Yeah I’m going to wait to see what they suggest but my point originally was that they have used up any good faith through their handling of the exits of the last 2 lockdowns. Therefore as a result I don’t think they should get that leeway now. 

So by your logic, somebody that was once convicted of a crime is automatically guilty of the next one they are accused of without fair trial? Just go on past experience and lock them up before hearing their side of things?

Again, I feel the need to point out that I think this government is useless and have acted criminally throughout (both by sheer incompetence and callousness) but they can’t be criticised for how we are going to come out of this lockdown when they haven’t even published it yet!
 

[steviewevie]

WHO to write off AZ?

[Guest]

9 minutes ago, RobertProsineckisLighter said:

You know I won't... What a dick 

I don't need to look it up because I know what it is - a three day exercise based on the flu of some description. 

I suggest you read more into it and also into the UK’s biological security strategy, published in 2018 to address the threat of pandemics, which was not properly implemented. It’ll give you good insight into this.

3 minutes ago, st dan said:

So by your logic, somebody that was once convicted of a crime is automatically guilty of the next one they are accused of without fair trial? Just go on past experience and lock them up before hearing their side of things?

Again, I feel the need to point out that I think this government is useless and have acted criminally throughout (both by sheer incompetence and callousness) but they can’t be criticised for how we are going to come out of this lockdown when they haven’t even published it yet!
 

That analogy doesn’t really work as they too completely different things. In this instance we have seen many different aspects of their handling of this, we have the SAGE minutes so we can behind the scenes what was being recommended and then what was done as a result. They’ve fucked it twice coming out of lockdown so I’m not going to give them another chance and assume this time will be different. 

[steviewevie]

Ursula von der Leyen admits errors in EU Covid vaccine rollout

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/feb/10/ursula-von-der-leyen-admits-errors-in-eu-covid-vaccine-rollout

[JoeyT]

Just now, steviewevie said:

WHO to write off AZ?

Same folks who said there was no human to human transmission of COVID.

Pinch of salt required here I think...

[steviewevie]

Just now, JoeyT said:

Same folks who said there was no human to human transmission of COVID.

Pinch of salt required here I think...

ok, will ignore them when they recommend AZ for all ages.

[steviewevie]

 

[JoeyT]

Just now, steviewevie said:

ok, will ignore them when they recommend AZ for all ages.

If they do that then we can believe everything they say and take the piss out of our friends in the EU.

Especially Macron.

[fatyeti24]

5 minutes ago, gooner1990 said:

Last summer I was caining it a lot at weekends sitting in the garden....drinking, smoking weed and a fair bit of nosebag  (weekend only) with the girlfriend....we decided at New Years to knock it on the head for the time being so i'm 6 weeks off everything apart from drink and my body does sure appreciate it but it has meant a lot of dull evenings/weekends.

I'm not really at TV person apart for football but my Nintendo Switch took a hammering to start with now even that's boring!

It's fucking shit, innit?

We've got it better than most - just two of us, plenty of space, in a beautiful part of the country and with all the advantages modern technology can bring and even I'm going out of my mind with boredom.  Every day is the fucking same!  We've worked for 3 months since this started, last summer, and it's looking like it'll be the summer before we start again.

[steviewevie]

1 minute ago, JoeyT said:

If they do that then we can believe everything they say and take the piss out of our friends in the EU.

Especially Macron.

Maybe our friends in EU will change their policies if more evidence that works for over 65s.

[gooner1990]

Just now, fatyeti24 said:

It's fucking shit, innit?

We've got it better than most - just two of us, plenty of space, in a beautiful part of the country and with all the advantages modern technology can bring and even I'm going out of my mind with boredom.  Every day is the fucking same!  We've worked for 3 months since this started, last summer, and it's looking like it'll be the summer before we start again.

Yeh....a few weeks ago Chris Moyles said on the radio the difference between those with children and those without is boredom.  Very true.

I mean for a few weeks/months is tolerable but now we are at almost a year and all I'm clinging onto is that Boris says something on the 22nd Feb that gives me some hope of light out of this.

I'm furloughed aside from Mondays when luckily I go into Oxford for work.  So my routine is that,  thenTuesday-Sunday fuck all apart from the weekly shop at Tesco and putting the bins out...its even too cold for my full daily walk at the moment.

My mental health (which is usually top notch) has taken a hammering this last year with all the ups and downs with home life, work, no holidays, things cancelled same for everyone I know.....don't know whether I'm coming or going half the time.

 

[duke88]

2 hours ago, steviewevie said:

Japan

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/feb/10/japan-pfizer-vaccine-doses-wrong-syringes

Are we using those super syringes here?

[stuie]

42 minutes ago, Ozanne said:

I don’t find it tiring at all criticising them, in fact I find it quite entertaining to hold them to account for their mistakes.

As a casual reader of this thread, this is obvious and it’s boring to read. 

[zahidf]

 

[fraybentos1]

Scotland figures for today are 57,447. Which is great considering the amount of snowfall here last couple days.

[steviewevie]

11 minutes ago, zahidf said:

 

near zero covid? low covid? not very much covid? less than we have now covid?

[zahidf]

 

13 million hit altogether!

 

 

 

Edited February 10, 2021 by zahidf

[zahidf]

Boris press conference today