When will this shit end?

[steviewevie]

4 minutes ago, zahidf said:

Boris press conference today

Awesome!

[zahidf]

A study of more than 1m people in England has revealed additional symptoms that are linked with having Covid-19, PA media reports.

Chills, loss of appetite, headaches and muscle aches have been reported as symptoms.

This is in addition to the classic symptoms - loss of sense of smell and taste, fever and a new persistent cough.

The research is based on swab tests and questionnaires collected between June 2020 and January 2021 as part of the Imperial College London-led React study.

[steviewevie]

Just now, zahidf said:

A study of more than 1m people in England has revealed additional symptoms that are linked with having Covid-19, PA media reports.

Chills, loss of appetite, headaches and muscle aches have been reported as symptoms.

This is in addition to the classic symptoms - loss of sense of smell and taste, fever and a new persistent cough.

The research is based on swab tests and questionnaires collected between June 2020 and January 2021 as part of the Imperial College London-led React study.

are people getting different symptoms with the different variants?

[PM87]

1 hour ago, philipsteak said:

Got my first shift on Friday. Looking forwards to it. Spent 7 of the last 12  months furloughed, so just nice to have something to do. Actually, technically I've had furlough payments for nearly 11 of the last 12 months. 7 on full furlough though.

Plus I normally steward at festivals, so just nice to get the high-vis on. Not sure I'll be asked back if I try to treat it too much like a festival

I feel you on the furlough. I've been furloughed since April and at times it's been quite soul destroying. I know I'm luckier than some in my industry who have completely slipped through the gaps with financial support but i just long to go back to work. Volunteering has made such a difference the past few weeks. Especially in this lockdown, which I've struggled with more than lockdown 1 & 2. Enjoy your first shift on Friday 🙂

[JoeyT]

3 minutes ago, zahidf said:

A study of more than 1m people in England has revealed additional symptoms that are linked with having Covid-19, PA media reports.

Chills, loss of appetite, headaches and muscle aches have been reported as symptoms.

This is in addition to the classic symptoms - loss of sense of smell and taste, fever and a new persistent cough.

The research is based on swab tests and questionnaires collected between June 2020 and January 2021 as part of the Imperial College London-led React study.

I'd say the most severe symptom I had when I had COVID were headaches.

Didn't get a fever or any cough / chest / breathing related symptoms at all.

[Toilet Duck]

1 hour ago, steviewevie said:

when do you think we'll get these whole virus vaccines?

There's some in early phase clinical testing at the moment, have to see how they work though!

[PM87]

1 hour ago, km9 said:

Hello mate, I know a few people have replied already with encouraging words but I just wanted to say that I think your concerns about the effects of the vaccine being worse than having covid are probably very wide of the mark. Although I can't say that I definitely had a vaccine, I've recently had a jab in a trial and had a headache that evening, plus spent the night sweating. At no point did I feel ill, certainly no more than a normal headache, so I took a couple of paracetamol and went to bed early. I'm sure the same would be the case for you.

Thanks. I'm sure I'm overthinking it and it will be absolutely fine. I will definitely be taking the vaccine when my time comes. 

Which trial are you taking part in? 

[steviewevie]

 

[JoeyT]

Is there an irony in the South West consistently having the least positive cases but also top in the vaccination programme?!

 

[RobertProsineckisLighter]

53 minutes ago, Ozanne said:

I suggest you read more into it and also into the UK’s biological security strategy, published in 2018 to address the threat of pandemics, which was not properly implemented. It’ll give you good insight into this.

That analogy doesn’t really work as they too completely different things. In this instance we have seen many different aspects of their handling of this, we have the SAGE minutes so we can behind the scenes what was being recommended and then what was done as a result. They’ve fucked it twice coming out of lockdown so I’m not going to give them another chance and assume this time will be different. 

I bow to your superior knowledge in everything. 

[zahidf]

 

 

 

[hodgey123]

3 minutes ago, JoeyT said:

Is there an irony in the South West consistently having the least positive cases but also top in the vaccination programme?!

 

I would imagine that is because we have the oldest average age in the population (I am assuming this based on where I live but I think it is the case), so less people out and about to spread it to initially as the older population by and large tended to be more cautious and then equally there is more of them to vaccinate?

[hodgey123]

1 minute ago, zahidf said:

 

 

 

This corroborates what was leaked overnight in The Sun so think we can start to trust the numbers now. Great news.

[steviewevie]

 

[steviewevie]

1 minute ago, hodgey123 said:

This corroborates what was leaked overnight in The Sun so think we can start to trust the numbers now. Great news.

bit shit this stuff just gets leaked to the press all the time....

[zahidf]

1 minute ago, steviewevie said:

bit shit this stuff just gets leaked to the press all the time....

According to the times, Hancock is blocking the info at the moment because they want more information on effect on hospitalisations. 

[st dan]

2 minutes ago, hodgey123 said:

This corroborates what was leaked overnight in The Sun so think we can start to trust the numbers now. Great news.

Yep - it’s certainly looking promising.

That article also states that the delay in publishing these findings is due to Hancock wanting figures on the impact to hospitalisations and deaths, so good to see the government not getting too carried away and are waiting for real world figures to be confirmed before shouting from the rooftops with the news.  

[PM87]

2 hours ago, JoeyT said:

 

Looking forward to seeing data like this for the UK soon. Or is it out there already and I've completely missed it.

[PM87]

7 minutes ago, zahidf said:

 

 

 

There we go 🙂

[Crazyfool01]

5 minutes ago, hodgey123 said:

I would imagine that is because we have the oldest average age in the population (I am assuming this based on where I live but I think it is the case), so less people out and about to spread it to initially as the older population by and large tended to be more cautious and then equally there is more of them to vaccinate?

Yep I’ve also seen this and is why we have the most vaccinated because many fall into those categories ..

[fraybentos1]

13 minutes ago, zahidf said:

 

 

 

This is fantastic, text here if anyone wants it:

 

Vaccination is cutting Britons’ risk of infection by about two thirds, according to the first real world data.

However, publication has been delayed because Matt Hancock, the health secretary, wants the first published evidence on the effectiveness of the NHS vaccination programme to include assessment of its impact on saving lives and keeping people out of hospital.

He has been told it is too soon for the impact on hospitalisations and deaths to become clear, while key government scientific advisers say the true impact of vaccines on transmission of the virus may not be known for months.

The Times reported a week ago that Public Health England has compiled a “very, very promising” study confirming that people who have been vaccinated are now proving significantly less likely to become ill with Covid than those of similar ages who have had jabs.

Sources this morning confirmed reports in The Sun that the level of protection was about 60-65 per cent in old and young alike, although final numbers are expected to change as more data is added. Protection takes about two weeks to build in the young and about three weeks in older adults.

The study, due to be published in a medical journal, includes data up to January 24 and is seen by those in government as clear proof that the vaccination programme will soon cut deaths, as well as vindication of the controversial strategy of delaying second doses to give first jabs to more people.

However, the study is based only on people getting the Pfizer jab so does not yet provide conclusive rebuttal of concerns raised in Germany and elsewhere about lack of data for the effectiveness of the Oxford AstraZeneca jab in over-65s. Scientists expect it to offer a similar level of protection in the elderly.

Although the findings suggest real world effectiveness is lower than the efficacy of about 95 per cent reported in trials, this is not unexpected and has made government scientists confident that a reduction in hospitalisation and deaths will follow.

Hancock is understood to want the published data to include an early estimate on the level of protection offered against hospitalisation and deaths, but has been told this will take longer to become clear.

Professor Anthony Harnden, deputy head of the Joint Committee of Vaccination and Immunisation, told The Times recently: “The data we have is still is very early because it only reflects approximately three or four weeks of the programme and it’s mainly based on the Pfizer vaccine because that was the first one introduced.”

But he said: “For community testing, there’s definitely an effect of the vaccine on the reduction of positive cases. The preliminary data indicate a vaccine effect from the first dose in both younger adults and in older adults over 80. The effect seems to increase over time. It is possible that we may get stronger and better long-term protection by a delayed second dose.”

The PHE study is based on anonymised data on everyone who has tested positive outside of hospitals, which can then be matched with vaccination records. This allows estimates of the chances of someone who has received the jab becoming ill and testing positive compared with someone who has not been vaccinated.

Boris Johnson wants convincing evidence on the effectiveness of vaccination before he publishes a roadmap out of lockdown on February 22. While it is hoped that by then immunisation will be having a noticeable impact on deaths, senior sources told The Times that it is less clear that an impact on transmission will be detectable.

Cases are still so high that it is very hard to pin down where a person became infected, making it difficult to establish whether someone who had been vaccinated was passing the virus on. However, studies of transmission of the virus are also underway involving regular swabs of health workers who have no symptoms to see if they are less likely to test positive.

[PM87]

1 hour ago, steviewevie said:

There's a Trump doc on bbc2 tonight too...I love a bit of weirdy trump shit...holding hands with May and stuff.

Have you watched The Trump Show on the BBC? 4 eps that follow him from when he was elected all the way to the riots on the Capitol. 

https://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/p093rzhd/the-trump-show-downfall

[mattiloy]

On 2/9/2021 at 1:10 PM, parsonjack said:

I've still got Fontaines DC in Bath on May 4th uncancelled.  Not a hope though.

They have just the last couple of days moved forward most of the european dates now to May 2022. I expect the UK ones to follow.

[Guest]

 

[hodgey123]

14 minutes ago, steviewevie said:

bit shit this stuff just gets leaked to the press all the time....

Absolutely, although it will mean we will probably have a leaked idea of the roadmap next weekend rather than waiting for 22nd...