When will this shit end?

[Ryan1984]

46 minutes ago, Leyrulion said:

My guess

 

Schools -8th March

Shops- Easter

Hospitality- May Bank Holiday (Tuesday after)

Tier 0/less social distancing (e.g. 1/3 capacity stadiums, completely free household mixing, no numbers on group size) - Late May Bank Holiday

 

Quarantine rules Inc hotels to be tightened by Easter and stay until 2022.

Removal of social distancing rules entirely-?????

 

Any chance schools might go back in a phased manner? Early years and GCSE first and then the rest after Easter? I think the two weeks could really help.

[zahidf]

7 minutes ago, steviewevie said:

Fuckin come on!

 

HANDS OFF. THEY WONT LIKE IT UP THEM

I notice the EU aren't really coming across well with these threats

[steviewevie]

If there's a vaccine war I'm going to be a secret agent for the EU.

(Don't tell anyone)

[steviewevie]

1 hour ago, steviewevie said:

I'm on the EU's side no matter what. Bollocks to brexit...etc.

HAHA, triggered.

[hodgey123]

It is just absolutely typical that these vaccine disputes arise when the faintest light at the end of the tunnel was starting to emerge with the progress we were making on the vaccine roll out. So mentally draining. 

[zahidf]

8 minutes ago, Ryan1984 said:

Any chance schools might go back in a phased manner? Early years and GCSE first and then the rest after Easter? I think the two weeks could really help.

Depends on how things go but I suspect they'll do all the schools at once

[zahidf]

I always thought the UK would be bad guys when the EU trade wars happens....

Edited January 27, 2021 by zahidf

[steviewevie]

I guess we need to see these AZ contracts. Does UK have a priority clause in there that EU knew nothing about?

[steviewevie]

 

[steviewevie]

Still, at least this EU/AZ thing is a nice distraction from the fuckin appalling amount of deaths we've had in this country.

[dotdash79]

11 minutes ago, steviewevie said:

Still, at least this EU/AZ thing is a nice distraction from the fuckin appalling amount of deaths we've had in this country.

We would get a few more deaths with an actual war. 

[Crazyfool01]

Olympics still working towards happening 

[Copperface]

There's definitely something a bit off though when you look at the way the whole AZ rollout thing was cloaked in what appears to be misinformation - Soriot saying that AZ hoped to  increase deliveries up to 2 million doses pw over the month by end January, the Government reacting like a scalded cat when the Scottish Government published the delivery schedule and subsequently rapidly took it down,  Zahawi refusing to give straight answers as to delivery projections  at the beginning of the month, all the info about having massive stockpiles due to the parallel manufacture/approval process apparently being wrong...... 

It's not been transparent at all and often when that happens, someone is trying to hide something.

[stuartbert two hats]

9 minutes ago, dotdash79 said:

We would get a few more deaths with an actual war. 

America is about to pass it's WWII death count, I believe.

[Gingerfish79]

This is worrying. If they can’t make meaningful gains after the past 6 months, they never will.

[steviewevie]

6 minutes ago, Gingerfish79 said:

This is worrying. If they can’t make meaningful gains after the past 6 months, they never will.

never ever?

[zahidf]

8 minutes ago, Copperface said:

There's definitely something a bit off though when you look at the way the whole AZ rollout thing was cloaked in what appears to be misinformation - Soriot saying that AZ hoped to  increase deliveries up to 2 million doses pw over the month by end January, the Government reacting like a scalded cat when the Scottish Government published the delivery schedule and subsequently rapidly took it down,  Zahawi refusing to give straight answers as to delivery projections  at the beginning of the month, all the info about having massive stockpiles due to the parallel manufacture/approval process apparently being wrong...... 

It's not been transparent at all and often when that happens, someone is trying to hide something.

The UK govt secured a preferential contract for first dibs on the AZ vaccine in return for substantial investment in their Uk factory and probably paying more for the vaccines. The UK govt rightly don't want this info out because of the EU current reactions

[zahidf]

Bloody hell!

[steviewevie]

2 minutes ago, zahidf said:

The UK govt secured a preferential contract for first dibs on the AZ vaccine in return for substantial investment in their Uk factory and probably paying more for the vaccines. The UK govt rightly don't want this info out because of the EU current reactions

you know this?

[MEGABOWL]

10 minutes ago, Gingerfish79 said:

This is worrying. If they can’t make meaningful gains after the past 6 months, they never will.

Not sure I agree. Plenty out there still willing to give them the benefit of the doubt, even sympathy while this is still going on. Many just don’t care, focus is elsewhere/smaller. Their chance of gains is later.

[xxialac]

5 minutes ago, zahidf said:

The UK govt secured a preferential contract for first dibs on the AZ vaccine in return for substantial investment in their Uk factory and probably paying more for the vaccines. The UK govt rightly don't want this info out because of the EU current reactions

Evidence?

[Ozanne]

1 minute ago, MEGABOWL said:

Not sure I agree. Plenty out there still willing to give them the benefit of the doubt, even sympathy while this is still going on. Many just don’t care, focus is elsewhere/smaller. Their chance of gains is later.

Plus this bit is important:

One source said internal party projections in March 2020, in the wake of Boris Johnson’s landslide general election victory, suggested the party would lose 400 council seats and lose control of some local authorities, including Plymouth, Amber Valley, and Harlow. Elections in May 2020 were subsequently cancelled because of the coronavirus pandemic.

 

It shows gains are being made albeit as also said in the article it's being done through the Lib Dem vote mainly. However when they were behind as they were to stay on par so to speak could be seen as a fair outcome.

[zahidf]

3 minutes ago, xxialac said:

Evidence?

https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/how-the-eu-vaccine-row-could-escalate/amp?__twitter_impression=true

 

uk has first refusal on AZ vaccines made in the UK

 

Other stuff on price is speculation 

Also what the AZ CEO said in his interview last night 

 

https://www.repubblica.it/cronaca/2021/01/26/news/interview_pascal_soriot_ceo_astrazeneca_coronavirus_covid_vaccines-284349628/amp/?__twitter_impression=true

Edited January 27, 2021 by zahidf

[Breeze]

1 minute ago, zahidf said:

https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/how-the-eu-vaccine-row-could-escalate/amp?__twitter_impression=true

 

uk has first refusal on AZ vaccines made in the UK

Oxford Uni were going to make the vaccine open source so it could be manufactured by anyone globally at one point.

[Copperface]

Ooh this is interesting and might explain some of the tensions and to me at least looks like something is amiss and there has been some creative accounting.

Ministers have referred to “securing” 100 million doses of the Oxford vaccine – meaning that they have pre-ordered it in the hope that it will prove to be safe and effective in trials (the government has also hedged its bets by placing large orders with other vaccine developers).

The UK government is currently briefing journalists that if the Oxford vaccine is successful, the licensing agreement signed by the university and AstraZeneca back in May will deliver 100 million doses in total “for the UK”.

This sounds impressive: it would mean more than one dose for every one of the UK’s 67 million citizens – although we don’t know if multiple doses will be needed to provide enough immunity, as is the case with many vaccines.

But when the agreement was announced in May, it was made clear that not all of the 100 million doses were actually earmarked for people in Britain.

A government press release said: “If the Oxford vaccine is successful, AstraZeneca will work to make up to 30 million doses available by September for people in the UK, as part of an agreement to deliver 100 million doses in total.”

The Business Secretary Alok Sharma said: “The agreement will deliver 100 million doses in total, ensuring that in addition to supporting our own people, we are able to make the vaccines available to developing countries at the lowest possible cost.”

The fact that the 100 million vaccine doses are apparently not all destined to stay in Britain has only been rarely acknowledged since then.

The next detailed reference to it that we can find is in this August 18 letter from Professor Jonathan Van-Tam, the deputy chief medical officer, to Jeremy Hunt, who chairs the Health and Social Care Select Committee.

By August, it looked like the target had slipped from 30 million doses for UK use to 15 million:

https://www.channel4.com/news/factcheck/factcheck-confusion-over-covid-19-vaccine-plans