When will this shit end?

[steviewevie]

Well done Saj

 

[steviewevie]

 

[DeanoL]

19 minutes ago, gooner1990 said:

I think this has been argued round and round in circles on here...14,000 people where I work and been told all in from early Sept onwards. (and I've been going in anyway)

Might be different for you where you live but its a sweeping generalisation to think that city centres will become ghost towns just because some office workers are now going to flexiwork....again, it might apply to you or your area but it might not elsewhere.

They won't become ghost towns, but you have to understand city centres are quite intensely calibrated by market forces to have just the right number of facilities to meet demand. If you think you won't see the impact of even 10% of city workers no longer going into the city then you're mistaken.

[balthazarstarbuck]

1 minute ago, steviewevie said:

Well done Saj

 

 

[steviewevie]

Race progress

 

[efcfanwirral]

6 minutes ago, steviewevie said:

Well done Saj

 

😂😂 John Terry in his full kit comes to mind 

[balthazarstarbuck]

2 minutes ago, efcfanwirral said:

😂😂 John Terry in his full kit comes to mind 

Slight irony when he got the job as a result of somebody else cheating on their wife.

Edited July 14, 2021 by balthazarstarbuck

[found home in 2009]

3 minutes ago, steviewevie said:

Race progress

 

Was going to say the 51.5% figure above seems to contradict the Sajid Javid claim that we've double vaccinated two thirds of people, then realised his figures were just for adults whilst the above is for the whole population.

Also was curious what percentage Scotland was at (since the above has individual figures for Wales, but not the other countries of the UK).

Didn't find a number for whole of Scotland, but did find figures for individual regions of Scotland. Seems there is quite a disparity, 66.3% of highlands have been double vaccinated whilst only 49.7% of Edinburgh has. Not sure if that's to do with a disparity in average age for those areas or if some health authorities are just better organised than others.

https://www.scotsman.com/health/covid-vaccination-in-scotland-here-are-the-12-scottish-areas-with-the-lowest-vaccination-rates-including-edinburgh-and-dundee-as-scotland-awaits-news-of-restrictions-easing-3299621?page=1

 

[gooner1990]

10 minutes ago, DeanoL said:

They won't become ghost towns, but you have to understand city centres are quite intensely calibrated by market forces to have just the right number of facilities to meet demand. If you think you won't see the impact of even 10% of city workers no longer going into the city then you're mistaken.

You said sigificant amount of people in your previous message now you're saying possibly10%....quite the difference.

Again, it just depends on where you live I think.

For me Oxford (where I work) will always have tourism to fall back on, but perhaps elsewhere other places won't.

[Crazyfool01]

11 minutes ago, steviewevie said:

Race progress

 

Good to see the European countries slowly catching up despite the dodgy start to things … some might even jump ahead of us maybe ? Now for the rest of the world !! 

[efcfanwirral]

18 minutes ago, lemons said:

Negative test, recovered or vaccinated according to one of the papers.

 

An argument for either test only or vaccine only I guess. Not sure a mix works 

[DeanoL]

1 minute ago, gooner1990 said:

You said sigificant amount of people in your previous message now you're saying possibly10%....quite the difference.

Again, it just depends on where you live I think.

For me Oxford (where I work) will always have tourism to fall back on, but perhaps elsewhere other places won't.

I think it's a significant number - it'll be more like 30% reduction in office workers presence in city/town centres. We disagree on that, which is fine. My point is that even at 10%, you'd feel it in store, restaurant and cafe closures. 

[gooner1990]

6 minutes ago, DeanoL said:

I think it's a significant number - it'll be more like 30% reduction in office workers presence in city/town centres. We disagree on that, which is fine. My point is that even at 10%, you'd feel it in store, restaurant and cafe closures. 

Maybe across the country you're right...what I'm trying to say is it may depend on where you live as to what that true figure really is.

Its still noticably quieter when I go in compared to March 2020 at the moment, but I will wait to reserve judgement on a long term reduction until later in the year. 

As I said, 14,000 people where I work and all office based have been told they can work from home until the end of August...at which point they want us back in, so won't know until way after that tbh.

Edited July 14, 2021 by gooner1990

[incident]

1 hour ago, DeanoL said:

I think most people on here would make big changes to Glastonbury if given the opportunity. Even if that's just "make it like it was X years ago".

Given that whenever this does get discussed on here, those changes can often be summed up as "get rid of the area I don't personally care about in order to provide more budget/space to the areas I do" - I tend to think that anyone who does want significant change has largely missed the reason the festival works so well - that it's got something for nearly everyone.

[Toilet Duck]

1 hour ago, zahidf said:

As in he pretends to be a doctor but doesn't have any qualifications

He has a degree in Public Health from Johns Hopkins and a doctorate in Epidemiology from Harvard...sound like real qualifications to me! (I don't agree with him about various aspects of the pandemic (though he was right about the risks associated with Vioxx and some other COX-2 inhibitors, which led to the drugs being pulled https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/article-abstract/203534), but he's perfectly entitled to use the title Dr as the holder of a doctorate...Unless you think medical doctors (who don't actually do a doctorate) are the only ones that can use the title (in which case, most of the academic world would probably take issue with that!)). He has over 90,000 citations for his work and publishes most of it in The Lancet, JAMA and other top medical Journals...maybe let's not belittle the actual achievements of scientists you happen to disagree with eh? (and again, I don't agree with him about much of this either, but I do recognise that he's qualified to express these opinions). 

Edit: I should qualify that, some medical doctors do indeed do a PhD or MD (or DSc or DMed) and thus hold a doctorate, but they don't need to do one to use the title Dr. 

Edited July 14, 2021 by Toilet Duck

[efcfanwirral]

17 minutes ago, Barry Fish said:

Talk of the Balerics going straight to red...

What happens when tens of thousands of people come back to England and they can't afford the quarantine hotels ? 

We just going to throw them all in jail ?  

This is fucking madness...

Travel should be banned or allowed...

Presume their rises are our fault too...

[efcfanwirral]

Glad they've got a plan. But the music industry isn't centralised- who's going to sort this out for them when we're only on "advice" and the government don't seem to be creating an actual system?

[JoeyT]

Processing issue means today's update is delayed but it's bonkers seeing the replies to PHE twitter about it. There's some proper tinfoil hatters about isn't there?! Sweet lord.

 

[balthazarstarbuck]

Mrs S’s sister hasn’t left her flat for a week having been pinged. The very next day before even going outside; she gets pinged again and gets told to wait another week. Another one to delete the app and I can’t blame her in the slightest. Lost all trust in it.

[Simsy]

1 hour ago, fraybentos1 said:

I'm saying when I hear people say new normal or words to that effect they're saying things will never be as good as we had it ever again. That's the implication I see.

I think things will change but it won't necessarily be worse going forward once this has passed.

Ah, I went to primavera a couple of years ago when they were making a big thing about their 50/50 gender split being "the new normal", so I don't associate the phrase with necessarily being negative changes.

[Crazyfool01]

1 minute ago, balthazarstarbuck said:

Mrs S’s sister hasn’t left her flat for a week having been pinged. The very next day before even going outside; she gets pinged again and gets told to wait another week. Another one to delete the app and I can’t blame her in the slightest. Lost all trust in it.

Neighbours everybody needs good neighbours … that’s how I got pinged I reckon … 11 days it gave me strangely 🙂 

[zahidf]

39 minutes ago, Toilet Duck said:

He has a degree in Public Health from Johns Hopkins and a doctorate in Epidemiology from Harvard...sound like real qualifications to me! (I don't agree with him about various aspects of the pandemic (though he was right about the risks associated with Vioxx and some other COX-2 inhibitors, which led to the drugs being pulled https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/article-abstract/203534), but he's perfectly entitled to use the title Dr as the holder of a doctorate...Unless you think medical doctors (who don't actually do a doctorate) are the only ones that can use the title (in which case, most of the academic world would probably take issue with that!)). He has over 90,000 citations for his work and publishes most of it in The Lancet, JAMA and other top medical Journals...maybe let's not belittle the actual achievements of scientists you happen to disagree with eh? (and again, I don't agree with him about much of this either, but I do recognise that he's qualified to express these opinions). 

Edit: I should qualify that, some medical doctors do indeed do a PhD or MD (or DSc or DMed) and thus hold a doctorate, but they don't need to do one to use the title Dr. 

I thought his doctorate was in Nutrition?

I was thinking more about him using the Doctor title when he didn't finish medical school. But fair point!

I still find him annoying though. The 'god pray for the UK schoolchildren' tweet when reopened schools was horrific.

[fraybentos1]

2 minutes ago, Simsy said:

Ah, I went to primavera a couple of years ago when they were making a big thing about their 50/50 gender split being "the new normal", so I don't associate the phrase with necessarily being negative changes.

Yeah maybe I am getting confused here. I take 'new normal' to mean some dystopian future post covid where we never recover and this will be our new normal life. I've defo seen it used in that context you mention though so who knows.

[zahidf]

32 minutes ago, efcfanwirral said:

Glad they've got a plan. But the music industry isn't centralised- who's going to sort this out for them when we're only on "advice" and the government don't seem to be creating an actual system?

Maybe they can just nick the Premiere leagues one?

[zahidf]

1 minute ago, fraybentos1 said:

Yeah maybe I am getting confused here. I take 'new normal' to mean some dystopian future post covid where we never recover and this will be our new normal life. I've defo seen it used in that context you mention though so who knows.

Tbf the phrase in covid terms is often used in conjunction with someone trying to limit our freedoms...