When will this shit end?

[dotdash79]

2 hours ago, stuartbert two hats said:

Lots of different software written in different technologies at different times by different people covering lots of different kinds of user (some external to the NHS).

There have been attempts to solve this problem for decades, and it's likely they will continue for many, many years to come.

The NHS is just so big.

Imprivata onesign is used by a number of trust to do single sign on using the NHS card. 
 

NHS Scotland is working towards a single sign on using azure ad. 
 

there is progress but it’s slow. 

[Crazyfool01]

7 minutes ago, RobertProsineckisLighter said:

The Clap or The Clap? 

Shush 🤫 that’s another test I need to book in 🙂 

[rivalschools.price]

48 minutes ago, Ozanne said:

They’d probably appreciate a pay rise more though 😉

My point is, what about clapping AND a pay rise. It doesn’t have to be either/or.

[Copperface]

5 minutes ago, crazyfool1 said:

Shush 🤫 that’s another test I need to book in 🙂 

Do they ram the swab stick in as far as they do with the Covid test? 

[rivalschools.price]

1 hour ago, Ozanne said:

The issue is that the clapping was essentially a meaningless gesture to promote on people’s social media, as when push came to shove and public sector workers pay was frozen hardly any of the people that clapped made a fuss at all. 

I agree 100% but to be fair, people were ‘anti-clap’* before it was announced that there would not be a pay rise so that couldn’t have been the reason.

 

*for want of a better term.

[rascalpete]

1 minute ago, Copperface said:

Do they ram the swab stick in as far as they do with the Covid test? 

Oh lord I just shuddered 

[rivalschools.price]

40 minutes ago, rascalpete said:

Oh lord I just shuddered 

And was also, strangely, turned on a little bit.

[zahidf]

 

[Ryan1984]

Clever Sage guy on the news just said Oxford approval hopefully this week, if not early next week. That was one of the only positive things he had to say.

[Losing my hair]

1 hour ago, Ozanne said:

The issue is that the clapping was essentially a meaningless gesture to promote on people’s social media, as when push came to shove and public sector workers pay was frozen hardly any of the people that clapped made a fuss at all. 

The clap was not a Political (with a big P) gesture as many interpreted it to be. It was more of a small p political expression of people's innate desire to act in a communal manner when under threat as was the support for Capt. Tom with people coming together to support a communal enterprise. Another example would be the way that the Manchester community came together after the Arena bombing with the adoption of the Bee. These are all expressions of our humanity rather than our politics.  

As a species we have always had a need for communal acts, from the stone age gatherings at stone circles through to modern day sporting events, meeting up with your mates in a pub/club and ,yes, music festivals. This of course goes against the individualistic philosophy of many on the right of Politics who base this on the writings of Ayn Rand (whilst completely ignoring her atheism and belief in pro-choice) and elevate individuals above community - "there's no such thing as society" and regard communal enterprise such as the NHS, BBC and unions as an anathema. Unfortunately during this current crisis this government's natural individualistic tendency as stopped it taking the communal measures need until it was too late and too many members of society have been unable to put their belief in self before others to one side.

So, and back to the point, the clap was not a meaningless gesture but an expression of our need to come together which the government failed to build on. And yes, all those workers which we suddenly found out that we couldn't do without need to be rewarded but as we all know the rewards will end up in the hands of MDs, hedge fund mangers and friends of the government etc - in fact all those who nobody would ever clap for.

[Crazyfool01]

7 minutes ago, Ryan1984 said:

Clever Sage guy on the news just said Oxford approval hopefully this week, if not early next week. That was one of the only positive things he had to say.

there goes the hope of today or tomorrow then 😞 

[zahidf]

Just now, crazyfool1 said:

there goes the hope of today or tomorrow then 😞 

Wish they would get their finger out. Hopefully tomorrow 

[Crazyfool01]

It actually makes me think that all we (me )  are doing is guessing on the approval date and people genuinely have no idea when it might be ....despite hints from sources to the contrary ... 

[Homer]

Jesus Christ, I just put the fucking news on.

Massively depressing. But at least I now feel more justified in my decision to be drunk a lot.

[Guest]

12 minutes ago, Losing my hair said:

The clap was not a Political (with a big P) gesture as many interpreted it to be. It was more of a small p political expression of people's innate desire to act in a communal manner when under threat as was the support for Capt. Tom with people coming together to support a communal enterprise. Another example would be the way that the Manchester community came together after the Arena bombing with the adoption of the Bee. These are all expressions of our humanity rather than our politics.  

As a species we have always had a need for communal acts, from the stone age gatherings at stone circles through to modern day sporting events, meeting up with your mates in a pub/club and ,yes, music festivals. This of course goes against the individualistic philosophy of many on the right of Politics who base this on the writings of Ayn Rand (whilst completely ignoring her atheism and belief in pro-choice) and elevate individuals above community - "there's no such thing as society" and regard communal enterprise such as the NHS, BBC and unions as an anathema. Unfortunately during this current crisis this government's natural individualistic tendency as stopped it taking the communal measures need until it was too late and too many members of society have been unable to put their belief in self before others to one side.

So, and back to the point, the clap was not a meaningless gesture but an expression of our need to come together which the government failed to build on. And yes, all those workers which we suddenly found out that we couldn't do without need to be rewarded but as we all know the rewards will end up in the hands of MDs, hedge fund mangers and friends of the government etc - in fact all those who nobody would ever clap for.

I agree with all those points and I think it’s a lovely thing to have happened as it appeared to bring people together and show support for key workers. However the area where I feel it falls short is when months later those key workers in the public sector are getting a pay freeze and most people that I saw publicising their clapping earlier on, now were quiet. It annoyed me as that’s when it appeared to be a feel good thing to upload to social media when it looked good (joining in with everyone on doorsteps clapping), but when it’s about the less glamorous Chancellors statement inflicting pay freezes it’s not something people wanted to talk about.

Those areas you mention are really good examples of people coming together to generate good outcomes from hardship however in this case I feel they started it then didn’t really carry it on when it was needed again. Admittedly some could have written to their MP but I’m not sure that was the case.  

[Homer]

1 minute ago, crazyfool1 said:

It actually makes me think that all we (me )  are doing is guessing on the approval date and people genuinely have no idea when it might be ....despite hints from sources to the contrary ... 

Have you ha a test result yet? 

[zahidf]

2 minutes ago, crazyfool1 said:

It actually makes me think that all we (me )  are doing is guessing on the approval date and people genuinely have no idea when it might be ....despite hints from sources to the contrary ... 

Its from reliable people that its this week. But its taking its bloody time. We need some good news and FAST

[stuartbert two hats]

24 minutes ago, zahidf said:

 

Why so soon? Don't they know it's Christmas? Put your feet up lads, it's not as if a deadly pandemic has suddenly taken a turn for the worse and started breaking records.

[Crazyfool01]

quite an interesting Thread on captain Tom here ....

 

[Guest]

2 minutes ago, crazyfool1 said:

It actually makes me think that all we (me )  are doing is guessing on the approval date and people genuinely have no idea when it might be ....despite hints from sources to the contrary ... 

You’ve made a good point, people are thinking up their own dates (sometimes based on comments in the press) and are then disappointed when that date isn’t hit. It’s probably a good idea to not expect it on a certain date but have it in the back of yours minds that it is coming soon. 

[stuartbert two hats]

2 minutes ago, Homer said:

Have you ha a test result yet? 

Our crazy fool has no Rona. Negative 🙂

[Crazyfool01]

1 minute ago, Homer said:

Have you ha a test result yet? 

yep I posted it at 6am today ..... negative 🙂  delighted .....  really impressed with the turn around time of 17 hours ...  

[Homer]

2 minutes ago, crazyfool1 said:

quite an interesting Thread on captain Tom here ....

 

I'll be honest, I didn't think his singing was much cop either.

[Homer]

2 minutes ago, crazyfool1 said:

yep I posted it at 6am today ..... negative 🙂  delighted .....  really impressed with the turn around time of 17 hours ...  

Ah, the good news we needed fast! Pleased to hear it.

[Crazyfool01]

1 minute ago, Homer said:

Ah, the good news we needed fast! Pleased to hear it.

indeed ... thanks 🙂