Kneecap

[Blisterpack]

4 minutes ago, steviewevie said:

And where did I make excuses for that?

I think it was me supporting genocide on this occasion to be fair. Me and Thom

Yorke. 

Edited May 31, 2025 by Blisterpack

[CaledonianGonzo]

1 minute ago, steviewevie said:

And where did I make excuses for that?

 

By attempting to float serenely above it all going 'both sides are problematic, mmmkay' you tacitly favour the side doing the actual genocide. 

 

[pryce]

40 minutes ago, Colorblindjames said:

No one is buying the AS accusations anymore. 

And nobody is buying your pro genocide accusations when someone thinks Hamas are bad ...the fact you can't see that you are doing exactly the same extreme labelling as the others is some spectacle 

[Colorblindjames]

10 hours ago, MEGABOWL said:

Good grief. This isn’t a serious conversation.

 

I didn’t agree that was a political decision.

 

By ‘stuff happens’ I specifically meant the Kneecap/TRNSMT situation.

 

To say it’s a different situation is literally true, as you’ve been told by me and others but you are simply refusing to accept to because it doesn’t suit. 

And here’s me thinking we’d reached an agreement.

 

OH so your stuff happens refers only to TRNSMT.
 

Ok then let me see if it understand your position. A popular band has been banned due to their stance on Gaza and some hurtful words and flags. You think this isn’t censorship and it’s simply a policing issue. It would simply be too difficult for the police to handle a bunch of teenagers at a festival (yet the same police regularly handle drunk orange men in the same city who are allowed by the authorities to spread their sectarian bullshit with no penalty). 
 

Have I got this right? 
 

P.s. Just because you think something is true doesn’t mean it is actually true. 

[steviewevie]

9 minutes ago, CaledonianGonzo said:

 

By attempting to float serenely above it all going 'both sides are problematic, mmmkay' you tacitly favour the side doing the actual genocide. 

 

Ok, it's all Israel's fauit.

Phew, got to be careful with this right side of history thing.

[Powder_Finger]

1 hour ago, bennyboi said:

You have been programmed to care, they want you sad and disconnected from the real world around you. 

“Wake up sheeple!”

 

Meds.

[Powder_Finger]

27 minutes ago, steviewevie said:

Ok, it's all Israel's fauit.

Phew, got to be careful with this right side of history thing.

Yes it is. no Israel, no problem.

[Blisterpack]

12 minutes ago, Powder_Finger said:

Yes it is. no Israel, no problem.

So Ahmedinijad’s call to all Muslims to ‘wipe Israel from the map’ was actually a rally cry for peace? One that you felt able to sign up to?

[Tiesto13]

40 minutes ago, Powder_Finger said:

Yes it is. no Israel, no problem.

and what do you do with all the Jewish people currently in Israel?

[CaledonianGonzo]

27 minutes ago, Blisterpack said:

So Ahmedinijad’s call to all Muslims to ‘wipe Israel from the map’ was actually a rally cry for peace? One that you felt able to sign up to?

 

Interesting.  Didn't realise that 'all muslims' were beholden to one bloke in Iran twenty years ago.

 

That statement also has very murky provenance, to whit:

 

https://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/theeditors/2007/03/wiped_off_the_map.html

[CaledonianGonzo]

5 minutes ago, Tiesto13 said:

and what do you do with all the Jewish people currently in Israel?

 

Seeing as Ahmedinijad has been invoked on the pro-apartheid side of the debate, let's consider something else he actually said:

 

Palestinian refugees come back to their homes, and then the entire people on those lands hold a referendum and choose their own system of government. 

[Tiesto13]

A one state solution of that nature would be a very valid one in my eyes. But do you see it as any more acceptable to either side than a two state solution? I don’t see it as a realistic possibility (unfortunately a two state solution also seems like an impossibility at the moment as well).

 

I’m keen to hear Powder Fingers views on what should happen though, as he seems to have all the answers.

[Blisterpack]

11 minutes ago, CaledonianGonzo said:

 

Interesting.  Didn't realise that 'all muslims' were beholden to one bloke in Iran twenty years ago.

 

That statement also has very murky provenance, to whit:

 

https://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/theeditors/2007/03/wiped_off_the_map.html

To give Ahmedinijad the benefit of any doubt over his intentions is grifting at another level. 

[Someoni]

Is anyone on here actually from the region? It gives these talks on forums an extra bite to be honest. 

 

A lot of distasteful comments even if they are valid. 

 

On that note, f**k you Netanyahu should be getting chanted this summer. Abhorrent individual.

[CaledonianGonzo]

2 minutes ago, Blisterpack said:

To give Ahmedinijad the benefit of any doubt over his intentions is grifting at another level. 

 

It's not worth giving him any consideration at all, but you're the one that brought him up.  I presume he's driving a taxi or something these days.

[Blisterpack]

1 minute ago, CaledonianGonzo said:

 

It's not worth giving him any consideration at all, but you're the one that brought him up.  I presume he's driving a taxi or something these days.

He is representative of a period when progressives shifted from accepting the legitimacy of the state of Israel. And drove that nation into the arms of nationalists. He is an important figure if anyone wants to understand why the National Front used to say ‘F**k Israel’ while now it is Kneecap fans at Glastonbury. 

[CaledonianGonzo]

4 minutes ago, Blisterpack said:

He is representative of a period when progressives shifted from accepting the legitimacy of the state of Israel. And drove that nation into the arms of nationalists. He is an important figure if anyone wants to understand why the National Front used to say ‘F**k Israel’ while now it is Kneecap fans at Glastonbury. 

 

I reckon people can realise of their own accord that 'liberal zionism' is an oxymoron and that there's no such thing as progressive settler-colonialism without any help from Tehran.

 

You realise the fact that international far right now share your enthusiasm for a bloodthirsty theocracy isn't a win?  

[Blisterpack]

15 minutes ago, CaledonianGonzo said:

 

I reckon people can realise of their own accord that 'liberal zionism' is an oxymoron and that there's no such thing as progressive settler-colonialism without any help from Tehran.

 

You realise the fact that international far right now share your enthusiasm for a bloodthirsty theocracy isn't a win?  

My ‘enthusiasm for a bloodthirsty theocracy’. 
there it is. There is the reason why this will end the way nobody wanted it to. Because those who saw opportunities for peaceful resolution (Rabin, Arafat,  Barak…. even the last Shah!) were shot down for their moderation. Some literally. 

[MilkyJoe]

Locking this thread again as it has severely gone off topic. Will reopen if there are any further Kneecap shenanigans or if any member has anything Kneecap related that they would like including then feel free to DM any moderator.

 

Just to remind members that there is a fully functioning International Politics forum that may be better suited to your needs.

 

 

[Crazyfool01]

Thread reopened because of the opening of the court case at the request of @Sawdusty surfer Moderators would ask that the discussion is related to that please ..... any other discussion is for international politics thread linked above . remember as before please keep all discussion respectful 

[Twiggy553]

On 31/05/2025 at 09:14, CaledonianGonzo said:

 

By attempting to float serenely above it all going 'both sides are problematic, mmmkay' you tacitly favour the side doing the actual genocide. 

 

I feel by saying upfront Hamas have some fault is a shrewd move because it stops all the Isreal supporters saying “but what about Hamas!?”. You’ve closed that line of argument off by already saying it on your terms, and stops the derailment of the original point about the genocide.

[TheDayman]

https://www.independent.ie/world-news/britain/fans-applaud-kneecaps-liam-og-o-hannaidh-outside-court-after-hes-released-on-unconditional-bail-until-next-hearing/a1696381200.html

Unconditional bail until the next hearing in August (when legal arguments will be made)

[kerplunk]

Not much to report - he's been bailed to appear again August.

 

 

 

 

 

 

[kerplunk]

@Sawdusty surfer  Howabout we swap - you be a moderator this week and I'll come down there and get busy with a chainsaw 🙂

[SouthbanKen]

Watched the Kneecap film last night. Was a good watch, i'm sure there is plenty of artistic licence but if even 50% of it is true, then their origin story is incredible.