Kneecap

[Blisterpack]

1 hour ago, Powder_Finger said:

The entire country is built on the idea that they are better than everyone else and they use that to justify atrocities. 

Israel should not exist.

 Israel is not even a legitimate country.

this is what just under 50% of the worlds’ Jews (living in their own country) have to contend with. Not enough that a third of them were gassed by actual antisemitic nazis, they now have to fight for their small corner of the planet with know- nothings who provide cover for 21st century antisemites trying to finish the job. 
by the way, should Bahrain exist? UAE? Qatar? Saudi Arabia? All the other Middle East ‘new’ countries? Or is it just the …checks notes….. Jewish one that shouldn’t be there?

[Powder_Finger]

44 minutes ago, Blisterpack said:

this is what just under 50% of the worlds’ Jews (living in their own country) have to contend with. Not enough that a third of them were gassed by actual antisemitic nazis, they now have to fight for their small corner of the planet with know- nothings who provide cover for 21st century antisemites trying to finish the job. 
by the way, should Bahrain exist? UAE? Qatar? Saudi Arabia? All the other Middle East ‘new’ countries? Or is it just the …checks notes….. Jewish one that shouldn’t be there?

Antizionism =\= antisemitism. Israel itself has a history of treating other Jewish people - including holocaust survivors - terribly. Trying to make this about religion is so naive.

 

One atrocity does not justify other atrocities. Please try to educate yourself a little first and stop trying to defend a country that murders children.

[Powder_Finger]

54 minutes ago, Blisterpack said:

their small corner of the planet

Their? It does not belong to them - it is stolen land.

[MEGABOWL]

10 hours ago, Colorblindjames said:

Well we got there in the end and you agree that this was a political decision.

 

The conflict in Gaza, the genocide and its repercussions can’t be dismissed as “stuff happens”. 
 

To say it’s a different situation is frankly laughable. 

Good grief. This isn’t a serious conversation.

 

I didn’t agree that was a political decision.

 

By ‘stuff happens’ I specifically meant the Kneecap/TRNSMT situation.

 

To say it’s a different situation is literally true, as you’ve been told by me and others but you are simply refusing to accept to because it doesn’t suit. 

[Blisterpack]

5 minutes ago, Powder_Finger said:

Their? It does not belong to them - it is stolen land.

Of course it belongs to them. Most of the Middle East was carved up and reallocated in the 20th century. As I asked before, is there something about the one with all the Jews in that irks you more than the others? 

[Powder_Finger]

Just now, Blisterpack said:

Of course it belongs to them. Most of the Middle East was carved up and reallocated in the 20th century. As I asked before, is there something about the one with all the Jews in that irks you more than the others? 

The land which has been taken from the people of Palestine, belongs to the invaders? Does Ukraine belong to Russia too then?

[Blisterpack]

17 minutes ago, Powder_Finger said:

Antizionism =\= antisemitism. Israel itself has a history of treating other Jewish people - including holocaust survivors - terribly. Trying to make this about religion is so naive.

 

One atrocity does not justify other atrocities. Please try to educate yourself a little first and stop trying to defend a country that murders children.

I am educated enough thank you. 

[Powder_Finger]

I hope future generations will look back at now and be shocked that there were people around who were defending genocidal invaders. People like Netanyahu should be talked about in the same breath as Hitler, Stalin, Pol Pot. People who defend genocide should be talked about in the same breath as nazis and the KKK.

[Nobby's Old Boots]

2 hours ago, philipsteak said:

And if there's one thing I know about Thom Yorke it's that he's tired of CalGon's sh*t

His washing machines must have a short lifespan.

 

Ba dum tish.

[Blisterpack]

Just now, Powder_Finger said:

The land which has been taken from the people of Palestine, belongs to the invaders? Does Ukraine belong to Russia too then?

The land legally defined in 1948 belongs to them. The land acquired through settlers not wishing to give up what was ‘won’ in wars? No, like most who have supported the concept of Labor Zionism all my life I have never supported that. It was the accepted left wing position for years until the return of the Ayatollah and the infiltration of antisemites and holocaust deniers into socialist parties in Europe and more recently the US. That empowered the Israeli right and led to Netanyahu. No socialist in their right mind could support him and you will find none in Israel doing so. 

[Blisterpack]

2 minutes ago, Powder_Finger said:

I hope future generations will look back at now and be shocked that there were people around who were defending genocidal invaders. People like Netanyahu should be talked about in the same breath as Hitler, Stalin, Pol Pot. People who defend genocide should be talked about in the same breath as nazis and the KKK.

What are you on about? Not sure I have read anything on here where anybody remotely supports Netanyahu. 

[clasher]

1 hour ago, Blisterpack said:

this is what just under 50% of the worlds’ Jews (living in their own country) have to contend with. Not enough that a third of them were gassed by actual antisemitic nazis, they now have to fight for their small corner of the planet with know- nothings who provide cover for 21st century antisemites trying to finish the job. 
by the way, should Bahrain exist? UAE? Qatar? Saudi Arabia? All the other Middle East ‘new’ countries? Or is it just the …checks notes….. Jewish one that shouldn’t be there?

 

If your small corner started with violently displacing some 750.000 people, burning their villages and poisoning their wells, you don't deserve it. 

 

Real estate claims based on bronze age texts are laughable.

 

Take it up with the Roman empire, not Arabs living there 2 millenia later.

 

Your god doesn't exist and you're not special.

 

Nothing, NOTHING gives you the right to starve and bomb children.

 

[Blisterpack]

4 minutes ago, clasher said:

 

If your small corner started with violently displacing some 750.000 people, burning their villages and poisoning their wells, you don't deserve it. 

 

Real estate claims based on bronze age texts are laughable.

 

Take it up with the Roman empire, not Arabs living there 2 millenia later.

 

Your god doesn't exist and you're not special.

 

Nothing, NOTHING gives you the right to starve and bomb children.

 

You don’t like Jews, I get it; there are lots of you out there. 
 

and your final sentence is right obviously. 

[clasher]

Just now, Blisterpack said:

You don’t like Jews, I get it; there are lots of you out there. 

 

That's a big old load of bullshit and you know it.

[Blisterpack]

3 minutes ago, clasher said:

 

That's a big old load of bullshit and you know it.

It is in good company in this argument. But yes, point taken - I apologise. 

[Powder_Finger]

26 minutes ago, Blisterpack said:

You don’t like Jews, I get it; there are lots of you out there. 
 

and your final sentence is right obviously. 

Seriously? That's such a non-argument. It's like you don't have any valid points and all you can do is scream about "antisemitism".

f**k Israel. 

[Colorblindjames]

5 hours ago, CaledonianGonzo said:

When the mask of ambivalent centrism slips

Ha ha. I think we all knew his position. Attempting to both sides a genocide isn’t a good look. 

[Colorblindjames]

7 hours ago, steviewevie said:

Definitely support swapping Kneecap for Nick Cave or Radiohead/Smile.

Think you said this 3 days ago and it wasn’t edgy or funny then. 

[clasher]

1 hour ago, Blisterpack said:

Of course it belongs to them. Most of the Middle East was carved up and reallocated in the 20th century. As I asked before, is there something about the one with all the Jews in that irks you more than the others? 

 

So the land belongs to them because the powers that be decided so in the 20th century?

[Colorblindjames]

2 hours ago, Blisterpack said:

this is what just under 50% of the worlds’ Jews (living in their own country) have to contend with. Not enough that a third of them were gassed by actual antisemitic nazis, they now have to fight for their small corner of the planet with know- nothings who provide cover for 21st century antisemites trying to finish the job. 
by the way, should Bahrain exist? UAE? Qatar? Saudi Arabia? All the other Middle East ‘new’ countries? Or is it just the …checks notes….. Jewish one that shouldn’t be there?

Ethnostates shouldn’t exist. Especially ones carrying out genocide. Cool whataboutery btw. 

[Colorblindjames]

1 hour ago, MEGABOWL said:

Good grief. This isn’t a serious conversation.

 

I didn’t agree that was a political decision.

 

By ‘stuff happens’ I specifically meant the Kneecap/TRNSMT situation.

 

To say it’s a different situation is literally true, as you’ve been told by me and others but you are simply refusing to accept to because it doesn’t suit. 

Why should I accept what you say if I think it’s nonsense? Your ego appears to be off the scale. 

[CaledonianGonzo]

"The unquestioning Free Palestine refrain"

 

Thank God for Thom Yorke who's here to question whether or not the Palestinian people should be free.

[SheffJeff]

'If you're not calling it a genocide then what the f**k are you calling it? '

Back on the topic of the thread though...

 

 

 

[bennyboi]

5 hours ago, Blisterpack said:

What are you on about? Not sure I have read anything on here where anybody remotely supports Netanyahu. 

No nuance!
Support the current thing! 
 

[ironmike8]

8 hours ago, Powder_Finger said:

The land which has been taken from the people of Palestine, belongs to the invaders? Does Ukraine belong to Russia too then?

I'd be curious to hear your thoughts on all the other borders in the middle east and which countries are 'valid' in your eyes and which aren't. 

 

I'm not one for defending recent Israeli actions, but your rhetoric is stupid, dangerous and unhelpful.