Kneecap

[Dark Star]

17 minutes ago, WforWill said:

Eden Project have cancelled them, more will likely follow.

 

Tory/Reform central. No surprise sadly.

[Blisterpack]

25 minutes ago, Skip997 said:

Disarm and let Israel walk straight in, claim the land and make the whole population homeless overnight. 

Sadly that becomes more likely the longer the hostages are kept and hamas stays in power. There is a fight back brewing against hamas (especially with Iran looking like they are throwing them overboard) and hopefully it isn’t too late. 

[Quark]

51 minutes ago, Olshansky said:

 

I dont want you to be right but I know that you are.  
I wish the BBC didn't broadcast the festival, tbh.  Can't help but wonder how many of these types of decisions are made under their thumb vs personal ethos. 

 

I dunno.  I think the most likely thing to get them pulled will be / would have been the domestic issue around MPs.  That's the bit that seems to have been getting most of the focus in the UK.  If that bit gets resolved then I think their position on Palestine is less likely to be cause for pulling tbh.

[kaosmark2]

1 hour ago, itschris said:

 

Just wanted to say that you're doing a great job, there aren't many other places on the internet we would get  a conversation on this topic 13 pages deep without sh*t slinging from all parties

Thanks, we're really trying to let as much as possible through. As @Alvoram said though, credit to the community. I think we've hidden less than a dozen posts and that's great for a highly emotive topic such as this.

 

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Not in response to itschris:

From now on, all posts that are sarcastic will remain hidden, as will any post with a swear word. Normally we're fine with sarcastic callbacks to other users' comments, and the filter keeping off the full explicit word, but this is a more inflammatory topic than most conversations about festivals/music.

 

And yes we're aware we were allowing them earlier. We're trying to calm things down without having to lock the thread or take any action other than hidden posts.

[Blisterpack]

6 minutes ago, Colorblindjames said:

“Willing succor is an interesting term. Like the justification the IDF uses for carpet bombing Gaza. It’s likely against international law and it’s impossible to determine who’s giving succor. 

I agree. Those who provide it are legitimate targets but it is indeed very difficult to identify them (or the active participants) in urban warfare. 
biggest mistake hamas made was their ‘show of strength’ at the release of hostages. Even the Red Cross were telling them to stop the pantomime but they couldn’t help themselves. 

[narwhal]

I think it's funny that there's even a debate over whether kneecap support terrorism when DJ Provisional IRA is a member. 

 

Anyway I've got zero issue with anything they've said and glad they've announced a new South West show in Plymouth as soon as the Eden Project bowed to the demands of hysterical politicians and their pliant media allies. 

[Skip997]

23 minutes ago, Blisterpack said:

biggest mistake hamas made was their ‘show of strength’ at the release of hostages. Even the Red Cross were telling them to stop the pantomime but they couldn’t help themselves. 

Biggest mistake Hamas made was attacking Israel in the first place. Gave Netanyahu and his cronies the excuse to commit the genocide they crave 

[steviewevie]

1 hour ago, Skip997 said:

It’s gone way beyond that already. There are a shocking number of people on here who veer alarmingly to the right 

Yeah, Guardian? f**k that. Telegraph for me, and maybe the Spectator for a treat. Can't wait for glasto and some comedy rap band I keep hearing about on the news.

[CaledonianGonzo]

20 minutes ago, Skip997 said:

Biggest mistake Hamas made was attacking Israel in the first place. Gave Netanyahu and his cronies the excuse to commit the genocide they crave 

 

What's rarely mentioned in the context of October 7th is that, prior to the Hamas attacks, 2023 (and 2022 before it) were the deadliest years on record for Palestinian children in the Occupied Terriitories.

 

Note the date on this report from HRW:

 

https://www.hrw.org/news/2023/08/28/west-bank-spike-israeli-killings-palestinian-children

 

[quote]Israeli forces killed at least 614 Palestinians whom the UN classified as civilians in the Gaza Strip and the West Bank during this period.[/quote]

 

It's controversial, but armed resistance to colonial repression is - to an extent - protected under international law and the right to resist is a human right.

 

The Israeli position that nothing justified October 7th but that October 7th justifies everything that followed should be shouted down wherever it surfaces.

[she bangs the drums]

 

 

 

[Alvoram]

27 minutes ago, she bangs the drums said:

 

 

 

Those German gigs they rushed to put on and advertise in place of the cancelled festivals... They're now showing as 'cancelled' on the ticket pages 😕 

[Colorblindjames]

1 hour ago, Blisterpack said:

I agree. Those who provide it are legitimate targets but it is indeed very difficult to identify them (or the active participants) in urban warfare. 
biggest mistake hamas made was their ‘show of strength’ at the release of hostages. Even the Red Cross were telling them to stop the pantomime but they couldn’t help themselves. 

No they aren’t legitimate targets. 

[SPW]

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[Blisterpack]

1 hour ago, Colorblindjames said:

No they aren’t legitimate targets. 

Why? It’s war, you fight the enemy and minimise impact on those not engaged. Those are the rules. They are very rarely adhered to but that is what’s expected. Those providing a support role to the fighters are considered combatants. 

[CaledonianGonzo]

7 minutes ago, Blisterpack said:

Why? It’s war, you fight the enemy and minimise impact on those not engaged. Those are the rules. They are very rarely adhered to but that is what’s expected. Those providing a support role to the fighters are considered combatants. 

 

It's not a war when only one side has an army, a navy and an air force.

[Blisterpack]

1 minute ago, CaledonianGonzo said:

 

It's not a war when only one side has an army, a navy and an air force.

Of course it’s a war. Israel has been under attack since 1948 and the enemy has come in various forms. They absolutely need the military they have. I have asked before what you think Israel should be doing given that you have so many views on what they shouldn’t be doing. 

[steviewevie]

It's been going on since 720 BC.

[she bangs the drums]

 

[Colorblindjames]

41 minutes ago, Blisterpack said:

Why? It’s war, you fight the enemy and minimise impact on those not engaged. Those are the rules. They are very rarely adhered to but that is what’s expected. Those providing a support role to the fighters are considered combatants. 

Yes war has rules. Not the ones you and the IDF are making up. Rules to minimise casualties to civilians. Your comments regarding people who offer solace (whatever that means) being legitimate targets are simply supporting terrorism and depravity. Exactly what we are seeing in Isreal where women, children, doctors etc are being regarded as legitimate targets. 
 

Now you’ve come up with a new made up phrase “support role”. Do you not mean army? 

[Skip997]

2 minutes ago, Blisterpack said:

Because that’s when it was recognised internationally as a legitimate state. And the neighbours hated Jews, as demonstrated by their support for Hitler and subsequent actions. But you knew that. 

Different takes on the same subject. Maybe it’s because Israel was stealing land. What would now be called terrorism was part of the process, and not from Arabs. 

[Colorblindjames]

35 minutes ago, Blisterpack said:

Of course it’s a war. Israel has been under attack since 1948 and the enemy has come in various forms. They absolutely need the military they have. I have asked before what you think Israel should be doing given that you have so many views on what they shouldn’t be doing. 

Since Isreal has control over the West Bank who is it fighting with? 

[Blisterpack]

32 minutes ago, Skip997 said:

And why might that be?

Because some people don’t like having Jews for neighbours. Not just in be Middle East either: common all over the world. 

[SheffJeff]

40 minutes ago, Blisterpack said:

Of course it’s a war. Israel has been under attack since 1948 and the enemy has come in various forms. They absolutely need the military they have. I have asked before what you think Israel should be doing given that you have so many views on what they shouldn’t be doing. 

They shouldn't be performing genocide. Surely you can see this is a one sided 'war' when you look at the historic figures? And now the life expectancy in Gaza is 40.

 

 

[suzie sue]

https://www.theguardian.com/music/2019/jun/03/band-tory-genocide-axed-glastonbury-killdren

[Guest]

Personally for what it’s worth Kneecap take there views to the extreme, Politics should stay out of music to the extent they shout about. There’s ways of getting your views across not by threats & support of Hamas and Hezballoh and hatred to certain individuals because of where they were born.

Many artists last year continue to show support for Palastine and in previous years Ukraine but Kneecap go over the top.

 

Glastonbury is a special place of inclusion love and peace. I’m sure there will be Israeli nationals serving or ex British service men / women at Glastonbury they shouldn’t be subjected to hatred or excluded by a band that’s preforming, no one should feel that way at Glastonbury it’s five days of escaping reality surrounded by people all getting on on the other side of the fence.

 

Like it or not they glorify hatred to certain individuals, just because it suits the narrative doesn’t mean it’s ok!