Headliners 2023

[Superscally]

1 minute ago, parsonjack said:

Deliberately inflammatory posts don't usually get a rise from me but this is a bit ridiculous.  Sure there was an obvious absence of female headliners across most stages in 2009 but it's a bit much to suggest misogyny?

I'm completely unclued as to the 'racist' reference...happy to be educated though.... 

I have a feeling it may have been a joke 😅

[parsonjack]

Just now, Superscally said:

I have a feeling it may have been a joke 😅

Balls.  Now I feel a right t*t 😂

[Superscally]

Just now, parsonjack said:

Balls.  Now I feel a right t*t 😂

🤣

[Hugh Jass II]

5 minutes ago, parsonjack said:

Deliberately inflammatory posts don't usually get a rise from me but this is a bit ridiculous.  Sure there was an obvious absence of female headliners across most stages in 2009 but it's a bit much to suggest misogyny?

I'm completely unclued as to the 'racist' reference...happy to be educated though.... 

 

[Florian Saucer Attack]

6 minutes ago, Superscally said:

I have a feeling it may have been a joke 😅

I wouldn't class that as a joke. It's just a troll comment which is unbecoming 

[Matt42]

35 minutes ago, CaledonianGonzo said:

People demanding curveballs again after Guns'n'Roses came along as a post Taylor Swift wildcard.

I think the real point here is if you want curveballs don’t read efestivals every day. You’re most likely going to be given the real names much earlier than Joe Public.

[therefused]

3 minutes ago, Florian Saucer Attack said:

I wouldn't class that as a joke. It's just a troll comment which is unbecoming 

That user has a lot of those...

[parsonjack]

12 minutes ago, Hugh Jass II said:

 

Thanks HJ...that's made me feel much better.

The shame.

[Welshinexile]

Hi, been following a while but finally signed up.

Depeche Mode are playing primavera sound in Madrid next year so could be very possibly at Glasto - legends slot?

And I remember reading that Michael Eavis is a fan too! 

[sisco]

16 minutes ago, Welshinexile said:

Hi, been following a while but finally signed up.

Depeche Mode are playing primavera sound in Madrid next year so could be very possibly at Glasto - legends slot?

And I remember reading that Michael Eavis is a fan too! 

Nope, not happening sadly. Possibly next year 

[DeanoL]

22 hours ago, Florian Saucer Attack said:

I don't know what Emily thinks but it's not the headliners that need to be 50/50 it's the festival as a whole and Glastonbury has not yet fully committed to this.

Why do the acts have to be female lead, this almost always means a female singer who are usually charismatic and are the least likely musicians to need this help.

What if you had a 12 piece jazz act, which is male lead with his own material and the other 11 musicians all happened to be female- by your definition they would not count but wolf alice would who have 3 men in the band would

I am not saying I know the correct answer but once you decide having at least one person in an act that identifies as female is not automatically enough things get complicated very quickly 

Not that hard: someone who identifies as female that performs live on stage and has a songwriter credit for the majority of songs performed.

That's not to denigrate the importance of existing bands pushing for increased diversity in their touring lineups by including female session musicians. Just doesn't count as a female booking.

If we include session musicians then the source that can't possibly be wrong said AM have strings at the Glasto gig and I'd be amazed if they're all blokes, and Elton's band has women in too.

[gfa]

1 hour ago, Welshinexile said:

Hi, been following a while but finally signed up.

Depeche Mode are playing primavera sound in Madrid next year so could be very possibly at Glasto - legends slot?

And I remember reading that Michael Eavis is a fan too! 

Welcome!

Think they'd be headliner rather than legend - people on here have been asking for them for years but they seem unlikely to take the paycut unfortunately

[Florian Saucer Attack]

37 minutes ago, DeanoL said:

Not that hard: someone who identifies as female that performs live on stage and has a songwriter credit for the majority of songs performed.

That's not to denigrate the importance of existing bands pushing for increased diversity in their touring lineups by including female session musicians. Just doesn't count as a female booking.

If we include session musicians then the source that can't possibly be wrong said AM have strings at the Glasto gig and I'd be amazed if they're all blokes, and Elton's band has women in too.

Therefore in your eyes Diana Ross and Whitney Houston would not count as they did not write their own songs, as have many other pop stars.

Maybe saying female session musicians do not count is the right position but the Guns N Roses keyboardist and the Franz Ferdinand drummer are both full time members. As are many other female musicians who have joined bands but are not original members. The line between session musicians and band members is blurred a lot of the time.

Plus not including female session musicians does not increase the number of musicians on stage it hinders it so I can't see how that helps the cause

[chazwwe]

18 hours ago, Matt42 said:

His dates don’t match. AM are on the Friday and he’s busy on the Saturday. Elton is headlining the Sunday. 

There’s never any evidence if you close your eyes and ears to all things pointing towards it.

Haha. I don't care if they play or not, I was simply asking what is it we know for GnR, other than 1 person saying thats what they've heard and a Sun article, who have also said Eminem is headlining. 

I've seen a few people claim that Friday was never mentioned on the AM forum. So I'm sorry that I don't keep up with every single Glastonbury rumour. 

[km9]

This could get complicated.

I've just read that Christine (and the Queens... I'm aware that's not the artists real name by the way) identifies 'in the masculine'. 

Please be aware I'm not singling them out, but would Christine and the Queens be seen as a female act or a male act?

For avoidance of doubt I'm a big fan of Christine by the way.

[sisco]

21 minutes ago, km9 said:

This could get complicated.

I've just read that Christine (and the Queens... I'm aware that's not the artists real name by the way) identifies 'in the masculine'. 

Please be aware I'm not singling them out, but would Christine and the Queens be seen as a female act or a male act?

For avoidance of doubt I'm a big fan of Christine by the way.

I mentioned Sam Smith yesterday doesn’t identify… so what for them? This whole 50/50 debate/point doesn’t work

[chazwwe]

8 minutes ago, sisco said:

I mentioned Sam Smith yesterday doesn’t identify… so what for them? This whole 50/50 debate/point doesn’t work

The 50/50 debate was always a strange one. It should be about overall diversity. Race, colour, gender, sex and sexuality. The more diverse across the whole card the better it looks, personally. 

[Florian Saucer Attack]

8 minutes ago, chazwwe said:

The 50/50 debate was always a strange one. It should be about overall diversity. Race, colour, gender, sex and sexuality. The more diverse across the whole card the better it looks, personally. 

I think I've thoroughly proven how difficult it is to decide what fairly constitutes a female act. Trying to equally account for  Race, colour, gender, sex and sexuality would be 100 times harder.

You also forgot to include nationality. Does glastonbury book enough Norwegian acts? Are they underrepresented?

[gfa]

Its about encouraging diversity on the main stages rather than actually hitting exactly 50/50 across the whole festival

Its not like the dance areas will be getting remotely close to 50/50 anytime soon

[chazwwe]

22 minutes ago, Florian Saucer Attack said:

I think I've thoroughly proven how difficult it is to decide what fairly constitutes a female act. Trying to equally account for  Race, colour, gender, sex and sexuality would be 100 times harder.

You also forgot to include nationality. Does glastonbury book enough Norwegian acts? Are they underrepresented?

I'm not saying one specific thing, one specific gender or race, or as you say nationality (which Glastonbury are very good at) I mean it as an overall umbrella term. Are they going to get every single nationality ever year? No, but its encouraging the open talk of saying 'well why shouldn't there be more acts with female members in it' Rather than pushing it down and making it sound like a strawman argument and coming across as an idiot.

[Welshinexile]

1 hour ago, gfa said:

Welcome!

Think they'd be headliner rather than legend - people on here have been asking for them for years but they seem unlikely to take the paycut unfortunately

I wondered if they would go for it now that there are only 2 of them left & they are touring currently. They’d be so great esp in the legends slot! 

[Jose Pose]

32 minutes ago, Florian Saucer Attack said:

I think I've thoroughly proven how difficult it is to decide what fairly constitutes a female act. Trying to equally account for  Race, colour, gender, sex and sexuality would be 100 times harder.

You also forgot to include nationality. Does glastonbury book enough Norwegian acts? Are they underrepresented?

Nationality is irrelevant, it’s a UK festival with a green ethos who actively encourage thousands to come by coach. Nationality will get represented by proxy of what music is popular and credible. To actually go out of their way to represent specific nationalities would be in direct conflict with the festivals ethos. If anything, they should be going out of their way to promote UK acts.

Edited December 23, 2022 by Jose Pose

[thewayiam]

45 minutes ago, chazwwe said:

The 50/50 debate was always a strange one. It should be about overall diversity. Race, colour, gender, sex and sexuality. The more diverse across the whole card the better it looks, personally. 

It should just be about who's big enough etc for the slots on offer. No one is discriminating by not booking a certain field.

[VCK]

3 hours ago, The Nal said:

What a year of misogyny that was. Racist too. 

Neil Young, Springsteen and Blur pale in comparison into whoever this week's most played Capital FM artist is.

[VCK]

50 minutes ago, chazwwe said:

The 50/50 debate was always a strange one. It should be about overall diversity. Race, colour, gender, sex and sexuality. The more diverse across the whole card the better it looks, personally. 

The more good artists across the whole card, the better it looks personally.

I don't care what gender, race, etc the artist is. I just want plenty of good music. I couldn't care less if someone like Taylor Swift headlines because she's not my thing.

Edited December 23, 2022 by VCK