When will this shit end?

[incident]

26 minutes ago, Havors said:

Yes Cummings isnt stupid... he is waiting for Hancock to hang himself even more before releasing any evidence. 

That or Cummings is a compulsive liar and was just full of shit? 

[Chapple12345]

8 minutes ago, steviewevie said:

Wasn't Kent virus taking off in parts of SE for a month or two before it spread throughout the country?

Yeah i believe it was around September, however they only notified us of it and took action November/December time when it was too late, hopefully this time the measure such as surge testing/vaccinations will pay off 

[Fuzzy Afro]

There is going to be an exit wave regardless. The virus won’t burn out until it gets through the anti-vaxxers.

 

The choice is do you take a larger exit wave in July and August (anti-vaxxers and younger people) when the NHS can cope or wait until the autumn and limit it to mainly anti-vaxxers but put pressure on the NHS when it’s busy with other conditions anyway.

 

I still suspect there will be some sort of fudge where they largely go ahead with the reopening this summer (either on 21st or with a 2-4 week delay) but keep a lot of the mitigations in place.

[DeanoL]

13 minutes ago, ryan1992 said:

The most depressing thing I've read in a while. That people are so resigned to the new mediocre half-life that is being created makes me feel a bit hopeless. To think in 1968 there was a pandemic that killed a few million worldwide when the world's population was half of what it is now. Things didn't change at all and when I speak to people who lived through it, they don't even remember it. Now we have people acceptant of living in a dystopian, biosecurity state for the rest of their lives because of the illogical psychological trauma created by the media during this last year and a half. You speak solely for yourself when you say 'it won't necessarily be worse'. It will be worse. We shouldn't learn to live without nightclubs and travel and pubs opening properly. Many of my best friends I met travelling or when mingling at a bar. We are robbing people of human connection and friendships and memories and I hope people have enough fight in them to demand a real life back, rather than this current half-life than shows no sign of ending cause people have lost all concept of risk and mortality. I would trade the final five years of my life to get back the time in my twenties lost to lockdown.

Things like the world wars changed society hugely - but not for the worse necessarily.

Nightclubs and pubs will only close if they can't attract people to them - the reality is they were struggling to do that pre-pandemic. It won't be COVID restrictions that do them in, it'll be people finding new ways to relate and spend time. Socialising in homes has become so much more normalised than previously and will continue to be so.

But anywhere there is a demand there will still be stuff. It's just city centres may find they can only support 50 pubs instead of 200. There may only be 10 nightclubs instead of 40 and so on.

If you and others like you create demand for something it'll still exist. But it might require making the effort to support such places regularly, hell, even run them yourself! Same as it's ever been.

[steviewevie]

Just now, Chapple12345 said:

Yeah i believe it was around September, however they only notified us of it and took action November/December time when it was too late, hopefully this time the measure such as surge testing/vaccinations will pay off 

yeah, but probably only started to become the dominant variant in November/December time...but yes, too late to react to it again. They should have listened more to fake SAGE and a bit less to the CRG posse.

[DeanoL]

2 minutes ago, Fuzzy Afro said:

There is going to be an exit wave regardless. The virus won’t burn out until it gets through the anti-vaxxers.

 

The choice is do you take a larger exit wave in July and August (anti-vaxxers and younger people) when the NHS can cope or wait until the autumn and limit it to mainly anti-vaxxers but put pressure on the NHS when it’s busy with other conditions anyway.

 

I still suspect there will be some sort of fudge where they largely go ahead with the reopening this summer (either on 21st or with a 2-4 week delay) but keep a lot of the mitigations in place.

Can we have option C - wait until autumn but the NHS refuses to treat anyone for COVID who doesn't have either a vaccine or a medical exemption for not having one?

[Ozanne]

14 minutes ago, Chapple12345 said:

I suppose it could be argued it hasn't had the time to travel but as you say after we'd discovered the Kent variant cases exploded absolutely everywhere and that was with most places having tighter restrictions than they do now 

It kind of is though, cases are increasing nearly everywhere in the country some are naturally lower due to the issues we’ve seen constantly throughout the pandemic but near enough all areas are seeing rises. Besides we’ve only just started mixing indoors again, it takes time to filter through. 

[steviewevie]

1 minute ago, DeanoL said:

Things like the world wars changed society hugely - but not for the worse necessarily.

Nightclubs and pubs will only close if they can't attract people to them - the reality is they were struggling to do that pre-pandemic. It won't be COVID restrictions that do them in, it'll be people finding new ways to relate and spend time. Socialising in homes has become so much more normalised than previously and will continue to be so.

But anywhere there is a demand there will still be stuff. It's just city centres may find they can only support 50 pubs instead of 200. There may only be 10 nightclubs instead of 40 and so on.

If you and others like you create demand for something it'll still exist. But it might require making the effort to support such places regularly, hell, even run them yourself! Same as it's ever been.

I remember the good old days when I didn't need to wear a seat belt in the car and I didn't have to pick up my dog's shit and I could smoke in the pub or office or bus or plane. Things do change, and become normal. Maybe social distancing and masks will too.

[chestwig]

18 minutes ago, ryan1992 said:

The most depressing thing I've read in a while. That people are so resigned to the new mediocre half-life that is being created makes me feel a bit hopeless. To think in 1968 there was a pandemic that killed a few million worldwide when the world's population was half of what it is now. Things didn't change at all and when I speak to people who lived through it, they don't even remember it. Now we have people acceptant of living in a dystopian, biosecurity state for the rest of their lives because of the illogical psychological trauma created by the media during this last year and a half. You speak solely for yourself when you say 'it won't necessarily be worse'. It will be worse. We shouldn't learn to live without nightclubs and travel and pubs opening properly. Many of my best friends I met travelling or when mingling at a bar. We are robbing people of human connection and friendships and memories and I hope people have enough fight in them to demand a real life back, rather than this current half-life than shows no sign of ending cause people have lost all concept of risk and mortality. I would trade the final five years of my life to get back the time in my twenties lost to lockdown.

Ryan you're entirely right. You need to accept that people live in a totally different reality to you though. They have fallen victim to media propganda and fear mongering from institutions, corporations and goverment. I.e they are screen damaged.

I just wonder how many stages of denial people will need to go through to finally see that there is a big agenda and this has been the kickstart.

The lockdowns and coercised vaccinations are literally the crime of the century. Particularly when there where effective generic treatments available.

There's good people that are fighting this total attach on western civilization, perpetrated by rich oligarchs.

https://off-guardian.org/2021/06/09/whos-chief-scientist-served-with-legal-notice-for-disinformation-and-suppression-of-evidence/

[Fuzzy Afro]

1 minute ago, DeanoL said:

Can we have option C - wait until autumn but the NHS refuses to treat anyone for COVID who doesn't have either a vaccine or a medical exemption for not having one?

I am a fan of this approach however I’m not sure it’ll fly ethically.

Slightly less strongly than your wording, I don’t think they should refuse to treat them altogether, but should deprioritise them if triage is needed 

 

[efcfanwirral]

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2021/04/25/government-scientist-has-advocated-covid-controls-member-communist/amp/

I know people sometimes accuse them of such, but that one on channel 5 earlier talking about measures forever is actually a member of the communist party... I think that's a pretty legitimate conflict of interest when being part of an advisory group in a situation like this...

[chestwig]

I'm absolutely flabbergasted at the amount of screen damaged people who come on this forum.

 

 

[zero000]

2 hours ago, efcfanwirral said:

D

 

This is the kind of rhetoric which prompts all of the FAKE SAGE diatribes. It’s extremely unhelpful messaging and completely out of touch with the level of risk. 
 

Social distancing and masks “forever” is an absurd statement. She can’t see the wood from the trees.

[Fuzzy Afro]

Just another thought @DeanoL - but if you’re going down the line that anti-vaxxers should be lower priority in a triage because they have effectively self-inflicted by refusing the vaccine, shouldn’t that also apply to obese people (most under 70’s hospitalised with covid are obese) or those with underlying conditions that have been brought on by unhealthy lifestyle choices?

 

Getting the vaccine isn’t the only way we can protect ourselves against becoming seriously ill with covid and I think if we go down the route of prioritising “deserving” patients then we need to bring other factors into the conversation too. 

[JoeyT]

Bloody freeloaders 😂

 

[steviewevie]

5 minutes ago, efcfanwirral said:

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2021/04/25/government-scientist-has-advocated-covid-controls-member-communist/amp/

I know people sometimes accuse them of such, but that one on channel 5 earlier talking about measures forever is actually a member of the communist party... I think that's a pretty legitimate conflict of interest when being part of an advisory group in a situation like this...

wow, cool. I like her. Maybe I'm screen damaged.

[Ryan1984]

2 hours ago, efcfanwirral said:

I agree with Giddings in that article - just get tests involved for this summer and do it.

I'm still convinced it's political- mass gatherings "feel" dangerous to the older people and may damage their opinion polls. 

Part of me thinks they want the ‘festival of Brexit’ to be the start of the reopening of mass events/festivals. Think it’s due next year?

[Fuzzy Afro]

12 minutes ago, DeanoL said:

Things like the world wars changed society hugely - but not for the worse necessarily.

Nightclubs and pubs will only close if they can't attract people to them - the reality is they were struggling to do that pre-pandemic. It won't be COVID restrictions that do them in, it'll be people finding new ways to relate and spend time. Socialising in homes has become so much more normalised than previously and will continue to be so.

But anywhere there is a demand there will still be stuff. It's just city centres may find they can only support 50 pubs instead of 200. There may only be 10 nightclubs instead of 40 and so on.

If you and others like you create demand for something it'll still exist. But it might require making the effort to support such places regularly, hell, even run them yourself! Same as it's ever been.

I blame the dating apps for this.

 

15-20 years ago the main two reasons people went on nights out were to drink with friends and to pull fellow singletons. Dating apps now mean that the latter no longer mainly happens on the dance floor, and therefore the two reasons can be decoupled.

 

So that just leaves drinking with friends. And it’s far cheaper to do that at home. 

[efcfanwirral]

Just now, Ryan1984 said:

Part of me thinks they want the ‘festival of Brexit’ to be the start of the reopening of mass events/festivals. Think it’s due next year?

Not sure needing to bring in the riot police is quite the opening party they're looking for but good luck to them 😂

On a serious note who's actually going to play that?! 

[JB15]

11 minutes ago, chestwig said:

I'm absolutely flabbergasted at the amount of screen damaged people who come on this forum.

 

 

I’ve had my vaccine yet my 4G signal hasn’t improved yet. Why when this was a promised side effect?

[philipsteak]

3 minutes ago, efcfanwirral said:

Not sure needing to bring in the riot police is quite the opening party they're looking for but good luck to them 😂

On a serious note who's actually going to play that?! 

Mike Read, Laurence Fox with Jim Davidson and Geoff Norcott in the comedy tent

 

[incident]

1 minute ago, Fuzzy Afro said:

Just another thought @DeanoL - but if you’re going down the line that anti-vaxxers should be lower priority in a triage because they have effectively self-inflicted by refusing the vaccine, shouldn’t that also apply to obese people (most under 70’s hospitalised with covid are obese) or those with underlying conditions that have been brought on by unhealthy lifestyle choices?

 

Getting the vaccine isn’t the only way we can protect ourselves against becoming seriously ill with covid and I think if we go down the route of prioritising “deserving” patients then we need to bring other factors into the conversation too. 

I assume you're fishing for a reaction (and yeah, I'm providing it) because otherwise that's a bizarre connection to make - getting a vaccine isn't the only way we can help protect ourselves, but it is very much a clear cut decision: you can choose to protect yourself and others, or you can choose not to.

Yes, obesity or other conditions that increase the impact of COVID will often be connected to poor health choices - but they're not always, and there's often different degrees and measures. They're also not something that can be solved with a single decision, or in anything close to the few weeks it takes to get both jabs.

[Fuzzy Afro]

1 minute ago, incident said:

I assume you're fishing for a reaction (and yeah, I'm providing it) because otherwise that's a bizarre connection to make - getting a vaccine isn't the only way we can help protect ourselves, but it is very much a clear cut decision: you can choose to protect yourself and others, or you can choose not to.

Yes, obesity or other conditions that increase the impact of COVID will often be connected to poor health choices - but they're not always, and there's often different degrees and measures. They're also not something that can be solved with a single decision, or in anything close to the few weeks it takes to get both jabs.

Very fair points 🙂 I wasn’t looking for a reaction at all, just an explanation. I’ve long been of the view that the majority of severe covid cases are self-inflicted for multiple different reason, and not taking the vaccine is only one of them. 

[Crazyfool01]

21 minutes ago, Ozanne said:

It kind of is though, cases are increasing nearly everywhere in the country some are naturally lower due to the issues we’ve seen constantly throughout the pandemic but near enough all areas are seeing rises. Besides we’ve only just started mixing indoors again, it takes time to filter through. 

In the south west the arrows are pretty much all increasing … 3 out of around 16 local authorities are the same or decreasing and the rest on an upward trajectory  … the variant will take a bit of time to establish in some areas … fortunately here we are stable at 5 per 100,000 for the last few days but that won’t last 

[Ozanne]

Just now, crazyfool1 said:

In the south west the arrows are pretty much all increasing … 3 out of around 16 local authorities are the same or decreasing and the rest on an upward trajectory  … the variant will take a bit of time to establish in some areas … fortunately here we are stable at 5 per 100,000 for the last few days but that won’t last 

Cases have always been low in the SW haven’t they, but as you say they are rising there too it just takes time.