When will this shit end?

[zahidf]

 

[JoeyT]

Just had an email asking if I want to take part in the Valneva vaccine trial.

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If you are 30 years of age and over, you will be randomly assigned to receive either the investigational vaccine or the AstraZeneca vaccine, which is currently being administered throughout the UK as part of the national vaccine roll out. There is a two in three chance you will receive the investigational vaccine and a one in three chance you will receive the AstraZeneca vaccine.

 

[Mimo]

2 hours ago, JoeyT said:

If you only want to read one opinion then you'll have to start talking to yourself in the mirror, this is a forum made of other people...

We have people on this thread who will think the roadmap is too slow, people who think it's about right and people who thing it's too fast.

In my original post of which you've quoted a reply to I didn't use any belittling terms. I referred to independent sage by their actual name and insinuated something which it's hard to argue against... as a group of scientists they sway very much towards an end of the spectrum which I find difficult to comprehend. It's a global pandemic which has left people with little hope as it is, why try and remove what little is left?

More often than not I post direct links to posts from Twitter which are positive. This is due to a preference of looking at life with a glass half full rather than half empty.

Tbf I don’t think that post was aimed specifically at you but at all those continuously making Trumpy style disparaging and dismissive remarks about anything they disagree with. That sort of stuff makes this thread unnecessarily horrible to read a lot of the time. This thread should/could be a good place to come and see what’s going on, but quite often it’s a bit of a dumpster fire tbh. And i say that as someone who has given up reading it multiple times yet can’t seem to help checking back in. It bums me out.

Also fwiw I think many of the public figures who get disparaged aren’t being glass half empty, merely realistic and honest. Yes there are some like that Eric Feigl-Ding who are a hysterical fear mongers and might deserve a degree of derision, but then people like Devi Shridar seem to have become beacons for abuse despite being fairly reasonable throughout. I struggle to understand why that is.

The pandemic will definitely end, but pretending the power of positivity alone will make it go away is only going to prolong it. 

 

[JoeyT]

 

[Mimo]

We need both positivity and realism in equal measure. 
 

imo of course 🙂

[zahidf]

 

[JoeyT]

@zahidf got there first 

Edited April 29, 2021 by JoeyT

[steviewevie]

6 minutes ago, Mimo said:

We need both positivity and realism in equal measure. 
 

imo of course 🙂

and a bit of negativity surely...?

[efcfanwirral]

https://institute.global/policy/ahead-curve-preventing-third-wave-covid-19

Tony Blair's institute wants to delay step 4 until everyone is vaccinated. Thankfully talking just about one dose not two there, wants it delayed til July. 

[mcshed]

7 minutes ago, zahidf said:

 

Can Scotland start doing 1st doses again sometime soon?

[steviewevie]

1 minute ago, efcfanwirral said:

https://institute.global/policy/ahead-curve-preventing-third-wave-covid-19

Tony Blair's institute wants to delay step 4 until everyone is vaccinated. Thankfully talking just about one dose not two there, wants it delayed til July. 

I guess we'd better do what he says.

[efcfanwirral]

5 minutes ago, steviewevie said:

I guess we'd better do what he says.

Well he seems to have influence for some unknown reason so I wouldn't be surprised it this is the road we go down. Pretty reasonable considering I was expecting this sort of advice to be wait til everyone is fully vaccinated, which obviously then becomes respiratory season and too dangerous to unlock properly then 

[zahidf]

 

[zahidf]

9 minutes ago, efcfanwirral said:

https://institute.global/policy/ahead-curve-preventing-third-wave-covid-19

Tony Blair's institute wants to delay step 4 until everyone is vaccinated. Thankfully talking just about one dose not two there, wants it delayed til July. 

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• Second, despite impressive vaccine take-up, the population protection afforded by inoculation and past infections looks set to fall short of what will be needed to reach herd immunity even once the vaccine has been offered to all adults."

I dont know why SAGE are saying that. Seems unduly pessimistic. Vaccine take up is very high 

Edited April 29, 2021 by zahidf

[northernringo]

The NI region where I live (there are 11 in total) currently has a 7 day rate per 100k of 5.6! Crazy low.

NI's level is 33.2 overall.

[zahidf]

14 minutes ago, mcshed said:

Can Scotland start doing 1st doses again sometime soon?

i think they are getting all the hard to reach people with their second doses? 

[zahidf]

13 minutes ago, steviewevie said:

I guess we'd better do what he says.

Time to invade Iraq again?

[Hannibal Schmitt]

Rather good news:

The German biotech group Biontech expects its corona vaccine for children to be approved soon. "We have submitted the study data for 12 to 15 year olds in the USA for conditional approval, in Europe we are on the last legs before submission," said Biontech founder and boss Ugur Sahin the "Spiegel".

Next Wednesday, the European Medicines Agency (EMA) should apply for approval for children from the age of twelve. For the corona vaccines already approved in the EU, a few weeks passed between application and approval. The first schoolchildren could be vaccinated from the beginning of June. In early April, vaccine partners Biontech and Pfizer submitted emergency approval for this age group in the United States. In both the US and the EU, the vaccine has so far been approved for people aged 16 and over.

and in our country there will be 750.000 doses of vaccine available from early June onwards - per week - seems after the slow start we now have too much vaccine here.

[philipsteak]

20 minutes ago, steviewevie said:

and a bit of negativity surely...?

'Balance'

[zahidf]

15 minutes ago, efcfanwirral said:

Well he seems to have influence for some unknown reason so I wouldn't be surprised it this is the road we go down. Pretty reasonable considering I was expecting this sort of advice to be wait til everyone is fully vaccinated, which obviously then becomes respiratory season and too dangerous to unlock properly then 

Anyway people have in their heads 21 June, they have had it for months. Its set now and any government that attempts to drag that out now would be committing Seppuku. If Boris publicly contemplated about extending it past then , i would expect the 1922 committee to be getting letters in from the CRG backbenchers. 

People will keep calm and carry on until 21 June but then it is OVER in most peoples minds. Some people will want to drag it out 'Just in case' but for the overwhelming majority of people the 22nd June will be it. No ifs, no buts, no messing around.
 

[steviewevie]

8 minutes ago, zahidf said:

Anyway people have in their heads 21 June, they have had it for months. Its set now and any government that attempts to drag that out now would be committing Seppuku. If Boris publicly contemplated about extending it past then , i would expect the 1922 committee to be getting letters in from the CRG backbenchers. 

People will keep calm and carry on until 21 June but then it is OVER in most peoples minds. Some people will want to drag it out 'Just in case' but for the overwhelming majority of people the 22nd June will be it. No ifs, no buts, no messing around.
 

who's saying that?

[Crazyfool01]

1 minute ago, steviewevie said:

who's saying that?

Zahidf ... is he on the block list too ? 

[steviewevie]

Just now, crazyfool1 said:

Zahidf ... is he on the block list too ? 

I thought he copied/pasted from somewhere as it was highlighted

I wouldn't block Zahidf...some of his fake sage nerds stuff annoys me, but no one's perfect (except you).

[Copperface]

1 minute ago, steviewevie said:

who's saying that?

There again, the same 'people' had 'normality at Easter', 'vaccinate the vulnerable and open up', the Tories will never pass the review of the Coronavirus Act in March, all restrictions binned by March ad infinitum, totally ignoring both Johnson and Hancock referring to a full return to cultural activities by autumn and back to normal in 2022 respectively. 

[DeanoL]

4 hours ago, Mr.Tease said:

Genuine question, are you and your similar posters not genuinely bored to tears by now of typing the same lame joke/terms like 'fake sage', 'nerds', 'boffins', 'variant porn', 'data not dates', 'muzzles', 'face nappies' etc every single day, multiple times day for the past two months, even after everyone else has repeatedly said how tedious it is. Do you do this in real life, just repeat yourself every single day with no interest as to whether anyone else is bored? I know I'm bored to tears posting complaints about it every week or so!

I actually rely on them for posting of some of the post interesting pessimistic viewpoints on the thread. Literally the only people posting stuff by Indie Sage are people posting it and going "doom-mongers back again". 

If I'm honest I mostly follow the whole COVID thing via this thread and so it's really helpful. Probably wouldn't have discovered the brilliant Devi Shridar without them!

34 minutes ago, zahidf said:

"

• Second, despite impressive vaccine take-up, the population protection afforded by inoculation and past infections looks set to fall short of what will be needed to reach herd immunity even once the vaccine has been offered to all adults."

I dont know why SAGE are saying that. Seems unduly pessimistic. Vaccine take up is very high 

We talked at length about herd immunity yesterday, but in short even with 100% take-up, you won't reach herd immunity if either the natural R rate of the variant in the population you're looking at is too high, or the amount vaccines prevent transmission is too low. 

Whether we actually need herd immunity is another issue entirely.