When will this shit end?

[eFestivals]

1 minute ago, zahidf said:

Im not expecting the govt to keep social distancing in any form once the vaccien is distribuited

me neither, but it depends what you're meaning exactly with "once the vaccien is distribuited".

If we can only vaccinate 1 million a week, that'll be a year before everyone is vaccinated.

[squirrelarmy]

1 minute ago, JoeyT said:

To be fair there I don't think the government will be dictated to by WHO and it's them who we have to worry about not the WHO.

Don’t you think the government will listen to Roger Daltrey and Pete Townshend?

[steviewevie]

Just now, JoeyT said:

To be fair there I don't think the government will be dictated to by WHO and it's them who we have to worry about not the WHO.

yeah...Bojo already doing a little distancing from what JVT was saying at the press thing yesterday.

[zahidf]

2 minutes ago, eFestivals said:

me neither, but it depends what you're meaning exactly with "once the vaccien is distribuited".

If we can only vaccinate 1 million a week, that'll be a year before everyone is vaccinated.

oh, i dont mean everyone getting vaccinated. I reckon once the vulnerable groups have had theirs and there is enough for it to be publicly available. 

 

Capitalism doesnt care about avoiding every death, just keeping it to an acceptable minimum

Edited December 3, 2020 by zahidf

[efcfanwirral]

2 minutes ago, zahidf said:

The politicians will deviate from the CMO's once the vaccine is out there more. Van Tam has been saying this morning how the decision isn't up to him. Summer ecents and tourism are simply to important for economic renewal 

The WHO said we will need social distancing until XMas next year even with a vaccine in wide distribution. Good luck with enforcing that

They'll need some kind of new fear of the rest of us catching it to keep that going. I know a lot are scared and that will be an obstacle to overcome, but a lot of us are only really bothered about catching it and passing it on. I've accepted I'll be exposed to it at some point and my body will do what its going to do.  

I know not 100%/vaccine not working in very vulnerable/those who can't take the vaccine are the actual reasons but it's hard to sell that to people who can't put food on the table.

[duke88]

29 minutes ago, eFestivals said:

bastard Santa, jumping the vaccine queue. 

Bet he went to Eton.

To be fair, he is WELL old.

[Crazyfool01]

Is there anyone on here that will stick to restrictions once the vulnerable have had their jabs in terms of meeting and socialising in your own home ? I doubt there will be many ... 

[zahidf]

3 minutes ago, crazyfool1 said:

Is there anyone on here that will stick to restrictions once the vulnerable have had their jabs in terms of meeting and socialising in your own home ? I doubt there will be many ... 

Yeah once the vulnerable has it i wont be following anything like that

[Ozanne]

1 minute ago, crazyfool1 said:

Is there anyone on here that will stick to restrictions once the vulnerable have had their jabs in terms of meeting and socialising in your own home ? I doubt there will be many ... 

Yeah I’ve followed them all up to now and I’m not going to stop until they say it’s safe too. It’s not just the vulnerable we have to worry about.

Then again I’m a bit of a loser anyway so will tend to stick to these types of things even though others around me don’t. 

[efcfanwirral]

6 minutes ago, zahidf said:

oh, i dont mean everyone getting vaccinated. I reckon once the vulnerable groups have had theirs and there is enough for it to be publicly available. 

 

Capitalism doesnt care about avoiding every death, just keeping it to an acceptable minimum

I wouldn't even say it's a stick to beat capitalism with - we'd do the same for the flu and every other infectious disease and outlaw socialising and mass gatherings forever on that logic...

[zahidf]

• He implied that the government was still considering the case for supplying people with vaccination certificates, which could then make it easier for people to access services or venues. Asked if this would happen, he replied:

I don’t think thinking is fully complete, or has evolved, to a point where I can give you any firm information.

But he said the NHS would have a clear digital record of who had been vaccinated.

There are definite plans to make sure that we absolutely know, and it is linked to health digital records, who has had the vaccine, who has one dose, two doses if two doses are required, which vaccine they’ve had, and when they’ve had it.

 

Today the Tony Blair Institute for Global Change has published a report saying, among other things, that the government should “urgently approve a digital platform for a health passport that can draw on vaccine and testing data to enable individuals to live freely and safely alongside Covid-19”.

[steviewevie]

4 minutes ago, crazyfool1 said:

Is there anyone on here that will stick to restrictions once the vulnerable have had their jabs in terms of meeting and socialising in your own home ? I doubt there will be many ... 

I will in the office, but not in the pub.

[JoeyT]

Also look at it this way, we are literally governed by people who want to claim that we're "a better country" than others because we've authorised a vaccine first so they'll want to be able to make ridiculous claims like this in all things going forward.

They'll be foaming at the mouth to get us to the point where we are the first country to lift as many restrictions as necessary to go back to normal life.

You've said it yourself @eFestivals what better way to advertise this than large scale events...

The World Health Organisation don't actually have any diplomatic power as far as i'm aware? So can offer guidance until they are blue in the face but it's down to individual governments on whether to accept the advice.

BoJo will let us run around live savages asap.

Edited December 3, 2020 by JoeyT

[zahidf]

• He said that, even after people are vaccinated, they will not be able to return to normal life immediately. He explained:

Until we are properly confident of how the vaccine works and properly confident that disease levels are dropping, even if you have had the vaccine, you are going to need to continue to follow all the rules that apply for a while longer.

 

[efcfanwirral]

1 minute ago, zahidf said:

• He implied that the government was still considering the case for supplying people with vaccination certificates, which could then make it easier for people to access services or venues. Asked if this would happen, he replied:

I don’t think thinking is fully complete, or has evolved, to a point where I can give you any firm information.

But he said the NHS would have a clear digital record of who had been vaccinated.

There are definite plans to make sure that we absolutely know, and it is linked to health digital records, who has had the vaccine, who has one dose, two doses if two doses are required, which vaccine they’ve had, and when they’ve had it.

 

Today the Tony Blair Institute for Global Change has published a report saying, among other things, that the government should “urgently approve a digital platform for a health passport that can draw on vaccine and testing data to enable individuals to live freely and safely alongside Covid-19”.

When groups like that get involved it does hint towards a bigger agenda - taking advantage of the situation to build the world they want. Anything he's involved in, I am instantly suspicious of 

[Crazyfool01]

Just now, Ozanne said:

Yeah I’ve followed them all up to now and I’m not going to stop until they say it’s safe too. It’s not just the vulnerable we have to worry about.

Then again I’m a bit of a loser anyway so will tend to stick to these types of things even though others around me don’t. 

What bollocks ... the looser bit !!! People will be tentative around things of course and it’s going to be a slow path back for me and building up my confidence around numbers and groups as we’ve been accustomed to social distancing etc for quite a while ... but I will start with meeting people that have had the jabs in their own home and check with other friends that they are happy to meet up ...  all targeting June 

[Copperface]

27 minutes ago, efcfanwirral said:

Scientists want to fully stop all infections, and any risk of illness or death so they have only one thing to worry about. That's impossible in the world we've built.

 

No, they clearly stated that we would be living with the virus in the future. There is no suggestion of eradication.

[JoeyT]

5 minutes ago, crazyfool1 said:

Is there anyone on here that will stick to restrictions once the vulnerable have had their jabs in terms of meeting and socialising in your own home ? I doubt there will be many ... 

I think it'll depend on the company i'm keeping at the time.

I'll respect others and their choices. I know some will take longer to adapt back to "normal" so will act accordingly.

If that makes sense...?

[Crazyfool01]

Just now, JoeyT said:

I think it'll depend on the company i'm keeping at the time.

I'll respect others and their choices. I know some will take longer to adapt back to "normal" so will act accordingly.

If that makes sense...?

Yep absolutely see my follow up post  

[jparx]

10 minutes ago, crazyfool1 said:

Is there anyone on here that will stick to restrictions once the vulnerable have had their jabs in terms of meeting and socialising in your own home ? I doubt there will be many ... 

I won’t just drop everything, but once say my grandparents and parents have had the jab, I’ll be much more willing to see them. I don’t see the sense in socially distancing from them once they’re safe.

[Copperface]

29 minutes ago, eFestivals said:

problem is, while the public might ignore the guidelines, it still would fuck festivals and gigs because they'd have to work guidelines which would limit audiences.

This is what I've been saying for a long time. 95% of daily life will be restored with few restrictions and that will placate the vast majority of the population, but it's simply too early for large scale multiday events like Glastonbury to proceed in an unaltered format. Most of the country won't give a damn. The Euros are on, the Olympics might be on in some format or another, a few festivals are of no concern to the Tory voting public. If the can restore mass tourism without such events, they'll be happy with that.

Edited December 3, 2020 by Copperface

[Crazyfool01]

1 minute ago, jparx said:

I won’t just drop everything, but once say my grandparents and parents have had the jab, I’ll be much more willing to see them. I don’t see the sense in socially distancing from them once they’re safe.

I will certainly start back in the dating world too ... and visiting pubs and music venues ... hopefully by default those people have also made the decision that the risk is one that they are happy to take at that stage 

[parsonjack]

1 hour ago, JoeyT said:

I actually asked in his medical opinion if it was the 6 pints of brothers strawberry & kiwi cider I had before the Hot Chip gig at West holts in 2015 which made me cry or it was in fact just that good a gig it would have happened if I was sober. 

I asked if there was going to be a Dangermouse Christmas Special.

[Ozanne]

8 minutes ago, crazyfool1 said:

What bollocks ... the looser bit !!! People will be tentative around things of course and it’s going to be a slow path back for me and building up my confidence around numbers and groups as we’ve been accustomed to social distancing etc for quite a while ... but I will start with meeting people that have had the jabs in their own home and check with other friends that they are happy to meet up ...  all targeting June 

I didn’t mean anyone else that does that is a loser. Just talking about myself in that regards. I tend to follow rules.

Some of restrictions will possibly be place once the vulnerable get vaccinated whilst they roll it out others so I’ll stick to those rules like I’ve done all the rest.

[efcfanwirral]

 

8 minutes ago, jparx said:

I won’t just drop everything, but once say my grandparents and parents have had the jab, I’ll be much more willing to see them. I don’t see the sense in socially distancing from them once they’re safe.

 

5 minutes ago, crazyfool1 said:

I will certainly start back in the dating world too ... and visiting pubs and music venues ... hopefully by default those people have also made the decision that the risk is one that they are happy to take at that stage 

Pretty much same for me - once my dad and grandad are protected I'll do whatever I'm allowed to . Until then, my own personal lockdown (in case of having to spend any unexpected time with them). Apart from the 4 days the virus takes its Christmas holidays of course...and that's the girlfriend's parents so not my decision 

Edited December 3, 2020 by efcfanwirral