When will this shit end?

[StuMalinas]

25 minutes ago, Ozanne said:

Today’s figures:

 

0.28% positivity rate- yet we are still locked down what’s going on

[zahidf]

 

[steviewevie]

18 minutes ago, StuMalinas said:

0.28% positivity rate- yet we are still locked down what’s going on

we've just started to unlock.

[eFestivals]

On 3/23/2020 at 4:51 PM, steviewevie said:

I don't think we'll see any music festivals in this country until summer 2021..

There's going to be lots happening this summer. 

[StuMalinas]

6 minutes ago, steviewevie said:

we've just started to unlock.

You mean I can meet one person for a picnic  outside, hardly unlocking is it Steve 

[Guest]

8 minutes ago, steviewevie said:

we've just started to unlock.

It’s 2 weeks tomorrow we can start to socialise with a group of friends outside as well, if the reopening of schools doesn’t have much of an impact.  We are slowly but surely leaving lockdown which will hopefully be for the last time. 

Edited March 14, 2021 by Ozanne

[stuartbert two hats]

52 minutes ago, Ozanne said:

Today’s figures:

 

I know it's a good thing, but seeing those tests spike so sharply gives me a fright every time for a second.

[stuartbert two hats]

51 minutes ago, Ozanne said:

Vaccination update:

Here. We. Go!

[stuartbert two hats]

55 minutes ago, zahidf said:

Pausing from that batch is more reasonable. Some countries are pausing all AZN vaccines though which seems an over reaction

Agreed. Especially if not even manufactured on that site (I've no idea on the details other than what @Toilet Duck said earlier)

[zahidf]

4 minutes ago, Ozanne said:

It’s 2 weeks tomorrow we can start to socialise with a group of friends outside as well, if the reopening of schools doesn’t have much of an impact.  We are slowly but surely leaving lockdown which will hopefully be for the last time. 

That sounds ridiculously slow to me. Should allow rule of 6 from tomorrow.

[BobWillis2]

As I’ve said many times, covid ceased to be a public health crisis as of the 6th March. 

[stuartbert two hats]

6 minutes ago, StuMalinas said:

You mean I can meet one person for a picnic  outside, hardly unlocking is it Steve 

The schools are the biggie. They want to be sure that they can keep those open, so the other new freedoms are pretty inconsequential.

It's takes at about 2 weeks to see the impact of relaxations in the case numbers.

[steviewevie]

37 minutes ago, StuMalinas said:

You mean I can meet one person for a picnic  outside, hardly unlocking is it Steve 

Stevie to you.

And don't blame me, blame boris.

[Guest]

30 minutes ago, stuartbert two hats said:

The schools are the biggie. They want to be sure that they can keep those open, so the other new freedoms are pretty inconsequential.

It's takes at about 2 weeks to see the impact of relaxations in the case numbers.

Exactly. We'll see in the next week to 10 days if schools has. much of an impact which is why there is this extra gap till the rule of 6. Those 2 weeks will go really quickly and in the grand scheme of thing it isn't that long considering we are a year into the pandemic.

Edited March 14, 2021 by Ozanne

[Leyrulion]

1 hour ago, StuMalinas said:

0.28% positivity rate- yet we are still locked down what’s going on

Data not dates. See what effect the first phase of unlocking on monday has on that positivity rate. 

Then unlock more, see what the data does then unlock more.

[Toilet Duck]

2 hours ago, Ryan1984 said:

Should us in the UK be concerned about the amount of countries now suspending the AstraZeneca vaccine? @Toilet Duck?

It seems the right thing to do if there are genuine concerns but it seems odd they are not reflected in our roll out (so far).

Howdy, sorry, went out for a walk!

adverse effects reported in the UK aren’t showing the pattern being seen in Europe, so, it would seem to be fine. The problem we are having at the moment is an odd clustering of thromboembolism cases and in an age range that’s not typical (saying it’s no more prevalent in the general population is not the same as saying it’s no more prevalent in healthy people under 50, which is who this is occurring in and at a rate that is abnormal). Random stuff does cluster of course, it isn’t a fix when the lotto numbers are 1,2,3,4,5 & 6...but it makes people suspicious. The fact that they appear to be from the same batch of vaccine, makes it even more suspicious. I don’t know why there so much debate about this to be honest, it’s perfectly normal, this goes on when any new drug is used, it just isn’t reported on constantly so nobody knows about it. If it’s not random, then it’s possibly down to the manufacturing. The bottom line is that DIC has been a significant cause of mortality in Covid patients, so if this is a risk, then it is still lower than catching the disease. But, it means that post-administration monitoring can reduce the risks (we can look out for warning signs and do something about it early). There may also be other underlying reasons, and if we get to the bottom of it, then it helps safer use of the vaccine (or it could just be random, but clustered). Suggesting proper, safe use of a vaccine fuels anti-vax sentiment makes no sense to me. Those that really don’t want to take it, wont anyway. But if I were hesitant, I’d want to be reassured that it was being rolled out consistent with how we do for any new drug, which is exactly what is happening. The specific batch isn’t sitting in one location, it’s mixed in with other deliveries, so it would probably take just as long to separate them all out rather than pause and restart. They expect to start again by the end of the week here. 

[Chapple12345]

Pardon my ignorance... but surely if another wave doesn't lead to hospitalizations and deaths then this won't affect too much? 

[efcfanwirral]

7 minutes ago, Chapple12345 said:

Pardon my ignorance... but surely if another wave doesn't lead to hospitalizations and deaths then this won't affect too much? 

It doesn't take much to tip the NHS into crisis mode - even a few alongside normal flu season being back and I do wonder what our response will be...

[eFestivals]

2 minutes ago, efcfanwirral said:

It doesn't take much to tip the NHS into crisis mode - even a few alongside normal flu season being back and I do wonder what our response will be...

I've checked out 4different hospitals in the last 3 weeks there's no feeling of a crisis.

[JoeyT]

4 minutes ago, eFestivals said:

I've checked out 4different hospitals in the last 3 weeks there's no feeling of a crisis.

Data not dates only works one way though mate. It’s a joke.

Treating us like fools here.

[aj6658]

Ive been flip flopping around on sticking with the schedule set out and accelerating (Probs due to burn out). Today it seems im feelings that lifting restrictions in June is far too late. As of today,

• Deaths- 52
• Hospitalisations- 534 
• Total people in hospital due to COVID - 8029 (vs 12,889 & 20,993 in 01 March & 15 Feb respectively)

The numbers are in sky fall, don't see how it can be interpreted any other way. If it really is data, not dates. What data do we need to see for restrictions to be lifted faster? 

At this rate by Mid April with the weather turning and a major bump in vaccinations incoming  that we will see death in the 10-20 range and hospitalisations in the low 100s. 

 

[efcfanwirral]

4 minutes ago, eFestivals said:

I've checked out 4different hospitals in the last 3 weeks there's no feeling of a crisis.

Without much covid and flu it'll be fine now but we get these "NHS nearly at capacity" headlines each year with just the flu. I hope they are Tory paper exaggeration

[stuartbert two hats]

I've generally been on the site of caution, but I've been reviewing the plan and it does seem really weird how long they're taking to ease the restrictions on informal outdoor meetings. Three families going to the park together is going to remain illegal for the next two months (+3 days).  That does seem pretty ridiculous.

The rest all seems fine though.

Edited March 14, 2021 by stuartbert two hats

[Leyrulion]

1 minute ago, aj6658 said:

Ive been flip flopping around on sticking with the schedule set out and accelerating (Probs due to burn out). Today it seems im feelings that lifting restrictions in June is far too late. As of today,

• Deaths- 52
• Hospitalisations- 534 
• Total people in hospital due to COVID - 8029 (vs 12,889 & 20,993 in 01 March & 15 Feb respectively)

The numbers are in sky fall, don't see how it can be interpreted any other way. If it really is data, not dates. What data do we need to see for restrictions to be lifted faster? 

At this rate by Mid April with the weather turning and a major bump in vaccinations incoming  that we will see death in the 10-20 range and hospitalisations in the low 100s. 

 

What would you speed up and when?

 

Personally I don't think 14 weeks is all that long to wait, especially given the June deadline is relatively small in the amount of 'stuff' that starts to open so it's really only 9 weeks. 

But open to hearing how people here would open up faster and when?

 

[zahidf]