When will this shit end?

[stuartbert two hats]

1 hour ago, Barry Fish said:

Any proof ? I can’t find any.  The video clearly shows anyone who wanted to leave could leave

An eyewitness account.

[gooner1990]

4 minutes ago, steviewevie said:

yeah, it shouldn't have, but it was always going to...so do police go in there and force people away from a vigil to a young woman killed by one of their own, or do they agree to work with the organisers to allow a peaceful vigil to go ahead with no trouble?

I'm sorry but the whole thing shouldn't have happened to start with (same with the Rangers fans last weekend), the police handling wasn't good either and I'm sure whoever stepped over the mark will be disaplined.

People were repeatedly told to do their own vigil at home (which most did), and the offical one was called off so why these people decided to turn up anyway is beyond me. 

Faults on both sides on this in my opinion.

[steviewevie]

1 minute ago, gooner1990 said:

I'm sorry but the whole thing shouldn't have happened to start with (same with the Rangers fans last weekend), the police handling wasn't good either and I'm sure whoever stepped over the mark will be disaplined.

People were repeatedly told to do their own vigil at home (which most did), and the offical one was called off so why these people decided to turn up anyway is beyond me. 

Faults on both sides on this in my opinion.

Yeah, but Kate went too and she's lovely.

[Matt42]

Our Covid numbers are plummeting, and the police have turned a blind eye / abstained from much larger protests without the need for getting aggressive.

A group of women all wearing masks literally sat with a candle and the police choose to be aggressive.

I think the met need better training.

[steviewevie]

2 minutes ago, gooner1990 said:

I'm sorry but the whole thing shouldn't have happened to start with (same with the Rangers fans last weekend), the police handling wasn't good either and I'm sure whoever stepped over the mark will be disaplined.

People were repeatedly told to do their own vigil at home (which most did), and the offical one was called off so why these people decided to turn up anyway is beyond me. 

Faults on both sides on this in my opinion.

Maybe they didn't recognise the anger from women at how they are abused by random twatty men all the time and they've had enough...this anger was too much for people to just stay home. It was same with black lives matter. And I guess it is the same for all those anti lockdown freaks who I love seeing being dragged away by the rozzers.

[gooner1990]

8 minutes ago, BobWillis2 said:

It was made pretty clear in the courts that this vigil was banned, but because the met “didn’t give them an alternative” they turned up anyway. 
Im not sure what mass gathering alternative they were expected to give to a banned mass gathering. 
FWIW I’m completely against the banning of any mass gathering outdoors. 

 

If the met had allowed it (or some alternative) to go ahead they would have been critisied for that as well I'm sure.

[steviewevie]

2 minutes ago, gooner1990 said:

If the met had allowed it (or some alternative) to go ahead they would have been critisied for that as well I'm sure.

oh no they wouldn't.

[steviewevie]

Labour to vote against policing bill on Tuesday.

[zahidf]

 

[steviewevie]

Just now, Barry Fish said:

Oh yes they would

oh no they wouldn't.

[zahidf]

27 minutes ago, Toilet Duck said:

Yep, it is a small trend, and the risk of coagulation problems following infection is much higher (so even if this does turn out to be a real risk, it’s still lower than actually getting infected with the virus...GBS following flu shots was a known risk, but occurred more frequently following natural infection, so vaccination continued, and that would likely be the case here). I expect it to be nothing, but the red flag is that it’s associated with 1 batch in particular (I believe all doses we have in Ireland come from that batch as we haven’t been getting that many doses delivered!). That could mean that the vaccine is fine, but that there was a manufacturing issue that’s been missed (and why even have a small risk if this can be corrected). It’s important to check this (though the best way to do that would be to send some to the UK and administer side by side with doses there are no reported issues with rather than case matched prospective comparisons in vaccinated vs unvaccinated individuals, it’s a better control as everyone is getting supposedly the same treatment). In Ireland, AZ isn’t currently being used for the priority groups anyway, so the higher risk people will continue to get Pfizer and Moderna while this is checked out (and J&J deliveries are due to begin in a couple of weeks, slowly at first, ramping up in May and June 😁). I don’t have a problem with pausing to be safe. To be honest, AZ’s inability to meet their contractual commitments has cost more lives than a pause for a week or so while safety is confirmed (looks like now they will be 180m+ doses short on their H1 order in the EU, which is shocking). 

That's partly because of the Yanks not letting them leave their plants in the US. Which is ridiculous!

It just feels like they need to look at the precautionary principle aspect of it. But let's see how long they suspend it for.

[Toilet Duck]

Just now, zahidf said:

That's partly because of the Yanks not letting them leave their plants in the US. Which is ridiculous!

It just feels like they need to look at the precautionary principle aspect of it. But let's see how long they suspend it for.

Yeah, 10s of millions of doses sitting unused. Claim is they want to be over-supplied just in case. The EU could presumably give back doses once it’s approved there as we’d be into lower risk people by then and supply for all the vaccines will have improved. Anyway, it is what it is...

 

[steviewevie]

The European Union will be able to stick to its vaccination targets this quarter despite AstraZeneca delivery delays as Pfizer is producing faster than planned, according to EU industry commissioner Thierry Breton.

AstraZeneca said on Friday it would try to deliver 30 million doses to the EU by the end of March, down from a contractual obligation of 90 million and a previous pledge made last month to deliver 40 million doses.

Breton told France’s Europe 1 radio that the delay was unacceptable, but that for now there were no plans to sue the company.

“The good news is that even though there are delays with AstraZeneca we won’t be late with our vaccination programme in the first quarter,” Breton said.

“Pfizer is producing more, much more than planned and is going to deliver more to us,” he added.

EU leaders have come under criticism for a slower rollout of vaccinations than in other countries such as Britain or the United States due to a longer approval and purchasing process and repeated delivery delays.

AstraZeneca’s new lower supply target hinges on the bloc’s drug regulator approving supplies from a factory in the Netherlands, an internal document showed, Reuters reported on Saturday.

[Zoo Music Girl]

8 minutes ago, steviewevie said:

Labour to vote against policing bill on Tuesday.

Good to hear! Have literally just written to my Labour MP about it.

[efcfanwirral]

12 minutes ago, steviewevie said:

Labour to vote against policing bill on Tuesday.

Won't make a difference with their majority though- its almost like there's no point in politics til 2024 (or should we say 2028)  

Edited March 14, 2021 by efcfanwirral

[Toilet Duck]

3 minutes ago, steviewevie said:

The European Union will be able to stick to its vaccination targets this quarter despite AstraZeneca delivery delays as Pfizer is producing faster than planned, according to EU industry commissioner Thierry Breton.

AstraZeneca said on Friday it would try to deliver 30 million doses to the EU by the end of March, down from a contractual obligation of 90 million and a previous pledge made last month to deliver 40 million doses.

Breton told France’s Europe 1 radio that the delay was unacceptable, but that for now there were no plans to sue the company.

“The good news is that even though there are delays with AstraZeneca we won’t be late with our vaccination programme in the first quarter,” Breton said.

“Pfizer is producing more, much more than planned and is going to deliver more to us,” he added.

EU leaders have come under criticism for a slower rollout of vaccinations than in other countries such as Britain or the United States due to a longer approval and purchasing process and repeated delivery delays.

AstraZeneca’s new lower supply target hinges on the bloc’s drug regulator approving supplies from a factory in the Netherlands, an internal document showed, Reuters reported on Saturday.

That’s one part they need to fix pronto. Halix are approved to supply the UK, but not the EU even though they are in the EU...crazy!

[Zoo Music Girl]

1 minute ago, efcfanwirral said:

Won't make a difference with their majority though- its almost like there's no point in politics til 2024 (or should we say 2028)  

Ugh that's depressing. I do think it's good to see Labour do the right thing, though. Will all Tories vote for it? Surely some of them are a bit queasy on this stuff?

[Crazyfool01]

ok so ive been watching all the protests throughout lockdown with interest and looking at some of the tactics involved in them and the outcomes .... here is the definition of kettling and im debating if it actually fits that description or not .... to me id say no 

Kettling is a verb that in some contexts can refer to the police tactic of surrounding and restricting the movement of a crowd of people, making it harder to escape. The term's origins may be a metaphor describing a kettle about to boil over. ... The noun kettle refers to the area in which the crowd is confined.

the police seemed to be in a line ... maybe they surrounded the bandstand at one point  although that isnt clear from the video ... ive been nervous about all the protests throughout and do wonder if they have been responsible for transmission .

However when looking at this vigil it needed to be understood why it was happening and if the police were there to ensure public safety that needed to be the result .... and on viewing it it looks like the police achieved absolutely nothing apart from angering a very large crowd and causing distancing to become more of an issue by inflating the numbers and at various points surging into crowds ...  it was always going to happen with the emotions running as they are  and the best way would be to have an educating presence as they seemed to have in the early stages .... cases are coming down rapidly so hopefully last night caused no issues covid wise 

 

[steviewevie]

3 minutes ago, efcfanwirral said:

Won't make a difference with their majority though- its almost like there's no point in politics til 2024 (or should we say 2028)  

plenty of libertarian tory mps who may abstain or even vote against....

[gooner1990]

23 minutes ago, Matt42 said:

Our Covid numbers are plummeting, and the police have turned a blind eye / abstained from much larger protests without the need for getting aggressive.

A group of women all wearing masks literally sat with a candle and the police choose to be aggressive.

I think the met need better training.

 

 

 

[Crazyfool01]

14 minutes ago, steviewevie said:

oh no they wouldn't.

they have been criticised for the handling of the black lives matter protests in Bristol .... in an internet connected world criticism will always come from somewhere 

[steviewevie]

1 minute ago, gooner1990 said:

 

 

 

yeah, fuck the police.

[Guest]

14 minutes ago, Zoo Music Girl said:

Ugh that's depressing. I do think it's good to see Labour do the right thing, though. Will all Tories vote for it? Surely some of them are a bit queasy on this stuff?

Absolutely, it’s really good to see Labour taking a stand against this type of bill. It’ll go through but in time they’ll be able to say they stood against it. 

Edited March 14, 2021 by Ozanne

[steviewevie]

1 minute ago, crazyfool1 said:

they have been criticised for the handling of the black lives matter protests in Bristol .... in an internet connected world criticism will always come from somewhere 

yeah, but it's not the same as how they are getting criticised this morning...people are calling for the head of the met to quit. All I remember from bristol is people getting their knickers in a twist about some statue of a slave trader being chucked in the harbour.

[steviewevie]

I went on that black lives matter march in Manchester last summer, and I didn't see any police...I mean I'm sure they were there in some form, but they weren't visible. And the whole thing went off very peacefully. (waiting for someone to find evidence of trouble now).