When will this shit end?

[xxialac]

1 minute ago, zahidf said:

 

Yep, I think a holiday break in Greece will be an option no later than 31 May.

[Toilet Duck]

9 minutes ago, Fuzzy Afro said:

@Toilet Duck- I’m two weeks post-Pfizer today and my employer’s health insurance is offering us free antibody tests in a couple of weeks. Is it worth taking the test to see if it worked? 

Sure, why not! I’m pretty sure it will have worked though!

[Hannibal Schmitt]

41 minutes ago, Matt42 said:

Sorry if I’ve missed some news. Can someone explain to me why mainland Europe’s rollout of the vaccine is painfully slow?

Germany I think have only vaccinated 120,000 people so far. We are on 17m.

This will be quite telling I think when it comes to this summer. I can see us having restrictions lifted in the summer but not one can go anywhere (unless they are willing to pay up the near £2,000 quarantine hotel price).

That`s simple. Governments claim the EU. They say the EU was right, because they wanted to make sure the approval in that way and at that time was the right decision. But the supply issues and the long wait were negative aspects. So, they can only vaccinate as fast as they get the vaccines. Vaccination plans were also chaotic and far better in the UK. On the other hand things will fasten up soon and they make great pressure on future vaccine approvals - like the J&J - our government told yesterday that they won`t tolerate any wait on the J&J and expect to get approved by EMA in march. But by summer most people here should get a vaccine.

[Mellotr0n]

21 minutes ago, xxialac said:

I don't think that's the case at all.

Worse case scenario, wanting to go to e.g. Greece will involve having to take a test and quarantine at home. Quarantine hotels will be largely scrapped and probably scrapped altogether.

More likely those who have been vaccinated will be able to travel freely to low risk countries.

It's totally understandable after how this last year has gone, but I genuinely think - if the transmission data bears out, as it seems to be doing - a lot of people aren't prepared for quite how dramatically better things are going to be within 3-4 months.

[xxialac]

20 minutes ago, Hannibal Schmitt said:

That`s simple. Governments claim the EU. They say the EU was right, because they wanted to make sure the approval in that way and at that time was the right decision. But the supply issues and the long wait were negative aspects. So, they can only vaccinate as fast as they get the vaccines. Vaccination plans were also chaotic and far better in the UK. On the other hand things will fasten up soon and they make great pressure on future vaccine approvals - like the J&J - our government told yesterday that they won`t tolerate any wait on the J&J and expect to get approved by EMA in march. But by summer most people here should get a vaccine.

Yes to all of this.

The EU countries will always be playing catch up but once they get over this supply bottleneck, they will be just fine. The weather is improving, cases are dropping, deaths are falling. They're about to dramatically increase vax rates post March. 

I don't predict when we look back in a couple of years the poor vaccine EU rollout will have done much health or economic damage to EU countries, whereas the poor general response from both all EU countries and the UK certainly has done.

Edited February 19, 2021 by xxialac

[Guest]

1 minute ago, xxialac said:

Yes to all of this.

The EU countries will always be playing catch up but once they get over this supply bottleneck, they will be just fine. The weather is improving, cases are dropping, deaths are falling. They're about to dramatically increased vax rates post March. 

I don't predict when we look back in a couple of years the poor vaccine EU rollout will have done much health or economic damage to EU countries, whereas the poor general response from both all EU countries and the UK certainly has done.

Yeah I agree, especially with the last part. The effects of the general response as you say will be felt for a long time to come sadly. 

[efcfanwirral]

1 hour ago, JoeyT said:

 

The "wash your hands and it'll be fine" manipulation is one of the worst things I've seen governments do. Blatant lies to make sure people go out and keep spending, without giving those who are vulnerable a chance to protect themselves

It was so obvious to anyone with any critical thinking abilities that you could catch it from other people but somehow they managed to convince everyone that you couldn't for a lot longer than I thought possible. Quite scary how compliant and unquestioning the majority were on that really 

[zahidf]

 

[efcfanwirral]

 

[Punksnotdead]

45 minutes ago, Leyrulion said:

On the vaccine side effects-the information you get trained on for Pfizer is

A)80% have pain at the injection site. With swelling and redness also reported, it resolves after a few days and within 7.

B)systemic reactions are less but make up the following- 60% report tiredness, 50% headache, 30% muscle ache, chills 30%, joint pain 20%, raised temperature 10%

 

There's nothing in the official literature about who gets them or an ability to predict who gets severe reactions. So treat anything you see online about that with caution.

 

 

I had my first Pfizer jab on Wednesday night & have had a banging headache since. Also sore arm & tiredness.

Still glad I had it though. 🙂

[PM87]

19 minutes ago, Mellotr0n said:

It's totally understandable after how this last year has gone, but I genuinely think - if the transmission data bears out, as it seems to be doing - a lot of people aren't prepared for quite how dramatically better things are going to be within 3-4 months.

I hope so. The mental health of many of my friends and family has taken a nosedive in this lockdown. It feels like such a struggle right now. I just cannot wait for the clocks to change and for us to have more freedom over the spring and summer. Even just to sit with friends in a park will be a blessing. 

[Fuzzy Afro]

5 minutes ago, efcfanwirral said:

 

I’m convinced this has become an ideological thing now. Even the previous doomer-in-chief Professor Ferguson is saying that the UK will be almost back to normal by the end of May given the data we are seeing on vaccine transmission, and then you’ve got devolved politicians coming out with tripe like this. 

[fraybentos1]

1 minute ago, efcfanwirral said:

 

So even though at some point this year, every adult who wants a vaccine will have had one we still can't get back to normal? Fs

Also Nigerian variant eh, not heard of that one... 

[efcfanwirral]

3 minutes ago, Fuzzy Afro said:

I’m convinced this has become an ideological thing now. Even the previous doomer-in-chief Professor Ferguson is saying that the UK will be almost back to normal by the end of May given the data we are seeing on vaccine transmission, and then you’ve got devolved politicians coming out with tripe like this. 

 

3 minutes ago, fraybentos1 said:

So even though at some point this year, every adult who wants a vaccine will have had one we still can't get back to normal? Fs

Also Nigerian variant eh, not heard of that one... 

I mean whatever their reasons, we have actual leaders of countries telling us what's going to happen and we'll only believe it when it happens...

Boris will lie with his roadmap to keep spirits up 

Edited February 19, 2021 by efcfanwirral

[steviewevie]

It actually will be weird coming out of lockdown, and feeling ok going into crowded places again, shaking hands, hugs etc.

[Chapple12345]

29 minutes ago, Mellotr0n said:

It's totally understandable after how this last year has gone, but I genuinely think - if the transmission data bears out, as it seems to be doing - a lot of people aren't prepared for quite how dramatically better things are going to be within 3-4 months.

I'm not 100% on this view yet but I'm becoming increasingly optimistic that come late spring/early summer it will be a totally different ball game, not complete normality but certainly massively better than last summer was 

[zahidf]

3 minutes ago, fraybentos1 said:

So even though at some point this year, every adult who wants a vaccine will have had one we still can't get back to normal? Fs

Also Nigerian variant eh, not heard of that one... 

Exactly. The doomsters can get in the bin. 

[steviewevie]

Nigerian variant.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-56082573

[Fuzzy Afro]

Quite enjoying the current glow up from Matt Hancock from previous doomer to now the main voice in the cabinet for lifting restrictions. DEFINITELY doesn’t seem like he’s trying to curry favour with the CRG before the next leadership contest 

[Mellotr0n]

Just now, Fuzzy Afro said:

Quite enjoying the current glow up from Matt Hancock from previous doomer to now the main voice in the cabinet for lifting restrictions. DEFINITELY doesn’t seem like he’s trying to curry favour with the CRG before the next leadership contest 

Orrr he's recently seen the very, very encouraging news re: vaccines cutting transmissions in the last few days?

[steviewevie]

For all you Fake Sage fans.

 

[eFestivals]

Just now, steviewevie said:

For all you Fake Sage fans.

 

hadn't realised Prof Alice was now into epidemiology. 😛 

[stuartbert two hats]

3 minutes ago, Fuzzy Afro said:

Quite enjoying the current glow up from Matt Hancock from previous doomer to now the main voice in the cabinet for lifting restrictions. DEFINITELY doesn’t seem like he’s trying to curry favour with the CRG before the next leadership contest 

As much as he looks like a little boy, stands too close to women, has ridiculous over-reactions to being criticised and is the shittest actor known to man - he seems to have been on the right side of history whenever these "behind the scenes" arguments have been leaked.

If the health secretary thinks it's all going to blow over sooner rather than later, I'm feeling quite optimistic. I'm sure he has a lot more information than we do, especially relating to vaccine rollout.

[Zoo Music Girl]

1 hour ago, Toilet Duck said:

 

To be honest, I’d be speculating!! A lot of the symptoms you get from any infection are your immune system/your body reacting to it. The fever is your body trying to kill the infection with heat (most living things have a narrow temperature window they can survive in), the headaches are your blood vessels widening to allow more blood flow to the infected site, swelling is your blood vessels leaking to let immune cells out of circulation and into the infected site and so on...so, your immune system is primed by prior infection, or the first shot, and the immune response is always stronger on re-exposure (assuming you still have immunological memory). Whether that has any correlation with how you would have fared upon actual infection is another matter. It doesn’t seem to be the strength of the immune response that’s important in individuals that do poorly when they catch the virus (in fact it’s over activity of the inflammatory response that is doing a lot of the damage), but the specificity of it...all the immune action is wasted because the antibodies and t-cells only weakly recognise the virus or virus/infected cells, so it doesn’t clear it very well and you get this chronic inflammation in the lungs. So, still early days in trying to figure all this out! 

Thanks, informative as ever! 

[gigpusher]

24 minutes ago, PM87 said:

I hope so. The mental health of many of my friends and family has taken a nosedive in this lockdown. It feels like such a struggle right now. I just cannot wait for the clocks to change and for us to have more freedom over the spring and summer. Even just to sit with friends in a park will be a blessing. 

Yes this. It also feels a little like people have compassion fatigue because there has been so much bad news. My brother died of his cancer last week and apart from the sorry for your loss messages on Facebook only a few friends have actually been checking in on me. It feels like the mental health crisis part of this could be the thing we suffer with the longest because so many people have lost people or had bad things happen during this time and not getting the kind of support you would get in normal times.