When will this shit end?

[Chapple12345]

2 minutes ago, steviewevie said:

 

Fergus has been incredible this whole time, telling the stories we need to hear and dealing with it in a professional and thoughtful manner, his pieces from ICU and the vaccine trials have been essential viewing for me 

[steviewevie]

London will be overwhelmed by covid in a fortnight says leaked NHS England briefing

https://www.hsj.co.uk/acute-care/exclusive-london-will-be-overwhelmed-by-covid-in-a-fortnight-says-leaked-nhs-england-briefing/7029264.article

 

[steviewevie]

1 minute ago, Chapple12345 said:

Fergus has been incredible this whole time, telling the stories we need to hear and dealing with it in a professional and thoughtful manner, his pieces from ICU and the vaccine trials have been essential viewing for me 

yeah, he is good. 

[xxialac]

9 minutes ago, steviewevie said:

 

Excellent report.

How can the outspoken lockdown deniers possibly watch that and not feel ashamed? 

[Losing my hair]

Just now, xxialac said:

Excellent report.

How can the outspoken lockdown deniers possibly watch that and not feel ashamed? 

Because they are ignorant and self centered. 

[RobertProsineckisLighter]

@Toilet Duck Sorry for the direct question but I don't know anyone else who may know the answer and it's just sort of popped into my head.

If I tested positive today is there any benefit to vaccinating me after testing positive would it give my body a helping hand in the battle with Covid? Or at this point is it too late. 

I guess the question is really is a vaccine not also a treatment? If not why not? I'm assuming it doesn't work like they just wondered why. 

 

 

Edited January 6, 2021 by RobertProsineckisLighter

[Suprefan]

 

 

[xxialac]

4 minutes ago, RobertProsineckisLighter said:

@Toilet Duck Sorry for the direct question but I don't know anyone else who may know the answer. 

If I tested positive today is there any benefit to vaccinating me after testing positive would it give my body a helping hand in the battle with Covid? Or at this point is it too late. 

I guess the question is really is a vaccine not also a treatment? If not why not? I'm assuming it doesn't work like they just wondered why. 

 

 

I don't have 1% of his knowledge but you certainly can't get a vaccine as a cure or treatment. It's preventative only and gives you the antibodies to fight off future infections.

And of course surely you in any case wouldn't be able to get a vaccine (unless you are over 80).

[jparx]

7 minutes ago, xxialac said:

Excellent report.

How can the outspoken lockdown deniers possibly watch that and not feel ashamed? 

Because it’s on the leftist BBC and probably using actors.

Reports like that don’t speak to them because they probably don’t watch the BBC and if they do they’re convinced the BBC is fake news. It’s a battle against people who deny facts and won’t engage with you in a serious discussion.

[stuartbert two hats]

34 minutes ago, dotdash79 said:

It becomes both according to the people on redit

Course it does.

[stuartbert two hats]

25 minutes ago, steviewevie said:

Not slowing down yet.

[xxialac]

2 hours ago, xxialac said:

 

[Gilgamesh69]

So is this thread gonna reach 3000 pages?

[Guest]

 

 

[steviewevie]

2 minutes ago, Gilgamesh69 said:

So is this thread gonna reach 3000 pages?

probably by the weekend.

[Toilet Duck]

18 minutes ago, RobertProsineckisLighter said:

@Toilet Duck Sorry for the direct question but I don't know anyone else who may know the answer and it's just sort of popped into my head.

If I tested positive today is there any benefit to vaccinating me after testing positive would it give my body a helping hand in the battle with Covid? Or at this point is it too late. 

I guess the question is really is a vaccine not also a treatment? If not why not? I'm assuming it doesn't work like they just wondered why. 

 

 

Howdy, the exposure you already have to the spike protein would be stimulating your immune system, so adding in further stimulus wouldn’t make much difference. The virus replicating would actually make more spike than the short lived vaccine. Topping up your antibodies with the new antibody treatments on the other hand would be beneficial and instead of using them later in the disease to try to help those severely ill, it now looks like the best time to get them is before you reach that stage (possibly the same for interferon). Anti-inflammatory drugs look better at the later stage as runaway inflammation is what is causing the damage. So, what the vaccine does is prime your immune system so that it can clobber and virus that comes along at a later point, but it takes a few days after we get infected/vaccinated for us to start making antibodies the first time, second exposure is much quicker as the cells that make them are already there. Later on after you’ve been infected, it’s still beneficial to get vaccinated as it will boost your immunity and hopefully make it last longer. 

[PolygonWindow]

3 minutes ago, Gilgamesh69 said:

So is this thread gonna reach 3000 pages?

and the rest i reckon

[Mr.Tease]

 

[xxialac]

2 minutes ago, PolygonWindow said:

and the rest i reckon

This R rate for this thread is between 1.3 and 1.5 with a growth rate of between 1-4%.

[xxialac]

 

[stuartbert two hats]

12 hours ago, Chef said:

Is this what you are after?

 

EDIT; sorry just noticed this is % testing positive, not actual numbers so maybe not. 

 

 

 

I waited to get more upvotes!

[RobertProsineckisLighter]

2 minutes ago, Toilet Duck said:

Howdy, the exposure you already have to the spike protein would be stimulating your immune system, so adding in further stimulus wouldn’t make much difference. The virus replicating would actually make more spike than the short lived vaccine. Topping up your antibodies with the new antibody treatments on the other hand would be beneficial and instead of using them later in the disease to try to help those severely ill, it now looks like the best time to get them is before you reach that stage (possibly the same for interferon). Anti-inflammatory drugs look better at the later stage as runaway inflammation is what is causing the damage. So, what the vaccine does is prime your immune system so that it can clobber and virus that comes along at a later point, but it takes a few days after we get infected/vaccinated for us to start making antibodies the first time, second exposure is much quicker as the cells that make them are already there. Later on after you’ve been infected, it’s still beneficial to get vaccinated as it will boost your immunity and hopefully make it last longer. 

Ok I get it I think. I guess my simpleton thinking is that if the body thought more Covid was arriving (the injection) it would fight back harder but given that the injection isn't going to do any harm it's like reinforcements to fight the real Covid. 

If that's the case if you vaccinate someone who already has Covid does the vaccine just trigger the existing immune response effectively acting a reminder? A bit like machine learning?

So forgive my ignore but 

- if I catch Covid my body has to learn to fight it. 

- if I have the vaccine my body learns to fight it but effectivly against a dummy virus. Like the army training with blank rounds I guess? 

- if my body has learnt to fight it once either real Covid or vaccine Covid and I get it again it should already rememebr what to do.  (The second jabs purpose being to cement the bodies learning) 

[philipsteak]

6 minutes ago, xxialac said:

 

 

It's been quite the year, eh?

(not even a week in yet)

[xxialac]

Just now, philipsteak said:

 

It's been quite the year, eh?

(not even a week in yet)

We are now deep in the twilight zone.

[Toilet Duck]

6 minutes ago, RobertProsineckisLighter said:

So forgive my ignore but 

- if I catch Covid my body has to learn to fight it. 

- if I have the vaccine my body learns to fight it but effectivly against a dummy virus. Like the army training with blank rounds I guess? 

- if my body has learnt to fight it once either real Covid or vaccine Covid and I get it again it should already rememebr what to do.  (The second jabs purpose being to cement the bodies learning) 

Exactly!