Wooderson Posted December 17, 2018 Report Share Posted December 17, 2018 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PorkSoda Posted December 17, 2018 Report Share Posted December 17, 2018 4 hours ago, Woffy said: This is wonderful Stu. Excellent work. This is why I always carry a book at all times. I always feel you look less of a loner reading a book in a pub - almost as if it conveys a conscious decision to be having a few beers alone - than if you’re just looking at your phone. The Philip Norman book very clearly shows him as incredibly ambitious and determined, controlling even - compared to John who was arguably quite lazy when not compelled to be doing something - and on occasion quite ruthless at times (Epstein ‘clearing up’ more than one paternity claim in Hamburg for example). I doubt you get to be that successful without being a little bit like that. But it doesn’t mean you can’t also be genuinely nice too. He probably took more interest in a young Julian than John did. And adopted one of Linda’s kids IIRC. This is what also personally fascinates me about the Beatles. They’re ‘just a band’ but we can ‘study’ them - and disagree about them - to the same historical, intellectual degree you would, say, a famous dictator or a country or a significant battle in antiquity. The story is as incredible as the music. I was thinking of having a bit of a read up on tbe history. Know bits and bobs - any suggestions from anyone on tbe best book? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gnomicide Posted December 17, 2018 Report Share Posted December 17, 2018 On 12/14/2018 at 4:44 PM, mike99 said: So it's looking like a Sunday/Monday announcement Tick tock. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woffy Posted December 17, 2018 Report Share Posted December 17, 2018 8 minutes ago, PorkSoda said: I was thinking of having a bit of a read up on tbe history. Know bits and bobs - any suggestions from anyone on tbe best book? Christ. Where to start?! Thats a really tough question (for me). There’s SO many. What kinda thing interests you most? - a particular era: their youth, Hamburg, Sgt Pepper, etc - the actual recording processes? - straight up biogs? - stuff written at the time, to get that in the moment sense? There will be people here who can probably do you a decent list. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Avalon_Fields Posted December 17, 2018 Report Share Posted December 17, 2018 7 hours ago, Hugh Jass said: I never criticise other people's choices and staunchly believe people should enjoy the festival however they see fit, but missing Macca to see Ocean Colour Scene??? Christ. I know. I hang my head in shame. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wooderson Posted December 17, 2018 Report Share Posted December 17, 2018 1. Rev in the Head (critical analysis) 2. Tune In (first chapter in what will price to be the definitive text) 3. You Never Give Me Your Money (where did it go wrong) 4. Dreaming The Beatles (gorgeous enlightening recent book) 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wooderson Posted December 17, 2018 Report Share Posted December 17, 2018 Ian MacD’s “Fabled Foursome, Disappearing Decade” essay is utterly essential. I was wide and misty eyed going thru it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Real HJ Posted December 17, 2018 Report Share Posted December 17, 2018 Where should I start with Paul's solo stuff? I LOVE the Beatles but I don't know where to go from here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
priest17 Posted December 17, 2018 Report Share Posted December 17, 2018 5 minutes ago, The Real HJ said: Where should I start with Paul's solo stuff? I LOVE the Beatles but I don't know where to go from here. Wings - Band On The Run. Classic album. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chatty Posted December 17, 2018 Report Share Posted December 17, 2018 6 minutes ago, The Real HJ said: Where should I start with Paul's solo stuff? I LOVE the Beatles but I don't know where to go from here. Blast the new one tbh, it's decent and he'll prob play a few songs of it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wooderson Posted December 17, 2018 Report Share Posted December 17, 2018 14 minutes ago, The Real HJ said: Where should I start with Paul's solo stuff? I LOVE the Beatles but I don't know where to go from here. Ram obvz. It’s a masterpiece. The first indie-rock record. C&C, Tug, Flaming all faves of mine also. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quark Posted December 17, 2018 Report Share Posted December 17, 2018 27 minutes ago, chatty said: Blast the new one tbh, it's decent and he'll prob play a few songs of it. I've given it a few runs, and while it's not bad it's really not exciting me either. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
henry bear Posted December 17, 2018 Report Share Posted December 17, 2018 1 hour ago, PorkSoda said: I was thinking of having a bit of a read up on tbe history. Know bits and bobs - any suggestions from anyone on tbe best book? Best one I’ve read is Ian MacDonald’s ‘Revolution In The Head’. Essential reading. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
strummer77 Posted December 17, 2018 Report Share Posted December 17, 2018 1 hour ago, Wooderson said: 2. Tune In (first chapter in what will price to be the definitive text Second this refommendation Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Nal Posted December 18, 2018 Report Share Posted December 18, 2018 (edited) 12 hours ago, henry bear said: Best one I’ve read is Ian MacDonald’s ‘Revolution In The Head’. Essential reading. Its incredible but a good bit of fake news in there though unfortunately according to Macca. Aside from those already mentioned: Many Years From Now by Barry Miles. Magical Mystery Tours My Life with the Beatles by Tony Bramwell John by Cynthia Lennon Revolution: The Making of The Beatles White Album by David Quantick. Edited December 18, 2018 by The Nal Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yokel Again Posted December 18, 2018 Report Share Posted December 18, 2018 Another vote for Ian MacDonald’s ‘Revolution In The Head’. Just about my favourite book. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stuartbert two hats Posted December 18, 2018 Report Share Posted December 18, 2018 And if you're interested in the making of the mythos of the band, you've got to include the Hunter Davies book, originally from 1968 (but updated several times since) - The Beatles: The Authorised Biography . Whilst not the best biography, it's such an early writeup of the band, it's fed into pretty much every book on them since. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yokel Again Posted December 18, 2018 Report Share Posted December 18, 2018 The Hunter Davies book is OK, if you consider when it was written etc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stuartbert two hats Posted December 18, 2018 Report Share Posted December 18, 2018 1 minute ago, Yokel Again said: The Hunter Davies book is OK, if you consider when it was written etc. Yeah, it's a historical artefact more than an overview of their career. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PorkSoda Posted December 18, 2018 Report Share Posted December 18, 2018 Wow, thanks all for the responses. Think I'll start with revolution in the head and see where that takes me. Do I dare ask about documentaries? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RaphPH Posted December 18, 2018 Report Share Posted December 18, 2018 Fascinating how many people love Revolution In The Head despite McCartney saying it's nonsense.... Many Years From Now and You Never Gave Me Your Money are great books... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bennykill Posted December 18, 2018 Report Share Posted December 18, 2018 21 hours ago, stuartbert two hats said: Ah bollocks, been called on my bullshit. Turns out "complicated" = "not very well thought through". It goes something like this: 1 John is equivalent to 1 Paul. 1 George is equivalent to 0.5 John or Paul equivalents (JPEs) 1 Ringo is equivalent to 0.5 George, so Ringo = 0.25 JPEs So we get 1 + 1 +0.5 +0.25 = 2.75 JPEs in the band. Then you divide 1 by 2.75 to get the decimal contribution of Paul McCartney (and John Lennon) at .36 recurring, which turns out is pretty close to 1/3, but that was a guess. Ringo is .09 recurring. George is .1818 recurring. I'm sure there is a nicer fractional way of expressing these values. Pablo Honey I would have to give George a higher mark as in my opinion he was the only one who went on to do something good after the Beatles (Thomas the Tank Engine being the exception to the rule) I don't really like McCartney's stuff after the Beatles, but there wont be many chances to see a living Beatle remaining. so fingers crossed for a Glastonbury performance. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Nal Posted December 18, 2018 Report Share Posted December 18, 2018 19 minutes ago, PorkSoda said: Wow, thanks all for the responses. Think I'll start with revolution in the head and see where that takes me. Do I dare ask about documentaries? The Anthology. And this is quite dated but the Compleat Beatles is excellent 10 minutes ago, RaphPH said: Fascinating how many people love Revolution In The Head despite McCartney saying it's nonsense.... He really only said some of the assumptions about songs he wrote in response to Lennon songs etc were nonsense but stopped short of going any further because McDonald was dead. Casts huge doubts over the rest of the book though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RaphPH Posted December 18, 2018 Report Share Posted December 18, 2018 2 minutes ago, The Nal said: The Anthology. And this is quite dated but the Compleat Beatles is excellent He really only said some of the assumptions about songs he wrote in response to Lennon songs etc were nonsense but stopped short of going any further because McDonald was dead. Casts huge doubts over the rest of the book though. Yeah I remember him getting a bit annoyed about it... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
henry bear Posted December 18, 2018 Report Share Posted December 18, 2018 55 minutes ago, PorkSoda said: Wow, thanks all for the responses. Think I'll start with revolution in the head and see where that takes me. Do I dare ask about documentaries? Ron Howard’s documentary on their touring years, The Beatles: Eight Days A Week is on C4 on Christmas Day. The Beatles own Anthology DVD box set is possibly the best thing to watch though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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