Kneecap

[CaledonianGonzo]

10 minutes ago, lazyred said:

I'd say they have. Certainly refusing to condemn awful acts oif terrorism and hinting at jewish conspiracies to shut down kneecap.

 

 

This is the most inflammatory post on this thread so far.  Can you please point to specific examples.

 

12 minutes ago, lazyred said:

The people who'd like to cancel radiohead are giving kneecap a free pass. 

 

These are two (related) but entirely different debates.

 

[Colorblindjames]

6 minutes ago, lazyred said:

It doesn't. It discusses previous similar cases and ends with:

One thing invariably holds true though: politicians who attack musicians come off as opportunistic, authoritarian and often foolish in their thirst for soft targets. Ban this sick stunt.

Sorry but unless I missed it the article makes no mention of the MP support for genocide. It also mentions the board of deputies as though this was a credible organisation. Their former Board President, Lionel Kopelowitz, called for the murder of Jeremy Corbyn MP.

 

 

[deepkittycaz]

50 minutes ago, zahidf said:

According to the 2 promoters podcast, 2000 trees are getting death threats for having kneecap playing. It must be the same for wide awake/glasto e.t.c

Insane. James and the rest of the team really don't need that

[CaledonianGonzo]

11 minutes ago, Nicklord said:

With that said, I'm very disappointed by people here trying so hard to defend Kneecap over their Hamas/Hezbollah comments and support. Some people almost said they're actually good guys. No, Hamas or Hezbollah shouldn't be supported. You shouldn't try to defend people who celebrate them. Don't try to make the case that people like the guys from Kneecap, who support groups that kill hundreds at a music festival, are somehow good guys. No, they're not. They're garbage human beings for doing that.

 

If that's your takeaway from the previous 20 pages of discussion that can't be helped.  But I'd suggest you've not followed the debate particularly well.

[clarkete]

15 minutes ago, Nicklord said:

I want to say that there is a genocide happening in Gaza right now, committed by Israel and its army. I also think Kneecap shouldn't get cancelled. And yes, governments across the globe aren't doing enough to prevent Israel from committing war crimes. Yes, they should be held responsible as well. No, Kneecap shouldn't "suffer" more than them.

 

With that said, I'm very disappointed by people here trying so hard to defend Kneecap over their Hamas/Hezbollah comments and support. Some people almost said they're actually good guys. No, Hamas or Hezbollah shouldn't be supported. You shouldn't try to defend people who celebrate them. Don't try to make the case that people like the guys from Kneecap, who support groups that kill hundreds at a music festival, are somehow good guys. No, they're not. They're garbage human beings for doing that.

 

 

If you think that event was the start of this awful period, then I'm afraid you've got a lot of reading to do. 

 

I'm sure others will have better links https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_Israeli–Palestinian_conflict

[kaosmark2]

14 minutes ago, CaledonianGonzo said:

 

This is the most inflammatory post on this thread so far. 

Just to say, that's partially because we've been hiding some very silly posts. It's still only about ~30 out of nearly 600, but unfortunately we're reading some idiocy here.

 

Once again though, kudos to everyone for it staying that small a proportion on such an emotive topic.

[Olshansky]

1 hour ago, zahidf said:

According to the 2 promoters podcast, 2000 trees are getting death threats for having kneecap playing. It must be the same for wide awake/glasto e.t.c

 

the irony is unbelievable 

[steviewevie]

1 hour ago, CaledonianGonzo said:

 

Yeah - not sure I agree with his conclusion that "their defenders have transformed into free-speech absolutists".

 

I don't think anyone on this thread has been taking that perspective.

erm...they kind of have, because I've argued against it.

[steviewevie]

1 hour ago, TheDayman said:

They might not have lived through the Troubles, but they grew up in the aftermath - in a West Belfast that was still shaped by surveillance, mistrust, and inequality. The guns may have been put down, but the legacy didn’t end in 1998.

And to your point about looking forward, I think that's exactly what they're doing. But they shouldn't be expected to ignore the environment in which they grew up; one that shaped who they are and ultimately how they express themselves.

And let's not forget - their whole shtick is political satire.

or they're just mythologising and romanticising something they didn't actually live through bit like old people (and not so old people) do about WW2.

 

But I guess if it's all just satire then not sure what the fuss is all about.

[steviewevie]

and that Guardian article is very centrist, in that it doesn't really fully condemn or condone...nice fudgy middle ground which is where I like to wallow...but obviously if you want the clicks and likes you must take a side. 

[CaledonianGonzo]

2 minutes ago, steviewevie said:

erm...they kind of have, because I've argued against it.

 

Hmmm - admittedly it's possible that skip or someone may have been said something along those lines at one point.  But it's been far from a majority take. 

 

Personally, I was taking the piss out of Toby Young.

[Mish1268]

We have all witnessed Glastonbury Festival become a national, global phenomenon providing exposure of Britain as still a major heavyweight in the world when it comes to the power and celebration of music. I am sure many of us are proud of that, same as I am proud of the Beatles, the BBC for example.  The flip side is the responsibility that comes with that exposure. I don't know if Kneecap's slot should be cancelled.  What I do know is, these are the modern day challenges faced by the festival which really weren't as stark during previous years when other bands made comments which on the whole, went unnoticed by establishment, media etc. Not easy

[ceegee]

3 hours ago, doogie said:

 

Even if that's the case, it's in extremely bad taste for those of us who lived with the perpetual threat of IRA terrorism for many years

 

Strange how many in the UK see a balaclava and assume IRA rather than the UFF/UDA/LVF/UVF etc.

Not the mention the British army members who wore one for their extracurricular activities.

 

 

 

 

 

[tigger123]

3 hours ago, doogie said:

 

Even if that's the case, it's in extremely bad taste for those of us who lived with the perpetual threat of IRA terrorism for many years

A lot of people wear balaclavas, including by the looks of it the IDF

 

 

Edited May 1, 2025 by tigger123

[steviewevie]

11 minutes ago, ceegee said:

 

Strange how many in the UK see a balaclava and assume IRA rather than the UFF/UDA/LVF/UVF etc.

Not the mention the British army members who wore one for their extracurricular activities.

 

 

 

 

 

Or people that have cold heads.

 

But...at the same time...come on, why is he wearing the balaclava, because he's not as young and good looking as the other two?

[Skip997]

4 hours ago, steviewevie said:

Yeah maybe...I'm sure to some Al Queda and ISIS are also freedom fighters....but in this country IRA and Hamas/Hezbollah are proscribed terrorist groups, and support for them is illegal.

Thanks 😂

 

Anyway I neither accept the definition of terrorism or accept the proscription based on politics 

[Skip997]

3 hours ago, doogie said:

 

Even if that's the case, it's in extremely bad taste for those of us who lived with the perpetual threat of IRA terrorism for many years

I not only lived with it. I directly suffered from it and have no issue with Kneecap or what they wear 

[steviewevie]

12 minutes ago, Skip997 said:

Thanks 😂

 

Anyway I neither accept the definition of terrorism or accept the proscription based on politics 

Thanks for what?

[CaledonianGonzo]

24 minutes ago, steviewevie said:

Or people that have cold heads.

 

But...at the same time...come on, why is he wearing the balaclava, because he's not as young and good looking as the other two?

 

The movie, whilst clearly heavily fictionalised, goes into this.

 

I believe that the DJ Provai thing is largely true.

[ceegee]

19 minutes ago, steviewevie said:

Or people that have cold heads.

 

But...at the same time...come on, why is he wearing the balaclava, because he's not as young and good looking as the other two?

Origin story (true or embellished) is because he was still working as a teacher when they started. 

Why he wears it now? Because it's their gimmick. 

[strummer77]

44 minutes ago, Mish1268 said:

We have all witnessed Glastonbury Festival become a national, global phenomenon providing exposure of Britain as still a major heavyweight in the world when it comes to the power and celebration of music. I am sure many of us are proud of that, same as I am proud of the Beatles, the BBC for example.  The flip side is the responsibility that comes with that exposure. I don't know if Kneecap's slot should be cancelled.  What I do know is, these are the modern day challenges faced by the festival which really weren't as stark during previous years when other bands made comments which on the whole, went unnoticed by establishment, media etc. Not easy

No it is easy. They should not be dictated to by MPs.

[flyingmonkeypigs]

29 minutes ago, steviewevie said:

Or people that have cold heads.

 

But...at the same time...come on, why is he wearing the balaclava, because he's not as young and good looking as the other two?

Initially it was so he couldn't be identified given the nature of Kneecap's music may not have been entirely appropriate for a teacher - now it's kind of stuck (metaphorically, I'm sure he can take it off should he so choose)

[lazyred]

1 hour ago, CaledonianGonzo said:

 

 

This is the most inflammatory post on this thread so far.  Can you please point to specific examples.

 

 

These are two (related) but entirely different debates.

 

Conspiracy post on page 4. I remember other posts speak generally about terrorists/freedoms fighters and what is necessary to oppose oppression. 

 

[Crazyfool01]

shows must go on 

 

 

[Colorblindjames]

1 hour ago, steviewevie said:

Or people that have cold heads.

 

But...at the same time...come on, why is he wearing the balaclava, because he's not as young and good looking as the other two?

Why? Because it boils the piss of people who get annoyed about such trivial things. I suggest getting over it.