When will this shit end?

[steviewevie]

 

[danmarks]

I still genuinley ( and i do mean genuinely not in an argument starting way) don't know what anyone in power would get out of controlling our movements etc as it stands /stood , everything we do pretty much works to their advantage anyway. Not demos and out the ordinary stuff but our leisure fills their pockets our work keeps us busy and subservient. We really are thr proles in 1984. They arent concerned about us.

Happy to be explained to and put right obviously 

[Crazyfool01]

Bit of a jump to 3.2 million vaccines in Uk .... not sure if that is 1st or 2nd Doses though on this 

https://www.howmanyvaccinated.com/united kingdom

 

[Mr.Tease]

2 hours ago, zahidf said:

Chinese vaccine has 60% effacay 

https://www.reuters.com/article/health-coronavirus-brazil-sinovac/sinovacs-vaccine-general-efficacy-less-than-60-in-brazil-trial-report-idUSS0N2II02Z

 

I notice the Chinese vaccine is getting much more derogatory coverage, but 60% is roughly what the Oxford vaccine score in Brazil, wasn’t it? Is the Chinese vaccine really a duffer or is it just anti-Chinese bias?

[efcfanwirral]

 

11 minutes ago, Mr.Tease said:

I notice the Chinese vaccine is getting much more derogatory coverage, but 60% is roughly what the Oxford vaccine score in Brazil, wasn’t it? Is the Chinese vaccine really a duffer or is it just anti-Chinese bias?

People don't believe they could possibly do safety trials properly

I personally believe they dont do them ethically, but I imagine they're a lot more effective than ours...they'll presumably just be infecting people 

Edited January 12, 2021 by efcfanwirral

[steviewevie]

The thing with vaccine passports is they're only useful if vaccine prevents infection, right? And we don't yet know how effective at this they are...

Edited January 12, 2021 by steviewevie

[efcfanwirral]

25 minutes ago, danmarks said:

I still genuinley ( and i do mean genuinely not in an argument starting way) don't know what anyone in power would get out of controlling our movements etc as it stands /stood , everything we do pretty much works to their advantage anyway. Not demos and out the ordinary stuff but our leisure fills their pockets our work keeps us busy and subservient. We really are thr proles in 1984. They arent concerned about us.

Happy to be explained to and put right obviously 

This government no - but its the future that makes it a worry. A socialist/communist revolution for example...

[danmarks]

1 minute ago, steviewevie said:

The thing with vaccine passports is they're only useful of vaccine prevents infection, right? And we don't yet know how effective at this they are...

Nope. If you only let in people vaccinated you have 0 risk.

[efcfanwirral]

1 minute ago, steviewevie said:

The thing with vaccine passports is they're only useful of vaccine prevents infection, right? And we don't yet know how effective at this they are...

Another thing that crossed my mind- if they're needed for travel then what about kids? Does every country just believe they don't transmit it to adults?

[danmarks]

2 minutes ago, efcfanwirral said:

This government no - but its the future that makes it a worry. A socialist/communist revolution for example...

Ahh that makes sense and i'd like to say it would be a big leap to get to that point but it really wouldnt. Just these small incremental changes mostly fuelled by internet but lets hope for the future at least. Thank you btw for answering.

[efcfanwirral]

1 minute ago, danmarks said:

Ahh that makes sense and i'd like to say it would be a big leap to get to that point but it really wouldnt. Just these small incremental changes mostly fuelled by internet but lets hope for the future at least. Thank you btw for answering.

Got a feeling nobody else here would agree with me - luckily I personally think this country is the last that will end up down that road! 

Edited January 12, 2021 by efcfanwirral

[danmarks]

No i totally get that. Im very aware this forum is often full of me at 14-20 but then the internet wasnt a thing. It's amazing how much you (or maybe just me and my mates) change as you age but believe you havent until you're confronted with younger you. Your beliefs dont but your absolute certainties do. 

 Need to put a link to tom Robinson yuppie scum here but no idea how. 

[Losing my hair]

25 minutes ago, steviewevie said:

 

This has been puzzling me for a while. There are roughly 9000 GP practices in the UK, all of which are used to rolling out immunisation programmes. So to vaccinate 2m people a week each practice needs to vaccinate 222 people a week, not beyond the realms of feasibility surely. I accept that using the Pfizer vaccine would have been logistically difficult at individual practices but it seems that CCGs have organised small groups of practices into GP hubs designed to overcome this.

It now seems that we have decided to vaccinate the most vulnerable in places that they will find difficult to access - for example residents of Milton Keynes are being asked to attend the vaccination centre in Stevenage over 30 miles away. If there were unlimited supplies of vaccine then using the centres alongside GP delivery would certainly speed things up, but until then I don't understand why the government just doesn't just let GPs do something they are good at while providing logistical back up.

 

[Deaf Nobby Burton]

3 minutes ago, Losing my hair said:

This has been puzzling me for a while. There are roughly 9000 GP practices in the UK, all of which are used to rolling out immunisation programmes. So to vaccinate 2m people a week each practice needs to vaccinate 222 people a week, not beyond the realms of feasibility surely. I accept that using the Pfizer vaccine would have been logistically difficult at individual practices but it seems that CCGs have organised small groups of practices into GP hubs designed to overcome this.

It now seems that we have decided to vaccinate the most vulnerable in places that they will find difficult to access - for example residents of Milton Keynes are being asked to attend the vaccination centre in Stevenage over 30 miles away. If there were unlimited supplies of vaccine then using the centres alongside GP delivery would certainly speed things up, but until then I don't understand why the government just doesn't just let GPs do something they are good at while providing logistical back up.

 

I’ve literally no idea, but my guess would be that Doctors need to continue to be Doctors, they can’t spend their entire time giving out vaccines as they need to do actual Doctoring. Plus their surgeries are small, so not easy to give vaccines efficiently compared to a very large venue when it won’t matter as much when people turn up etc.

[Ozanne]

https://www.theguardian.com/society/2021/jan/12/hospital-patients-to-be-sent-to-hotels-to-free-up-beds-for-critical-covid-patients?CMP=Share_AndroidApp_Other

Documents seen by the Guardian also reveal that the NHS is asking care homes to start accepting Covid patients directly from hospitals and without a recent negative test, as long as they have been in isolation for 14 days and have shown no new symptoms.

[stuartbert two hats]

13 minutes ago, Losing my hair said:

This has been puzzling me for a while. There are roughly 9000 GP practices in the UK, all of which are used to rolling out immunisation programmes. So to vaccinate 2m people a week each practice needs to vaccinate 222 people a week, not beyond the realms of feasibility surely. I accept that using the Pfizer vaccine would have been logistically difficult at individual practices but it seems that CCGs have organised small groups of practices into GP hubs designed to overcome this.

It now seems that we have decided to vaccinate the most vulnerable in places that they will find difficult to access - for example residents of Milton Keynes are being asked to attend the vaccination centre in Stevenage over 30 miles away. If there were unlimited supplies of vaccine then using the centres alongside GP delivery would certainly speed things up, but until then I don't understand why the government just doesn't just let GPs do something they are good at while providing logistical back up.

 

It did occur to me that if we were already vaccinating over 1000k a day before the 7 amazing new centres opened doing 1000 vaccinations a day, they seem to be contributing a grand total of fuck all in the scheme of things.  Especially when extending the hours at the GPs could be an option.

Edited January 12, 2021 by stuartbert two hats

[Fuzzy Afro]

10 minutes ago, Ozanne said:

https://www.theguardian.com/society/2021/jan/12/hospital-patients-to-be-sent-to-hotels-to-free-up-beds-for-critical-covid-patients?CMP=Share_AndroidApp_Other

Documents seen by the Guardian also reveal that the NHS is asking care homes to start accepting Covid patients directly from hospitals and without a recent negative test, as long as they have been in isolation for 14 days and have shown no new symptoms.

Sounds like a shit idea 

[Losing my hair]

5 minutes ago, Deaf Nobby Burton said:

I’ve literally no idea, but my guess would be that Doctors need to continue to be Doctors, they can’t spend their entire time giving out vaccines as they need to do actual Doctoring. Plus their surgeries are small, so not easy to give vaccines efficiently compared to a very large venue when it won’t matter as much when people turn up etc.

I’ve literally no idea either. Doctors are offering vaccinations though but reportedly can't organise properly because of poor notice of delivery.

My local surgery is small but they are collaborating with a group of other surgeries to use the largest as the centre but it is still within a reasonable travel distance for the patients.

As it is we are now asking the elderly to travel miles to an unfamiliar vaccination centre with in many cases, I imagine, transport offered by a family member who will go all that way and not be eligible for a vaccine.

These vaccination centres have all the hallmarks of a vanity project.

[stuartbert two hats]

Just now, Losing my hair said:

I’ve literally no idea either. Doctors are offering vaccinations though but reportedly can't organise properly because of poor notice of delivery.

My local surgery is small but they are collaborating with a group of other surgeries to use the largest as the centre but it is still within a reasonable travel distance for the patients.

As it is we are now asking the elderly to travel miles to an unfamiliar vaccination centre with in many cases, I imagine, transport offered by a family member who will go all that way and not be eligible for a vaccine.

These vaccination centres have all the hallmarks of a vanity project.

That's not our Prime Minister's style.

[Zoo Music Girl]

13 minutes ago, Ozanne said:

https://www.theguardian.com/society/2021/jan/12/hospital-patients-to-be-sent-to-hotels-to-free-up-beds-for-critical-covid-patients?CMP=Share_AndroidApp_Other

Documents seen by the Guardian also reveal that the NHS is asking care homes to start accepting Covid patients directly from hospitals and without a recent negative test, as long as they have been in isolation for 14 days and have shown no new symptoms.

FFS why can't they just test them? They're testing care home staff regularly aren't they?

It's like they just want to repeat the exact same mistakes again.

[Losing my hair]

3 minutes ago, stuartbert two hats said:

That's not our Prime Minister's style.

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[squirrelarmy]

Just now, Losing my hair said:

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He needs to get himself to a decent bra fitter. 

[Losing my hair]

3 minutes ago, Zoo Music Girl said:

FFS why can't they just test them? They're testing care home staff regularly aren't they?

It's like they just want to repeat the exact same mistakes again.

You would have thought this would be simple enough for a world beating testing system

[Mr.Tease]

The NBA (US basketball) had a lot of success with their bubble a few months ago, and their extensive testing. Unfortunately they then just decided to just go ahead with a non-bubble season and are besieged with players testing positive. However, their extensive testing should be useful in maybe answering some wider Covid questions, or at least raising some possible answers:

 

Multiple NBA players have tested positive for COVID-19 for a second time.

The CDC defines "reinfection" as a person getting infection, recovering and then later becoming infected again. There are ongoing studies about how long immunity might last, but the CDC says it expects some coronavirus reinfections.

While the NBA has announced more than 100 positive tests since last summer, the actual number is believed to be significantly higher.

Several teams have more than 10 players who have tested positive at some point over the past nine months. There is some uncertainty about the number of actual positive tests there were during the NBA's three-month shutdown. 

https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/30698995/multiple-nba-players-test-positive-covid-19-second-sources-say

[Losing my hair]

3 minutes ago, squirrelarmy said:

He needs to get himself to a decent bra fitter. 

https://www.loudersound.com/news/brian-may-launches-sports-bra-adorned-with-guitars