When will this shit end?

[zahidf]

Uh oh

https://www.forbes.com/sites/tommybeer/2021/01/02/large-numbers-of-health-care-and-frontline-workers-are-refusing-covid-19-vaccine/
 

[hillwalker]

14 minutes ago, crazyfool1 said:

The army will have a number to of very highly skilled medics along with those with a basic level of first aid ... wether that is enough people to make any difference to the numbers required for staffing these 24 /7 is highly doubtful 

We have army medics working alongside us at the minute actually to help staff our expanded ITU's. Some of their senior medics are very skilled and still work in the NHS alongside their army commitments. They could easily have helped staff the Nightinglaes if needed but they really were never set up to provide the correct kind of care. The fact they didn't have the facilities to perform a tracheotomy is very telling.  

[zahidf]

VLD calls the UK irresponsible due to its vaccine speed

 

 

Who does she think she is, Boris?

 

 

 

 

Edited February 2, 2021 by zahidf

[eFestivals]

4 minutes ago, xxialac said:

Think there will be big winners and losers and don't think you can have a boom with 99% of the world's population shut out.

you can when normally a huge chunk of the population goes abroad but this year they won't.

 

4 minutes ago, xxialac said:

London hotels for example will die on their arse.

that might be true, but then again there's more than one idea of what a holiday is and hotel availability in the popular holiday spots is going to be booked solid.

[eFestivals]

2 minutes ago, zahidf said:

Uh oh

https://www.forbes.com/sites/tommybeer/2021/01/02/large-numbers-of-health-care-and-frontline-workers-are-refusing-covid-19-vaccine/
 

people's minds will be quickly changed when they can see the effects of vaccination within the stats.

 

[Chef]

 

 

 

[duke88]

9 minutes ago, eFestivals said:

I'm guessing Brum or Surrey, as that's where they've been mostly based since the military hospitals were closed 30-ish years ago.

"Lots" is a feckin' massive over-statement. Their numbers are proportionate to the size of today's very slimmed down military.

Well I meant that they have a bit more expertise than a few people who know how to do a bit of first aid.

I've seen them in Peterborough, but guess they may have been RAF as we have more of those bases around here. They were wearing military gear anyway!

[Fuzzy Afro]

30 minutes ago, xxialac said:

I really don't see now as a 'strict lockdown'. Offices are open unnecessarily. Many schools are open. People wander about freely and drive around.

Last year in Spain and Italy, people weren't allowed to leave their homes.

Offices shouldn’t be open unnecessarily. If they are then the authorities need informed. Schools are only open for those who genuinely really need to be there (Closing them altogether would mean millions of key workers having to take time off work to be with their kids)

 

We are currently under a stay at home order meaning we can only leave for work, food shopping, exercise or for medical reasons. You cannot socialise with anyone outside your household/bubble and if you do meet someone outside, it’s for exercise reasons only and strictly one other adult. That’s less strict than the France/Italy/Spain lockdowns of last spring, but it’s the strictest CURRENT lockdown in Europe and might well be the strictest in the world. 

[steviewevie]

3 minutes ago, Fuzzy Afro said:

Offices shouldn’t be open unnecessarily. If they are then the authorities need informed. Schools are only open for those who genuinely really need to be there (Closing them altogether would mean millions of key workers having to take time off work to be with their kids)

 

We are currently under a stay at home order meaning we can only leave for work, food shopping, exercise or for medical reasons. You cannot socialise with anyone outside your household/bubble and if you do meet someone outside, it’s for exercise reasons only and strictly one other adult. That’s less strict than the France/Italy/Spain lockdowns of last spring, but it’s the strictest CURRENT lockdown in Europe and might well be the strictest in the world. 

I think they will need stricter lockdowns in europe if uk variant starts spreading there significantly.

[squirrelarmy]

Where the army can help and are doing is in the logistics side of things. 
 

Moving supplies, patient transport, setting up testing areas. 

[eFestivals]

1 minute ago, duke88 said:

Well I meant that they have a bit more expertise than a few people who know how to do a bit of first aid.

I've seen them in Peterborough, but guess they may have been RAF as we have more of those bases around here. They were wearing military gear anyway!

When the Cambridge Hospital in Aldershot (I'm pretty sure the main Army Hospital) was being run down for closure (closed in 1996, I've just looked it up) they started moving the Docs and others to work at (NHS) Frimley Park Hospital. That was sometime around 1990. They then (mostly?) moved the Army medics to the big new Birmingham NHS hospital as their main location. I think they might have got spread around bit more since then, probably to the nearest hospital to the various army bases. I noticed on a drive thru Aldershot recently that the Army nurses training place is closed too (no idea when, could be decades).

I guess things are similar for RAF and Navy, but I'm not familiar with them.

Main point is, tho, that the numbers of docs & medics are proportionate to the size of the forces. The forces are waaaay smaller than they were even 10 years ago.

[philipsteak]

21 minutes ago, xxialac said:

Think there will be big winners and losers and don't think you can have a boom with 99% of the world's population shut out.

London hotels for example will die on their arse.

Yep. We (YHA) did really well in our rural sites last summer and are expecting even better this year. The only thing limiting us last year was not being able to fully open for safety reasons. (no dorms, not all rooms open, some sites not suitable other than renting the whole place) The city hostels though had a shocker, especially the London ones. A few got repurposed, but the ones that we tried to reopen were a waste of time, except maybe Liverpool at weekends

[Hannibal Schmitt]

8 minutes ago, steviewevie said:

I think they will need stricter lockdowns in europe if uk variant starts spreading there significantly.

At the moment its more we open up with many restrictions and see what happens next, and if thats

not working with the UK variant we have the next maybe even stricter lockdown. problem will be that

people are already rather tired of the lockdowns and they don't take them serious any more - it would

be a massive jump to stricter ones as there is too much opposition, not only economical ones.

[BobWillis]

13 minutes ago, Fuzzy Afro said:

Schools are only open for those who genuinely really need to be there (Closing them altogether would mean millions of key workers having to take time off work to be with their kids) 

That’s just not true. The definition of key worker has changed since lockdown 1. I wouldn’t class a McDonald’s employee as a key worker but they are in this lockdown. 
In lockdown 1 you needed both parents to be (real) key workers to be in school and numbers were really low. Between single figures and 30/40 for most schools I know of. This time around you only need 1 parent as a (not so) key worker and numbers are far, far higher, some schools are 2/3’s full. 
Some inner city schools are as empty as last time for obvious reasons but they are few and far between. 

[eFestivals]

5 minutes ago, philipsteak said:

Yep. We (YHA) did really well in our rural sites last summer and are expecting even better this year. The only thing limiting us last year was not being able to fully open for safety reasons. (no dorms, not all rooms open, some sites not suitable other than renting the whole place) The city hostels though had a shocker, especially the London ones. A few got repurposed, but the ones that we tried to reopen were a waste of time, except maybe Liverpool at weekends

yeah, but nothing much was open in cities last summer.

That might not be the case this summer, plus this summer more people will be more prepared to go on holiday.

[xxialac]

11 minutes ago, philipsteak said:

Yep. We (YHA) did really well in our rural sites last summer and are expecting even better this year. The only thing limiting us last year was not being able to fully open for safety reasons. (no dorms, not all rooms open, some sites not suitable other than renting the whole place) The city hostels though had a shocker, especially the London ones. A few got repurposed, but the ones that we tried to reopen were a waste of time, except maybe Liverpool at weekends

Exactly. 

Some will win. 
Some will lose.

And places like Italy and Spain will just about cope as EU borders will be open and more domestic tourism than normal.

Edited February 2, 2021 by xxialac

[stuartbert two hats]

48 minutes ago, duke88 said:

They have lots of proper medics and doctors in the army! I've seen army doctors working in hospitals in normal times.

And that's the problem - military medics aren't some extra reserve we can call on, separate to the NHS doctors+nurses.  Most of them are already treating COVID patients.  The military assistance we can draw on is mainly logistical.

[duke88]

1 minute ago, BobWillis said:

That’s just not true. The definition of key worker has changed since lockdown 1. I wouldn’t class a McDonald’s employee as a key worker but they are in this lockdown. 
In lockdown 1 you needed both parents to be (real) key workers to be in school and numbers were really low. Between single figures and 30/40 for most schools I know of. This time around you only need 1 parent as a (not so) key worker and numbers are far, far higher, some schools are 2/3’s full. 
Some inner city schools are as empty as last time for obvious reasons but they are few and far between. 

My daughter's school has had to stop taking kids as it has too many going in. They had 15 children in during the last lockdown, over 100 this time. 

[eFestivals]

2 minutes ago, xxialac said:

Exactly. 

Some will win. 
Some will lose.

UK will be a big win overall same as it was last summer, because more UK-ers normally holiday abroad than foreigners come to the UK.

 

2 minutes ago, xxialac said:

And places like Italy and Spain will cope as EU borders will be open and more domestic tourism than normal.

they'll 'cope' but their numbers will be down overall.

[eFestivals]

4 minutes ago, stuartbert two hats said:

military medics aren't some extra reserve we can call on

correct.

They normally treat patients who would otherwise be treated by NHS staff.

If the military medics are redeployed to the NHS, the workload they normally treat is transferred too.

There is no net gain to be had here.

Edited February 2, 2021 by eFestivals

[steviewevie]

Covid mortality down dramatically since start of pandemic, study finds

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/feb/02/covid-mortality-down-dramatically-since-start-of-pandemic-study-finds

[Ozanne]

30 minutes ago, Chef said:

 

 

 

Sorry to sound dumb but what does this mean?

[Ryan1984]

16 minutes ago, eFestivals said:

When the Cambridge Hospital in Aldershot (I'm pretty sure the main Army Hospital) was being run down for closure (closed in 1996, I've just looked it up) they started moving the Docs and others to work at (NHS) Frimley Park Hospital. That was sometime around 1990. They then (mostly?) moved the Army medics to the big new Birmingham NHS hospital as their main location. I think they might have got spread around bit more since then, probably to the nearest hospital to the various army bases. I noticed on a drive thru Aldershot recently that the Army nurses training place is closed too (no idea when, could be decades).

I guess things are similar for RAF and Navy, but I'm not familiar with them.

Main point is, tho, that the numbers of docs & medics are proportionate to the size of the forces. The forces are waaaay smaller than they were even 10 years ago.

We’ve lost a lot of the army personnel here in Aldershot but there are still some around (as an aside, the Cambridge is being converted into luxury flats). I know they are still here as I run past the barracks and the soldiers are still out doing their drills etc.

Last couple of times people I know have been in Frimley Park hospital, they’ve been treated by a mixture of NHS and army nurses.

[hillwalker]

Just now, Ozanne said:

Sorry to sound dumb but what does this mean?

That the kent strain is developing a mutation similar to the Brazilian one whereby the spike protein is altered. I think

[steviewevie]

9 minutes ago, Ozanne said:

Sorry to sound dumb but what does this mean?

read the whole thread...there is a quasi British Brazilian variant...