When will this shit end?

[Crazyfool01]

11 minutes ago, Ozanne said:

It’s very possible that a full on reopening like we are going to have will do the opposite and turn more people away due to lack of restrictions/high prevalence of the virus. Especially when you combine it with government support ending, it could end up being worse for businesses.  

oh and the app pinging away like mad because of high virus prevelance isnt great either .... the whole thing is a complete mess 

[RobertProsineckisLighter]

These last few pages have been really interesting reading thanks everyone. 

What I don't understand is why so many see it as 0 or 1. 

I had my second jab on Wednesday and for the next few weeks I'm going to be sensible, yes the pubs are open and I can do as I wish but you know what I can live without being in a busy pub if I want - I'll just got Thursday evening instead of Saturday or whatever. 

After three weeks when I'm fully charged I will I'm sure be less wary, in fact the Friday after being fully charged I'm doing a pub crawl along the Hope Valley line. 

I'm not being wary for the next few weeks because I'm scared of the virus but because I don't want to make myself feel shitter than I need to. Aknowledge at somepoint I'm going to catch this virus and I'm going to feel shitty, so let's do a few simple things to increase the chance of the shittyness being kept to a minimum - like you do with hangovers! 

 

[sjseabass]

28 minutes ago, crazyfool1 said:

Any of them vulnerable ? Or have vulnerable dependants ? Maybe those categories don’t tend to do festivals anyway ? Next time you talk to someone in one of those categories ask them if they would be happy to to go to a nightclub at the moment … Of course there’s a shit load of pent up demand people have been cooped up for ages and that will obviously manifest itself in packed events as we start opening … it needs to be maintained with others being happy to integrate too 

I’m considered to be clinically vulnerable as I’m on immunosuppressant medication for Crohn’s disease. I can’t wait to get back to clubbing and festivals and I have two booked for next week. I’m double jabbed so (broadly) as safe as I’ll ever be.

[stuie]

22 minutes ago, steviewevie said:

People on here constantly thinking that everyone must think the same as them and their friends.

No one said that did they. 

[Crazyfool01]

23 minutes ago, stuie said:

Yes, two would be classed as vulnerable - but vaccinated! 

ok so ill give myself and an efest friend as an example ... maybe we are unique but I doubt it ..... And I know the vaccines do an incredible job so no disputing that .... Me 45  ... isolating during the first pandemic as im sure people already know ... ive not regained full confidence to return to everything I was doing pre pandemic  , Im slowly easing back to things but im not spending like I used to ... packed clubs are a step to far at the moment . My friend on here extremely vulnerable imunocompomised daughter hasnt been back to any gigs or watched any football because he tries to lower risk for his daughter . 

[Crazyfool01]

8 minutes ago, sjseabass said:

I’m considered to be clinically vulnerable as I’m on immunosuppressant medication for Crohn’s disease. I can’t wait to get back to clubbing and festivals and I have two booked for next week. I’m double jabbed so (broadly) as safe as I’ll ever be.

fantastic im glad you've made that decision ... not everyone has quite yet is my point 

[Plateletboy]

15 minutes ago, kalifire said:

Interesting. So what would be your suggestion for how this should play out? 

we keep vaccinating (the response is polyclonal so there are still antibodies able to neutralise mutant viruses), we keep being sensible over how many contacts we make and especially where we meet (not too many indoors), and we wait for everyone to eventually have caught the virus leaving a non-naive population.

Everyone HAS to catch this at some point - it is endemic and it is not going away. Even the vaccinated need to catch this. In fact better anyone who is DV'd to catch the delta variant now while they full of neutralising Abs and T cells ready to pounce, meaning they get a mild (cold-like) illness.

Downside to this that overspill into non-vaccinated and vulnerable populations will inevitably cause death.

Basically, it's shit sandwich without the bread...

[sadimmock]

59 minutes ago, crazyfool1 said:

Not a fair example to use I’d say … Glastonbury is unique in the fact it is massively oversubscribed so a drop off of a portion of those would likely make no difference … as it would still sell out … you might get a few not so confident seeking refunds though 

This leads onto something that I have been thinking for a few weeks now... How popular is Glastonbury really? Obviously it sells out every year, but how large is the devoted fanbase and how many tickets go to bucket-listers or casuals? The (perceived) poor sales of the livestream, the availability of the camping this year and the mountains of the 50th Anniversary books I've seen in discount shops suggests to me that the hard core fanbase may not be as big as we think it is.

I think that there is a real risk to the festival in 2023/24. How many of the hardcore who didn't get tickets in 2020 will have moved on? Will the once and done crowd still be as big when a couple of year groups may have not got into the habit of going to festivals. 

I don't think that it will be a disaster (immediately) but demand may soften over the next 3-5 years.

 

 

 

[Crazyfool01]

3 minutes ago, Barry Fish said:

I would imagine the safest place for people like your friend is to stay home right now.  In fact - there is an argument the quicker to get this over and done - by opening up and mixing - the safer his daughter will be and the shorter the period of isolation surely ? 

quite possibly ... although he still has to work 

[BobWillis2]

6 minutes ago, sadimmock said:

 Will the once and done crowd .

 

 

 

Is this a thing? 
 

How can anybody go to Glastonbury and then say “Let’s not do that again, let’s go to Leeds festival next year instead” 

 

Surely once you’ve been to Glastonbury you realise that you aren’t getting value for money at the other major festivals. 

[sadimmock]

1 minute ago, BobWillis2 said:

Is this a thing? 
 

How can anybody go to Glastonbury and then say “Let’s not do that again, let’s go to Leeds festival next year instead” 

 

Surely once you’ve been to Glastonbury you realise that you aren’t getting value for money at the other major festivals. 

You would have thought so wouldn’t you? I have never not wanted to go back but apparently a lot of people do only do it once or a few times… 

[Havors]

2 hours ago, Nobody Interesting said:

Havors - aka 'I'm alright Jack' who thinks people who are not him are irrelevant.

Selfish, thoughtless and generally spiteful.

Too many of that sort around - and a fair few on here.

Oh now your going ad hominem!? brilliant! ... totally ignorant. 

Tell me how you determine you know me and that im selfish thoughtless and spiteful??? If you cant prove that then I expect an apology. I will be waiting. Cheers.

[BobWillis2]

2 minutes ago, Barry Fish said:

 

I come back to the point - the number of people in your mates position are extremely small and they have faced these issues pre-2020.  This isn't new to him - the risks and stakes have always been high.  I don't think its fair or reasonable for continued lockdown of society in the name of so very few people.

I keep wondering this when I see immunocompromised people mentioned. What did they do before covid? Particularly in winter and especially during bad flu seasons? 
 

I don’t know anybody that suffers with this so it’s a genuine question borne out of ignorance. 
 

[efcfanwirral]

5 minutes ago, BobWillis2 said:

Is this a thing? 
 

How can anybody go to Glastonbury and then say “Let’s not do that again, let’s go to Leeds festival next year instead” 

 

Surely once you’ve been to Glastonbury you realise that you aren’t getting value for money at the other major festivals. 

Yeah for me other festivals are an added bonus - and for me a lot of the time are about the music only, whereas glastonbury has so much more than that plus clashes plus distance making it hard or unappealing to see everyone you want. I usually do glastonbury alongside the best lineup for me where I can watch 8 or 9 bands per day and do nothing else

The idea of not going to glastonbury when it's on makes me feel very upset!

[Havors]

1 minute ago, Barry Fish said:

I used to go VFestival...  Went many times...  Then did Glastonbury and never went to anywhere but Glastonbury.

I don't know how you go back 😛 

me too haha! many times! The only way back to a normal festival is if its as well as Glastonbury or Glastonbury is not on. Latitude on wednesday with Oxfam, cant wait! 

[efcfanwirral]

7 minutes ago, Barry Fish said:

I used to go VFestival...  Went many times...  Then did Glastonbury and never went to anywhere but Glastonbury.

I don't know how you go back 😛 

Experience not so great but the lineups were amazing at times. Got to see so much over one weekend and also quite a lot of variety and random pop acts you wouldn't normally go to. I loved V 

[squirrelarmy]

1 hour ago, gooner1990 said:

My work have just sent an email round saying that despite restrictions being lifted from Monday face masks and social distancing will still apply when on the premises.

 

Had a similar email from my work. Masks will be optional from Monday. Those who are more vulnerable can request extra precautions if required. 

[efcfanwirral]

9 minutes ago, Havors said:

me too haha! many times! The only way back to a normal festival is if its as well as Glastonbury or Glastonbury is not on. Latitude on wednesday with Oxfam, cant wait! 

I think missing out on Glastonbury too - we've got Muse in Mallorca in mind for if we're unsuccessful in the resale(s) - that's Glastonbury Friday so a full escape if possible 

Edited July 16, 2021 by efcfanwirral

[DeanoL]

2 hours ago, Barry Fish said:

The vaccine reduces the illness to something more like a cold for the vast majority.

You don't walk around fearing measles do you ?

You are either trolling or being intentionally ignorant of the point.

If there was a measles outbreak and I had a much higher chance of getting measles for the next month or so, yeah I'd probably avoid people a bit until the wave had gone away. I mean, in the old times I regularly travelled to London for work - when I was going to be going on holiday I'd try and avoid as much as I could having to go in the week before because I didn't want to catch a cold on the tube and have it ruin the first half of my holiday.

Maybe you never think about stuff like that but plenty of us do!

1 hour ago, BobWillis2 said:

Of course and that’s fine. Everyone is free to go at their own pace. 
Deanos confirmation bias that everything not sold out and every pub not full means that lots of people must feel the same way as him and be too nervous to go out is bullshit. 

It might be confirmation bias still, but the polls coming out over the past week about how comfortable people are and how many want to keep masks seems to suggest that there's a lot more people like me and a lot less like you than we both thought, to be honest. I'd always personally thought the mask vs no mask split would be like 30-70 in favour of no maskers, I was amazed at the poll that put it the other way around. Even if that poll is well off the mark, it's certainly not some tiny <10% majority that have concerns.

1 hour ago, Barry Fish said:

You really don't know to what extent thay will be true  

None of the sporting events have struggled at all

Silverstone for example is sold out mostly 

We definitely won't know for certain until we start getting reports on pub and shop numbers over the next few weeks. Going to be interesting for sure. I thought the amount of hesitant people would be low but significant, but signs are suggesting it'll be much higher. I'm not saying I was right all along - I'm thinking now I was wrong. I underestimated it.

1 hour ago, Barry Fish said:

You don't see a return by living in and stoking fear.  Release the restrictions and let the market find a level and grow from that point.  Imposing shit on top of everyone and everything doesn't allow a return to normal.

But that's exactly what they've done! And the market have said to their venues "we're uncomfortable, we'd rather people still wore masks" or "we'd rather you kept table service and distancing". That's the market sorting itself out. Pubs aren't choosing to keep this stuff because they think it might be fun. It's because they've spoken to customers, they've done surveys, and they've made the calculation it'll be more profitable one way or the other.

I'm sure there might be one or two making a choice out of strongly held personal beliefs one way or another, but the vast majority will be making a choice based on "how do I make the most money?"

[efcfanwirral]

3 minutes ago, Barry Fish said:

Yeah it didn't get a fair rep really.  Some of the customers could be a bit scummy but nothing more than you see on the average night out.  As you say the line ups where great.

Highlight was We Come 1 by Faithless - will never forget that night 😄 

Up until the last few years the crowd was nothing compared to what I saw at Leeds Festival! 

Which year was that? I did 04 to 15, missed just 07. Muse headlining my first festival in 04 was special for me, as was seeing oasis for the first time in 05. And radiohead's greatest hits set in 06. 

[BobWillis2]

15 minutes ago, DeanoL said:

It might be confirmation bias still, but the polls coming out over the past week about how comfortable people are and how many want to keep masks seems to suggest that there's a lot more people like me and a lot less like you than we both thought, to be honest. I'd always personally thought the mask vs no mask split would be like 30-70 in favour of no maskers, I was amazed at the poll that put it the other way around. Even if that poll is well off the mark, it's certainly not some tiny <10% majority that have concerns.

 

I’ve not said it’s <10% to my knowledge. I certainly don’t think it’s as high as polls suggest. Polls are easily skewed based on the types of people that are asked and the avenues used to connect with those people. 

Most people I interact with on a daily basis (from all ages and walks of life) are happy to go back to normal and do away with social distancing and masks, that’s also some confirmation bias if you like but I can only base my expectations by what I see and hear out in the real world. 
 

Time will tell who is right and who is wrong but the examples you gave are certainly not indicative of people’s fears or hesitations. Not everything is black and white. 

 

[Matt42]

Going to put this out there… do you think there will be measures / guidance in place going forward for people with extreme vulnerability to COVID? For example permanent WFH / a sort of reverse of a COVID passport… almost a new disability going forward for those who need it?

What is becoming apparent is that a very small number of people (as they share it) are probably unable to ever go back into society again by the levels of vulnerability being shared at the moment. Because if we did remain locked down to cater to people like this we’d be in a lockdown forever?

 

[stuartbert two hats]

3 hours ago, Havors said:

 

Northwest and Yorkshire... (the first hit by Delta I think) are likely going to peak very soon and drop. Barring any spike from the semis/final of the Euros. 

Or if something else happens, like dropping all restrictions on Monday...

[Havors]

1 minute ago, Matt42 said:

Going to put this out there… do you think there will be measures / guidance in place going forward for people with extreme vulnerability to COVID? For example permanent WFH / a sort of reverse of a COVID passport… almost a new disability going forward for those who need it?

What is becoming apparent is that a very small number of people (as they share it) are probably unable to ever go back into society again by the levels of vulnerability being shared at the moment. Because if we did remain locked down to cater to people like this we’d be in a lockdown forever?

 

Makes me sick that shit. Even if you dont agree and you think she is being overly cautious where the fuck do people get off mocking her? If she wants to do whatever she wants to do then leave her to it. 

Arseholes. Just like the ones on the opposite side of the debate. 

As for special dispensation for clinically vulnerable I think it would be a brilliant idea and should be encouraged. 

[stuartbert two hats]

3 hours ago, DeanoL said:

Saw a comedy gig the other night that was offering a choice between regular seating on one side of the room and socially distanced seating on the other. Was a clever approach.

(And my name is in my username and I don't think there's many UK enthusiasts with the same first name...)

To be honest, that sounds a bit like smoking and non-smoking areas.